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He received no clemency from Sir Patrick, who employed every device of the skilled cross-examiner in a sustained effort to show that Inspector Collins's main object fa questioning as Savidge was to DIVERTING DUEL WITH K.C. clear the two policemen who bad arrested her and Sir Leo Money in Hyde Park.
SHREWD REPLIES AMUSE
TRIBUNAL.
POLICE CASE OPENED.
[BY, B. & CORDELL.]
LONDON, June 8th. Miss Irene Savidge, the pretty lite blonde with the Cockney accent, has proved themelt a re- markably good witness.
For five hours and a half she ant in the witness-box answering ques- tions from counsel and from mom- bers of the tribunal which is in quiring at the Law Courts into the method of her examination at Scotland Yard, and not once was she at a loss for at apt answer.
This young factory girl's duel with Mr. Norman Birkett, EC., was one of the most. thrilling ne it was one of the most diverting cross-examinations I have heard during a long experience.
Alis Savidge as she sat in the witness-box, playing with the atop per of a bottle of smelling suits, or demurely resting her chin on her hande, auggested a white and gold butterfly but a butterfly with sting. Not a strong girl, she was obviously worn and weary towards the end of her examination, and when she had answered the last question and left the court she had an attack of hysteria followed by a fainting ft.
Mr. Birkett changed his tactics somewhat when he resumed his cross-examination yesterday morn- ing. He almost cooed questions at Mise Savidge.
Under his softened manner, Miss Savidge became more confident, almost pert, but while she had the court ringing with laughter she never emiled. Her replies were not witty; they were delightfully-in- geguons, and Mr. Birkett himself joined heartily in the laughter abe raised at his expense.
The quaint quality of her replies was emphasised by her accent. Many of these replies were very shrewd.
JULY 4th, 1928.
Mr. Birkett: Is that an extra: ordinary length of time for a state- ment to take in an important case
No, quite a modest time.
Look bare, Misa Savidge, we have.. She any you opened with this, you here to tell us the truth, and if you don't both you and Sir Leo will auffer dearly. Is there a word of truth in that-No.
Did you call her Irene-I may
have.
Did you call her Marjorie -No. Did she appear to resent being called Irene I think she liked it.
Miss Savidge sat with her father and mother near the witness-box, and closely followed the inspector's version of the interview, - The aurchem of Sir Patrick Hastings caused laughter, but the atmosphere was more tenes than it had been during the previqua two days. (Laughter.)
No sooner had the tribunal resumed than Mr. Norman Birkett, KC, for Scotland Yard, struck a solemn note in a well-reasoned speech.
Remarking on the allegation that attack he said, "The liberty of the liberty of the subject had been the sub depends on the efficiency to the ice by citizens in every of the ice and the support given walk of life."
He declared that there had been a grave misunderstanding of what the true position was, "How easily you can get facts out of their true proportion," he said
·
Bir Patrick's Suggestion, of Miss Savidge had been advised He insisted that the interrogation
tians, Sir Archibald Bodkin, and by the Director of Public Prosecu- conducted Collins strictly according to the by Chief Inspector custom ruling in other interroga- tons of witnesses Yard.
at Scotland
Sir Patrick Hastings endeavour- ed to extract an admission from the inspector that he would not have wished's daughter of his own to submit to questions of the nature of some put to Miss Savidge.
The inspector replied that he had advantage of Miss Savidge in any never tried consciously to take ay and remarked that in the course of his duty he had asked many women much more delicate questions than be had put to her.
INSPECTOR COLLINS.
STORY OF SPOON AND SMOKING INCIDENTS.
Chief Inspector Collins was then
eslied.
You were prying to put her at her ease Yes, I wanted to make her feel at home.
The Spoon, Describing the tea incident Chief Inspector Collins said the tea was Miss Savidge was sitting and the placed at the side of the table where offered to pour it out. As she was handing over the cups she said, There is only one spoon." I aik more, but Miss Savidge said ed Clarke to telephone for two Don't bother," and Clarke said, We will use the one spoon.” Is there anything else in that little incident-No, it is such a simple, silly thing. It was simply would use the same spoon. sa observation by Clarke that we
wise, Irene will spoor with me"! Did you say jocularly or other- No.
He said he discussed with Miss Savidge at tea hon work, wireless, in which be was interested. ed I took mine out and offered About cigarette-what happen- Clarke one. my cigarettes back when Miss
I was about to put! Savidge asked if she might have one. I said, Do you really smoke" and she said, "Oh, yes, Did you or Sergeant Clarke press and my mother amokes." her to have a cigaretta 1-No.
Did you ask her about clothes -I asked her whether Sir Leo had ever made ben presents of money or clothes. She answered no, but he had made her other presents.
Dlothes Incident.
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Dalicate Questions.
ask her some very delicate ques Did you say you were going to
tions and it would be better if ber brother was not in the room No.
case it would be better if her, Did her brother say that in that mother were present 2-No...
Did you say rather than that you would prefer to have the brother there 1-No
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Was daything said about the length of her clothes 1-I asked if she would describe the clothing she gard. She told me in effect that will willingly talk to two policeman was wearing on the night of the
Do you tell me that a girl of 92 she was wearing a light fawn frock, She stood up, put her hands down about the length of her petticoats than this one; it came up above girl. Do you seriously tell me that in front of her, and said, "Shorter am speaking of a respectable my knees when I sat down." She the discussion you had with Miss said she was wearing a black or a Savidge is the sort of thing to which blue satin jacket and stockings and a girl would not object? Yes. MackintoshŰ BOL ailk petticoat." " to her, "You are really a good Miss Savidge says that you said
He said he had 3 years' service You see what it says there in 1002 He was promoted to de and was appointed to the C.I.D. don't you?" the inquired of Mr.tective-sergeant in 1904, in 1918 be Birkett as like a schoolgirl reading became detective-inspector and was from a school book she read 4 sent to New Scotland Yard, and made at Scotland Yard, "Well, it until 1920 was on special duty for shoes and either a light or a pink contradicts itself. Inspector Col- the War Office. fins made me think I could not
extract from the statement she
remember."
"Sir, Leo was in the habit of embracing me. He would, kiss me and generally show affection to wards me,' quoted Mr. Norman Birkett.
That is wrong," said Miss Savidge, placing the tip of her forefinger against her mouth. "In-
see
us Savidge, to go into the Archibald instructed me to
and Sir Leo, and obtain a state-girl You have never had a man acquaintanceship of Max Savidge ment in regard to her young man, he said. "I was instructed to see her young man if necessary.
Miss Bavidge Willing.
Mr. Birkett: When did you first see Miss Savidge-A few minutes
Yard.
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spector Collins rattled into me with after three o'clock at Scotlandtions that you touched her in any would be. ggom bullying —That' if only called her that once or twice,
his suggestions."'
Which window were you stand- ing at?" inquired counsel
There is only one window in the "room," replied Miss Savidge.
"Which one was it?" asked counsel, inspecting a plan,
She was then is the Chief Co-Way-I deny it absolutely. stable's roon, where the interrogs-her-Not then. The only time was Did you more your chair towards tion took place 1-Yes,
the end of the table when I had when I moyed my chair to sit at
41
Did she ever protest about any thing to you ?—No,
Did she by her appearanes at any time suggest any protest 1-Never. From the start until the end what
tex.
Miss Savidge raised her blue
helpless gesture that provoked & would you say was her general do see my young man ?" He said, "If your hand on her knee. pyes to the tribunal and made & roar of laughter.
are
meanour and bearing 1-She wa
Would
Gitle Bhors: Olothes.
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I suggest that your conduct was
Do you think you would have groes bullying and that you never gave this girl a chance 1-No. - been allowed to ask such questions have you? But there are several if her mother had been in the things one can do without sinning.room-Quite possible. There are Do not be afraid to tell us, we are many mothers who permit their looking after you"-That is ab daughters to be interviewed by solutely untrue.
police officers in their absence. They do not desire to be present. allegation as, You never had a man
Do you agree that such a ques-her Irene 1-I cannot recollect. I When did you first begin to call
What right if you thought she of putting to anyone. It is most others to call her by her Christian the sort of thing I would not dream was a respectable girl had you two
and talking her to stand up. Do improper.
As to the length of her petticoats was not respectable.
same did not think that she'
To the car on the way home Miss you think that would be grossly imput her at her ease.
What right had you to do it ?—To Savidge asked, "Are you going to proper 1-Yes
And to sit beside her and to put "I suggest that you told the very self-possessed, very cheerful has forgiven me, I did not tell him
don't think I will."
She said,
It would have been most un- am glad of that. Although he that be grossly improper 1-Yea pleasant for two men to have asked officers voluntarily that you wore and quite normal.
Identical Words.
this girl" a lot of questions about a pink petticoat?" said counsel.
what happened between Bir. Leo "Quite All Right;" "And I suggest that you
the length and colour of her Don't you think that it would clothes From the point of view of and myself. I have acted vary/have been better if there had been wrong," retorted Miss Savidge.
Was there any time during whichdirty towards him.
someone present to see that no im-
a police officer, no.: 1 havą, asked, "They asked me about every arti-she appeared frightened or dis
When they arrived at Mias proper questions were asked many women much more deseats cle of dress,"
tressed 1-No.
Savidge's home she said to her view of what has happened, I think
questions than that. When Miss Savidge declared that to me, in the presence of Miss
Did Miss Vybes speak 1-She said mother:
it would have been better.
Why should'the' stand up 7-She she was "fed ap with the ex-
Mother, they have treated me Six
stood up quite voluntarily, and amination at Scotland Yard, Mr. stay unless Mies Baridge will be
Savidge,
Patrick "You will want me to very kindly."
asked Inspector showed me that her best frock was Collins whether he suggested to shorter than the one she was wear- THE HONG KONG ELECTRIC CO.'8 SHOWROOM. protested to Chief Inspector Cal-Savidge smilingly said, "I shall said, "She is a good girl, and I said she was about to be engaged
Birkett thought she could have all right without met Miss that -Absolutely. The mother
Mr. Birkett: You are sure of Miss Savidge that she was engaged ing line:
Inspector Collins: Miss Bavidge Is this right"
Why on earth should she do it?—- "Since then I have thought of
be all right.".
am sorry she is mixed up in this
Because I asked her, what sort of Did she say she was nearer being clothing she was wearing, and she affair.” several things I ought to have said, ahe replied tartly.
married than engaged -She might id that the frock was shorter than Mr. Birkett: Have you con-have said that. Did you ask Miss Wylee's opinionsciously been guilty of any oppres "You had a good tea," suggest of Miss Savidget-Yes; she said sion to Miss Savidge --No.
the one she had on and when she Why were the police making in-sat down it came over her knees. ed counsel.
she was well balanced and able to
quiries about her young man 7-In Have you consciously tried to taking a statement it is the prac take care of herself."
Did she tell you she had a pink take any unfair advantage of hert tice to get every detail you can.
petticoat-Yes, Why should she be badgered about her young man 1-This was
entitled to make all the inquiries an inquiry about the conduct of two police officers, and the police were
Am I right that the Public Pro- she had met Sir Leo as a casual pick up "--No. It was one of the points to be inquired into.
Þið you ask whether Sir, Leo had Was that to suggest that she was a girl of bad character-suggest- ed nothing,
How would it prove that a police- toan committed perjury because she had a present of clothes?-Under the heading Terms of friendship Bank and, association ? it is important. Visit To Miss Egan,
Did you suggest she had a nice lot Did you go to Miss Egan's of clothes in the course of ordi. houset--Yes, with Sergeant Chammary conversation. bers,
De got call it ordinary convers. I suggest that
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It has been suggested that Miss-No. Wyles was employed to get Miss Savidge to Scotland Yard and then CROSS-EXAMINATION. "You put things in such a funny alone with the girl. Is there any ing Miss Savidge, began his cross- dismissed so that you might be left Sir Patrick Hastings, represent way," was another of her com-truth in tant None whatever.
examination of Chief Inspector
ments.
upon
"Very Bold. No one asked her and no one cared 7-No, and she was very bold. in doing it.
Do you mean she was behaving improperly-No, in her anxiety to tell me how she was dressed I say
me that the officers were mistaken.
I suggest your main object was to clear these officers, whom you thought innocent1-It has been my unfortunate duty to inquire into the conduct of officers before and they have been punished. My ming was ampartial
Asked by Mr. Lees-Smith (a What was generally the manner Collins by asking if he did not. they could. member of the tribunal) it Chief of the interrogation?—I would ask agree that on May 2nd Miss secutor had rather" suggested that she was bold -in order to impresS . Inspector Collins questioned her in some explanation, and I would die most, loathsome.
her a question and she would make Savidge, was ge.” katan the manner of Sir Patrick Hastings tate the answer to Bengeant Clarke. (her own counsel) or in the man-
Chief Inspector Collins: Yes... He would write it down, using as
Sir Patrick: Such a charge was after gravely inspecting the two
likely to have a most terrifying K.C., replied, "It was a mixture as to get the true case. of the two. But he did not keep statement to your knowledge which
Did anything at all go into the Yes.
ner of Mr. Birkett, Miss Savidge, far as posaible her own words so effect upon a girl' of her age given her money or clothes 7-Yea
at me like Mr. Birkett."
Does it strike you as likely that Miss Savidge had a friendly con-was not spoken by you in the hear-2. Birl of her age, going through versation with Mr. Lee-Smithing of Mia Savidge-Not a word, the terrifying experience she did, who informed her, that he was not Was it always possible to write is suddenly without warning going a lawyer, and to him she admitted the sentences immediately she mid to be taken to Scotland Yard with that on the whole the two officers them-Not always, because they out being again terrified I don't of Scotland Yard were quite friend-were not always grammatical.
think so. ly, and she was not frightened..
Were there times when she ap peared to be in doubt and correct-1 ed herself i-Yes,
CASE FOR THE POLICE.
INSPECTOR COLLINS'S
DENIALS
Threats Dented attitude or thrests towards her
Did you exervim say threatening Not at any time.
you
Did you exercise blandishments so Chief Inspector Collins, white that he might say things which haired, soft-voiced, denied the - would suit you 1 No. Judg charges made by Miss Irene Inspector Collins said they start-examke Miss Egan without a Was it not merely to suggest that Savidge,
ed at about 3.10 p.m. and the state single friend being present, exact she was a street walker |--No, He is an officer of 32 years' ex-mont was concluded and signedly you examined Miss Savidge! perience who on 93 occasions has about 6.4 or 6,6. He was inter- |--No. been complimented by judges, and rupted aias on ten Latoes, the in Did Miss Egan say that unless who hitherto has never had a com terruptions pccupying about 40 her brother could be in the room Miss plaint made against him by police | minutes in all. The examination she would not answer-Her No. or public.
occupied about three hours:
brother was there at her request.
Christian Hames.
ld you not think at any time
Bayidge was getting tired (Continued on next Column).
Really She Was Helpful." Questioned regarding the alleged demonstration of how she and Sir Leo were sitting, the inspector denied tans he touched Min Savidge, and added, "If wond be a most improper way behave, especially in front of a junior officer,
can only by it die wat happen. It must have been a deliberate lie it Miss Savidge said it happened 1 Did she volunteer the statement
about kimg1–She did.
Without being asked!-Yas
Sir Patrick Oh, Inspector, real- ly she was helpfull
Inspector Collins': Very.
Sir Patrick She anticipated your wishes No.
That would have been most help ful for the policeNo, I don't
know that it would.