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HONGKONG LEGISLATIVE
COUNCIL.
SANITARY
BOARD'S POWERS
CONTROL.
「*1
OF
FOOD, FLIES AND MOSQUITOES.
PROPOSED BOARD OF HEALTH
GOVERNMENT'S CASE „FOR DECLINING TO ACCEPT THE PROPOSAL.
A meeting of the Hongkong Legislative Council was held in the Council Chamber yesterday afternoon. Present:"-
The
The Attorney General (Hon Mr. J. H
KEMP, K.C., C.BE). The Colonial Treasurer (Hon. Mr. D. W.
TBATMAN)
Hon HT CREASY (Director
Public Works).
"
of
for
The Hon. Mr. Horoas interjected a newspapers. I could quote instances frona remark which was not audible at the my own experience. but I will not take Press table,
up the time of the Council. Hon. COLONIAL SECRETARY: Coming newber who represents the Justices of the A further point made by the hon, mem-
Peace was that it is all very well to mako regulations, but it is not altogether satis- factory unless there are inspectors to see that they are complied with.
mover and
Hon" Mr. HousDar: I do not think'
to the question of flies and mosquitoes, a merciful Providence has reduced the fly plague in humid atmospheres like ours to places where there is human manure, In other places they do not exist or are so
I scarcely agree with him. The bearing. few that they can be practically ignored. I believe the hon. member who represents the observation in the application the Justice of Peace is rather an authority thereof. It is not very much good to on fies. Where dies are a nuisance they ask the Government to provide inspectors. can be dealt with under Section 20 and unless the public play their part. If subsection 13 of the Public Health and people instead of writing anonymous Building Ordinance although they are not letters to newspapers would take the specially meritioned. If any place is trouble to go round their premises and found to be the breeding place of flies see that there are no empty bottles and caused by the accumulation of manure of sarding tins ring about with pools of some sort, offal, or such matter as lends stagnant water in them there would be itself to the breeding of Bies in abnormal far less cause for complaint. This the nanbers, the Board would treat that as a public must do itself and not leave every The Hon. Mr. ALABASTER: Your Excel common nuisance and of course the Board thing to the Government. I sympathise
has very definite powers in the matter and with the motives of the leney, I beg to second the resolution no person wao allows such a nuisance seconder of the resolution but the appli This resolution is directed to extending to exist in his premises would be allowed cation of the wording of this resolution His Excellency the Govern (Sir R. the area of operation of the present to escape. But the proposer and second is a matter on which I am unable to
Health Department in this Colony.er say that these. powers should be ex- agree with them. STUS, K,C.M.G.),'
When the present Department was form teuded beyond the present limits of the Officer Commanding the Troops ed and constituted as it now in, it was Board. Certainly if we examined various finer argument could possibly be (Colonel CLAUDE BERSKIL BROWN, designed and intended to be used as a villages in the New Territories we should adduced for what the unofficial members D.$.0.)
weapon against plague. Its main object probably find places which, even within have advocated than the reply of the The Colonial Secretary (Hon. Sir CLAED was to attack and destroy the plague mit the boundaries of the territory adminis. Hon. Colonial Secretary that he could
SEVERN, K.B.E., C.M.G).
and the plague rat's flea. In that work tered by the Board, would certainly be see no reason why the conditions which it was not accessary to go outside the considered places which tolerated a uni were admittedly unhygienic should not congested areas of Hongkong, Old Kow-sance and they would dealt with, but be continued
These were not perhaps his rxact words Joon and New Kowloon. "No doubt it was think the inhabitant of these places better in attacking the plague rodent and would be extremely annoyed if body of but they represent the meaning of what its Rea to evefine the area of operations afficials invaded their village and pro-he said. I regret, Sir, that the resolu to a restricted district. In that campaign ceeded to order them to remove heaps of tion appears to be worded in a manner the Department has been entirely suc manure and interfere with what I might which has been open to some misconcep cessful, but there are other campaigns call their intensive methods of cultivation, tien. We asked that the jurisdiction of which are necessary for the Department and I think before these extended opera, the Board and Department should he ex- to undertake and which require a wider tions are demanded the people concerned tended in order that food may be properly area of operations. We have it on should be consulted, Mosquitoes can be controlled and inspected, and that a cam authority of the Principal Medical Officer dealt with in two ways. If they exist in paign against flies and mosquitoes might be properly organised and conducted, to the Garrison that malaria is increasing private premises there are regulations amongst the troops. We hear constant laid down-the book has rather dusty and there was never any idea of impeach- complaints, especially from Peak resi- covers--for dealing with them. There are ing the food control of Hongkong dents, that mosquitoes are getting worse. Feertain bye-laws there which can deal with was to point out to this Council that the powers of the, Sanitary Board ned De We know that these mosquitoes carry persons who allow conditions to exist on most discases which appear in the blood. their premises which lead to the breeding partment do not provide for proper con- We have the anopheles which breed of mosquitoes." On Crown Lands "the trol beyond New Kowloon and certain malaria and we have others which in nuisance is dealt with by the training parts of Yaunti and it is because of this anomaly that we ask for this extension other ways carry yellow fever a disease and draining of nullahs which is exten of its jurisdiction. I have carefully listen- which, up to the present, we have been sively carried out by the Public Works ed to all your Excellency has said about spared. We also know that the mosDepartment on the advice of the Sani- quite can travel six or seven miles from tary Board. The Government is quite keeping down mosquitoes, but above and beyond that, and always behind the its breeding place and therefore in order willing to extend the work in that con Government's responsibility for training The minutes of the last-meeting of the that a proper campaign be undertaken nection as much as is desired, and I do nullahs and stagnant pools which breeds Council were approved and signed.
against mosquitoes it is desirable that not see how any enlargement or exten- them, is no control whatever, and I sub- the area of operation should be. extend- sion of the jurisdiction of the Sanitafy ed. It is also necessary that a tampaign Board can help. The Government is at it that in this matter parts of the New Territory should be brought under the against flies should be undertaken. The present clearing a large area at Mount jurisdiction of the Sanitary Board for that faet that this Council realises that the Kellett. It is also working on "certain
I could point Department was restricted was shown by areas in the island of Hongkong, not in naullahs which are malarious on the Peak the fact that last year you passed the New the hill district but our most difficult at the present moment and directly rés Territories Amendment Ordinance which problem at present in the jurisdiction of ponsible for the breeding of mosquitoes gives power to the Governor in Council the Sanitary Department is Kowloon there. Our object in asking that this to make regulations in regard to any peninsula. Hills have been cut down and resolution should be passed is in no matter on which the Sanitary Department large swamps are being filled up and it sense that we may barry our Chinese have power to make by-laws under the is obvious that with the heavy rainfall friends in the New Territory with regula- Public Health and Buildinga Ordinance. we have had this year pools of stagnant tinns. This point was must thoroughly Improvement in public health is not water are created which cannot be got rid discussed with the Chinese members of effected so much by rules na by inspec. of at once and these pools obviously breed the Council who painted out the difficulty tion, education and supervision: No rules mosquitoes. Every effort is made to den of carrying out regalations in an agricul- that Bies should not be admitted into the with these pools and the thing will right tural district whica are applied to market places of the New Territories will itself as soon as the work is completed. the town and we are not asking that ever keep flies out. We require insper The Government is anxious to do every all the power which obtain in Hongkong tion and education and lotion of thing in its power to deal with these under the Sanitary Board should be special methods to keep fies away, and arena.
Hon. Mr. A. E Woop (Secretary
Chinese Affairs).
Hon.
Mr. E. D. C. WOLFE (Captain Superintendent of Police).
Hon. Mr. P. H, HOLYU
Hon. Mr. H. W. BIRD.
Hon. Mr. H. KOTEWALL_
Hon Mr. CHAU SIC÷XI. Hon. Mr. C. MONTAGUE EDL Hon. Mr.
O.B.E...
0. G. ALABASTER,
Mr. S. B. B. McEDERRY (Clerk
Councils).
MINUTES..
* FINANCE
K.C.,
of
The COLONIAL SECRETARY, by command of H.E. The Governor, laid on the table Financial Minutes Nos 70, 71 and 78 and moved that they be referred to the Finance Committer.
The COLONIAL TREASURER seconded and the motion was agreed to.
The COLONIAL SECRETARY, be command of H.E. The Governor, laid on the table the Report of the Finance Committee (No. 7), and moved that it be adopted.
The Cotos TREASURER seconded, and the motion was agreed to.
PAPERS.
The COLONIAL SECRETARY, be command of HE The Governor, laid on the table the following papers:-
#.
The Merchant Shipping Ordinance, 1899,
Table L, Quarantine Regulations. Order under section 21 of the Rents Ordinance, 1922, on August 21st, 1924 Order under section 24 of the Rents Ordinance, 1922, on August 21st, 1924. Report of the Police Magistrate Courts
for the year 1993, “
SANITARY BOARD - AND DEPARTMENT.
PLEA FOR EXTENSION OF ITS JURISDICTION.
COLONIAL SECRETARY'S REPLY.
purpose.
It
out several
rexpect them to be applied in the crowd-
Department should be extended.
in this connection it would do a great deal As regards the New Territories I am carried out with all the rigour that we of good. For these reasons I beg to sup-sorry to say that the reports we haveed city of Hongkong. We are asking for port the first resolution.
are bad as regards the increase of powers that could be used with discretion. malaria At Shalaukok it is very bad at ye have at the present time
power of present. A new ad is being made in control and for that reason we ask that The Hon. COLONIAL SECRETARY: Your place of the old railway and no doubt the the powers of the Sanitary Board and Excellency, I was not aware when I read cutting down of the banks has created the first resolution exactly what form the pools where mosquitoes bave been breed- speeches of the hon. members who pro-ing, and as a result the police have suf- posed and "seconded, the resolution were fered a great deal from malaria. We going to take. "The actual wording of the have obtained the help of a military off resolution is that it is the opinion of the cer who has made a special study of mos Unofficial Members of the Legislative quitoes and malaria and he is to go out Council that the jurisdiction of the Sani-there and try and improve conditions. tary Board and Department should be The same conditions apply in a lesser extended, firstly, in order that food may degree at other Folice Stations in the New be properly inspected and controlled, and Territories and this officer will give his The Govern secondly, in order that a campaign against attention to them also.
will not neglect any measure to reduce the amount of malaria that exists in | certain places.
E. the Governor, referring to the Hon. Mr. Holyoak's remarks on mosqui toes breeding in nullahs abserved that ing in empty sardine tins than in nullabe. mosquitoes were more addicted to breed- HIS EXCELLENCY, commenting on the form of the resolution, it is the opinion of the unofficial members of the Council," remarked that the other members of the Council could not say it was not.
Hon Mr. HOLYDAK said the Unofficial
Hon. Mr. P. H. HOLYDAK, pursuant to/fies and mosquitoes may be properly or- ment, so far as mosquitoes are concerned, Members foresaw the difficulty of wording
notice previously given, moved the follow- ing resolution:
1-That it is the opinion of the Un- official members of the Legislative Council that the jurisdiction of the Sanitary Board and Department should be extend
(a) in order that food may be properly
inspected and controlled.
ed:-
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ganised and efficiently conducted.
it otherwise, and recognised that the oth cial vote would be against it.
HE. Tur GovEENOU: I take it that the Council agrees that it is the opinion of the Unofficial Members of the Council.
The resolution was passed
PROPOSED BOARD AND DEPART-
P
...
MENT OF PUBLIC HEALTH.
GOVERNMENT DECLINES TO ACCEPT TER
РВОРОЗАТ
Hon. Mr. Hotroak next proposed, pur- suant to notice previously given
a. That it is the opinion of the Un- official Members of the Legislative Coun
Territories. But this is a matter which to have complete analytical and bacterio- I should like to consider further logical control of the water supply of the With regard to the extension of the Colony together with all the powers of jurisdiction of the Sanitary Department the present Banitary Board and Depart over the New Territory, the Colonial ment decretary has pointed out that the views(b) That, the Head of the Board of the Chinese living in the New Territory and Department shall be one with the may not be the same in regard to the sub decessary special qualification in Public ject as those of the inhabitants of the Health
As regards the first part of the resol tion if I had not heard what the speakers had said I should have answered to the
H.E. THE GOVERNOR. first part of the resolution that the food was properly inspected and controlled in HE THE GOVERNOR! I am afraid the Colony at this moment I will deal that, in common with the Colonial Secre with that point for the moment. The tary, I had mistaken, the meaning of answer to the first part of the resolution this resolution. It was understood "that" is that the veterinary surgeon and quali- the "extension of jurisdiction" meant on fed inspectors pass all beef, mution and extension of its powers, to which I was (b) in order that a campaign against pork from the slaughter-houses as fit for going to reply that, if you mention what fies and mosquitoes may be pro-human consumption. They take a great extension you desire I would consider it perly organised and efficiently con deal of trouble over that. So far as food I now find that the desire is that the dacted.
passed from the Government slaughter-extension should be geographical It may houses in concerned, it is perfectly fit for be foolish of me, but this did not enter The Hon. Member said: Sir, It was humma consumption and that meat can into my mind when I read the resolution evident from the moment the President only be sold in the market places set up and I have not paid any attention to of the Sanitary Board somewhat lightly for the purpose, and a few other places that side of the question. If I had I (a) That the constitution of the pre- floated the strong public opinion behind licenced for the purpose. I in pot at all would be inclined to say that it would sent Sanitary Board and Department. Dr. Koch's resolutions at the Banitary Board meeting held on the 19th Augustsure that the hon riembers are familiar be better to restrict than extend the pre-bo enlarged in order that they may func- last, that the matter would not end there with sections and 66 of the Public sent jurisdiction and to have a new Board tion as a Board and Department of Public and must and other representation The Health and Buildings Ordinance. They to deal with Kowloon and the New Health-such now Board and Department resolution which I have proposed, and are very drastic as regards the examina the resolution I intend to propose later tion and passing of food, and the dealing represent the considered opinion of us in any food not fit for human consump ail, and are the natural outcome of that tion. It is hardly possible to strengthen feeling, which has found voice in the theme sections which are based, I be Press and the general public is, I can lieve, on the English law, and if these who have the administration of these seo assure your Excellency, very strongly behind that expression. The resolution Itions administer them properly, I can- now propose asks that the jurisdiction of not believe hon. members can ask for whatever Board and partment survive anything more as regards the proper in more ancient parts of Kowloon Though - The Hon Mr. HOLYOK said: With re do not go all the way with him in regard ference to clause (a) of this resolution. thin debate should be its authority ex-spection and control of food" tended beyond the present limits of New I have only dealt with meat. So far as to what he said in regard to flies I think Sir,scarcely a town of any importance Kowloon There are important markets regards vegetables and other articles of it is possible that we may do more harm in England is there which is not its which have grown up both in Old Kow: food which become unfit for human con- than good by harrying the villagers with Board and Department of Health, yet this loon and in the New Territory which sumption, they come under the inspection restrictions which I think might be Fort, with its great shipping and rast should be made subject to its control and of various officers of the Sanitary Depart considered excessive interference. The trade interests and its population of ap at present, under the Ordinance, escape ment, but if there is any suggestion that villagers have a right to be considered in art 611,000,000 people is controlled, it. This highly important resolution will there is lack of inspection and that dele- these matters and I do not think to from benkth point of view, by a Sani- be more fully dealt with by my honour. terions food is being sold, the Govern would be justified in imposing rules and tary Board which is almost randieval 'in able friend representing the Justices of mant would certainly be prepared to regulations on them without consulting its powers and sphere of action in Pubhe the Peace who, as a member of the Sani- sanction an increase in the number of them first I would propose to ask the Health matters and must wait upon the tary Board, has studied this subject more officers whose duty it is to see that no Chinese members of the Council to confer will of some other Department in connec closely than I can pretend to have done, deleterious food is exposed for isle. I with me and others as to what extent the tion with vital questions affecting Fablin though no one who is familiar with the thought I should probably hear from the rules now in existence in the Sanitary Health instead of being in the position, Philippine Islands and Honolulu can fail proposer, seconder and sponsors of this district of Hongkong and Kowloon my to demaad Lad controlle to have been impressed with the great motion some proposal to make these sec be applied to the New Territories. 5 The Banitary Board originated in 1683, With regard to taosquitoes. I think was enlarged in 1887, but first came into attention which has been paid by our tions of the Ordinance more drastic. "As American friends to the eradication of no suchoposal is put forward I take how members need not pay too much prominence as a Department during the flies, mosquitoes, water purity, the train-it that they acknowledge that the sections attention to what is in the newspapers groat Plague year of 1994 and beyond ing of nullahs, the treatment of stagnant are sufficiently strong When they did as to the work that has been done, in scavenging, has largely bon nedziba at- pools, and the extraordinary improvement speak they spoke of extending the juris malarial countries. In places where I teation to plague, sad te prevention ever." in health conditions which has resulted diction of the Sanitary Department to have had some experience I have noticed since. That baé met with rhK KOLOCAN from it, and the conspicuous, absence of other places. I don't know whether the that successes in this connection are not it has done in this direction is surely n almost all such applied hygieno here. mocer and seconder intended that to infrequently followed after an interval by convincing argument for nding and beg, Sir, to move the resolution."
apply to food.
relapses of which we see nothing in the, sagaenting its bycent powers. Epide