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„JOHN; L THORNYOROFT a 00. LIMITED,
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HONGKONG LEGISLATIVE
AVEN COUNCIL.
THE RENT ORDINANCE.
THE GOVERNOR'S WARNING TO CERTAIN
LANDLORDS.
WANTED: A DEFINITION OF A GODOWN?
GOVERNMENT AND THE TELEPHONE
COMPANY.
The Hon Mr E VD PARK Sir, I The Arroessy GENERAL: Wall, `Sk,. sheuld like to aid my congratulations to there my be, of course, folis of the the Government on having extended this firm-rdinary shop fokis or other fokis, Bill fer another year, as it appears necen and they may not be tenants at all. sary for them to do. The Hon. Attorney They may he salesmen or godown, attende General, la proposing the Bill on the first ants, tally clerks, ou even workers in i reading was at paius to explain that is factory. Might I sny, Sif, it is quite
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frit that the policy of the Ordinance.is ta protret domestic habitation. It is
was not expected that it would be neces sary to extend it beyond the year. is assumed, sir, that the Liovernment will förainfäte” new “scheines for development perfectly true that incidentally is protects buainess "premises of various in the same way that corporations inds which are used both for business. Home do by laying out areas and build.
purposta and, kuman habitation. Thawe Tag-districts, provilling easy and cheap means, of eers, and offering us great, an inducement is possible to builders to erect houses and domestic tenements,
English Act recognises that and it de haitoiy and distinctly: lays down that on the question of alternative recommeda- in the landlord has to show alter- tivo accommodation. The English, Act especially lays down that the Court has to take into account the suitability of th proposed new premises, not only fur hardin habitation but for business, trud- ing or professional purposes. It is un- possible, especially in this Colony, to dla entangle the two things in view of the fact that nearly all Chinese shops are: used for human habitation. The difficulty “ H.E. THE GOVERNon: I think the point abogs excluding godowns is the difficulty. raised by the Hon. Mr. Bird would be of defining a godown. It is suggested by better discussed in Committee when the the Hon. Mr. Bird that this definition should be any workshop, or factory or clause comes up. With regard to the rebuilding, which is used or designed to marka made by the Hon. Mr. Barr, be used for the storage of cargo," bub shop and partly for storage. Is that to be a godown 1..
A meeting of the Legislative Council the Company respectively. This confer. The question seems to be one of supply was held in the Council Chamber yester-ence was recently 'beld, with most satis-and' demand, and ag the demand has up day. There were present:-
factory results. Mr. Cole and Mr. Cook to the present exceeded the supply it HIS EXCELLENCY THE GOVERNOR (8ir were in close agreement'in many rospects, would be interesting to bave some, state REGINALD EDWARD STUBBS, K.O.M.C.), and where they differed they gave full ment from the Government on that Hen. the Officer in temporary Command explanations of the grounds upon which | subject,
of the Troops (Lieut. Colonel W. . they differed: with the consequence that NICHOLSON, C.M.G. D.S.0.).
the Governmet is pois in a position to Hea Mr. CLAUD SEVERN, C.M.G.
(Colonial Secretary).
come to a definite decision as to what are Hon. Mr. J. H. KEXP. C.B.E., K.O. fair terns to offer.
(Attorney-General). :
THE SITUATION IMPROVING.
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Hon. Mr. C. McH MESSER C.B.E. | Government's proposals has not yet been should like to say that, as I made per-you might get a shop need partly as a
(Colonial Treasurer). Hon, Mr. E. B.
HALLIFAX 0.B.E. (Secretary for Chinese Affairs). Hon. Mr. H. A. IRVING (Director of
Education).
Hon. Mr. T L PERKINS (Director of
Public Works)...
Hon. Mr. E. V. I. PARI. Hon. Mr. CROW SHOT-SON.
Hon. Mr. A. O.LANG.
Hon. Mr. A. R. Low
Hon. Mr. H. W. BIRD.
Hon. Mr. No Hoy Tsz."
Mr. A. DYEE BALL (Clerk of Councils).
A
NEW MEMBER
-continue it beyond another year. 1-it is
The Hon. Mr. Brab; That would ant bo designëd as a godown."
The ATTORNEY-GENERAL | af Used or designed to be used "; I can imagine many cases where it would he difficult to say whether the building was designed as
godown or not,
is a real difference between a godown and The Hog. Mr. BIRD: Of course, there a shop ased as a godon.
DIFFICULTY OF A DEFINITION,
The Draft Agreement containing the
placed before the Company. There have. however, been informal discussions re-
fertly dear before this Ordinance was Hartling it, and the Company has been introduced and subsequently, this is a form, of legishition which I wyself regard permitted to advertise the rates proposed.
The under it, on the understanding that the with great distrust and dislike rates will not come ints force until the Government was forced to take action to restrain landlords but it is an offence agreement is signo The agrestrept when signed will be laid upon the table be extremely glad when the time ecmes against good economic doctrine and I shall of this Council. It is not proposed to when we can dispense with such legisla lay any other papers in view of the contion. I hope it will not be necesary to filential nature of much of the informa- tion contained in the correspondence.
The ATTORNEY-GENERAL: It is quite With regard to the latter part of the "essary to do 'se i mirst way I think true that in many instanest it is per we shall have probably, to proceed on
fectly easy to say whether a thing is A Honourable Member's 'question, the Gov-different lines, and if anything of this a gotown or is not a godown; but there na B., white or black, or whether it is
impossible to $3,500,000 would be required to instal an entirely
we shall have to introduce a Fair Rents. That is what makes d new telephone system on Tribunal, a thing we have shrunk from legislation of this kind it is impossible to
Anitions so difcuft to draw up. modern lines; and, if the Government's doing for very obvious reases. It can avoid hardship in particular cases, and terms are such that the existing Com to une from various indications that this impossible to use ouble throughout pany cannot see its way to accept them.
perfectly fair and reasonable
rapidly deteriorating service until 1930, of building is taking place. There is the community must
law will not really be necessary for more The reason I object to the inclusion of contemplate 11 than another your lecause a great amount: godowns in the scope of the Bill is that and thereafter rutes to be charged by ano question, at any rate regarding Eurothat this is a temporary Olinaner which 1 see very great difficulty in defining a godown. There is a further reason; 3.5. new Company, at least as high as those now proposed. It is considered necessary to get a bus now than it was when the other year, and it is desired to make a pean houses, that it is very much cukier may come to an end at the end of aa-
Mr. Ng Hon Ts took the oath and his Froment, is advised that a capital of some nature is to become permanent' I think are many cases, where it
Boat as a member of the Connell.
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MINUTES.
The Minutes of the last rent approved and signed by the President.
BUPERS.
The COLONIAL. SECRETARY by command of H.E. The Governor, laid on the table the Report on the Finances of the Colony for the year 1921: Report on the Assess ment of the Colony for the year 1921 Report of the Harbour Master for the year 1981; Report of the Supreme Court for 1991; and the Report of the Police Magistrate for 1921.
FINANCE.
The COLONIAL SECRETARY by comman of H.E. The Governor, laid on the table the Report of the Finance Committee (No. 6) and moved that it be adopted.
The CULONIAL TREASURER, secunded and the motion was agreed to.
THE TELEPHONE CHARGES. GOVERNMENT REPLAYS TO HON, ME. LOWE'S QUESTIONS.
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The Hon. Mr. At R. Lowe put the ques- tions of which he had given "previous notice as follows:-
"In view of the one month's 'actice given by the China and Japas Tele phone & Electric Co., Ltd., to increase the rates charged to its subscribers (in) the case of business lines by 30 per cent) have these new charges been sanctioned by the Government; and, if so, will the Government lay on the table the pupers on which their decision was based?
Will the Government explain how much of the proposed increase is justi- fed by higher working custs, and how much by rental on heavy expenditure
(in the Company's own words) about
to be undertaken for the erection of a new Central Exchange and new Central Battery installation, and why it should be held justiñable for subscribers to pay 'such increased rates before the improve- menta bave been completed of any material expenditure incurred 7 The COLONIAL SECRETARY replied: -- The question of the Telephcue · Com- | (pany's rates has been the subject of pro- tracted negotiations between the Ctm- pany and the Governinut,
the
to permit the Company to charge the new rates forthwith, in order that it may be in a position to raise
new capital re- quired and to meet the general increase
Ordiannce was passed. In fact, refer ruce to the advertising columus of the Press will show that several houses, ut
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people have regulated their contracts, so few changes as possible, especially as
far, on the assumption that such build- ings would come within the Ordinance, To make a change now would be to create uncertainty and would be undesir
in expenditure which has taken place present are vacanta posision very since the present rates were introduced, different from that in the year 1920. abic.. The incidence of the increase between working costs and new capital expendi
ure cannot be accuraluly estimated.
COLONY ** WELL PROVIDED WITH BUILDING
AREAS.
As regards Air. Parr's question as
The Hon. Mr. Bing: Do you suggest, Sie, that people pecupying a godown would bring it under the heading of a domestic teadment 7
The ATTORNEY-GENERAY: Godowng used as habitations Jo, come within the Ordin
It may be pointed out that the radius the provision of areas for building. within which the minimum rate is think that the Colouy is very well. prones at presint. There is case ip charged has been considerably extended. vided with sich. There is a considerable volving a considerable sum arising on that A subscriber on the outskirts of Victoria amount of landh" avaliable: communicat
The Hon. BioD: That is the case for example, who in 1904 paid $175, istions are good, the terms on which land I have in view, now to pay 81-10 or 134 according as he
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is granted are extraordinarily favourable. H.E." THE GOVERNOR: I am not quite has a private or a business telephone. to the tenant, and I think it now remains sure what is the position Mr. Bird is trying to mert. Is it that people, in A SUPPLEMENTARY QUESTION.
for those persons in the Colony who have order to avoid baying the rents of godowns Hon. Mr. Lowe: Arising cut of the money to invest, to proceed to invest it, put up are actually putting a number answer to the last question, has the without waiting for more allurements of caretakers in, in order to say it is o
domestic building? Governorat whilst allowing the Com-from The Government. I think the.
The Hon. Mr. BIRD: I de *say 90, pany to avail itself of a capital expendi- Governsent has donc and is dùing - as cure revaluation apparently to the full much as any Government that I know of
H.E. THE Govndson: Well, in the omitted to obtai
1 "set off the WARNING. capitalised value of the profitable ex- change contract with its subscribers from 1st July next to the end of the present concession in "29367
1571
H.E. THE Govenson: I think it will be desirable, Mr. Lowe, to have notice
of the question.
Hon. Mr. Lowe
ingly,
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gave
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notice accord-
THE RENTS ORDINANCE
RENEWED.
**FLERCING TENANTS=" AGAINST
Sir
Ordinance as it stands we alfendy pro- vide that any building used for habita- in number is not a domestic tenement. tion ouly by caretakers not exceeding two
As i said, I trust that this law will cease to operate after another year, but What would happes if we cut out the should like to make it perfectly clear
elaze not exceeding two in
The ATTORNEY-GENERAL : The Jesses
tha, although I distike such legislation, D
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any attempt is made, on the censation would probably say that they were not. of the law, to go back to the system of caretakers, but clerks.
lords in
ORDINANCE
flecting tedauts which existed before it A CONTRAVENTION OF THE Building was introduced, I shall have no hesitation whatever in sinking my own feding and H.E. THE GOVERNOR: Would he not asking the Coubell to re-introduce this then come within the definition of the law, or a sine law; and I further say, Public Health and Buildings Ordinance? The DEECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS us a word of warning to certain land-
this Lolony that rf duly Under the Ordinance, only caretakers may authe-ticated 'cases are brought before me be permitted in a building which is not zu wich people have been informed by a dunestic builting, but the same their landlords that they had better agree finition la not carried through here. The ATTORNEY-GENERAL moved the second quickly to pay a rent above the standard The Hou, Mr. Bro: I think the tenant reading of the Bill intituled An Ürdin-
rent, otherwise it will be greatly in could be got at by the Public Health and, creased at the expiration of the Ordin Buildings Ordinance, but that means ance to extend temporarily the provisions unce, should have no hesitation in keep fitigation. I can avoid that it is of the Rents Ordinances, 1921, with caring the law on permanently or taking much better. There is a definition in the tain amendments,
ILE. THE GOVERNOR'S WARNING
- TO. LANDLORDS. --- "
The COLONIAL SECRETARY Secinded. The Has. Mr. Bio: Sir. May I make mark before you put that to the
any other steps for getting home on such Building Ordinance of both workshop landlords. That I mention publicly as and factory, and I feel sure it is not be, a word of warning to certain persons in yond the ingenuity of the Attorney. the Colony."
The second reading was then carried."neral to define & godown,
The ATTORNEY-GENERAL: I suppose On the motion of the ATTORNEY-Ger- godown" gets a certificate under section. ETAL, seconded by the COLONIAL SECRE 124 1 rang, the Council then went into the The DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS: Committee to consider the Bill 'olause by It gets a certificate under a domestic
building.
clause.
GODOWNS USED, ́AS TENEMENTS. On clauso 2.
The present agreement runs, for a period of twenty-five years from 1905. "Previous to that year the rate was $100 for the first mile of the distance from the telephone to the exchange and 825 for each additional half mile, and under the one 1905 agreement the figures were put into Vo sterling a £10 and £2. 10s. od.. the HE. THE GOVISOL: I am sorry; 1 exchange value of which was at the time did not mean to put it to the vote now. higher than the
dollar rates...
This is the time for any honourable mem-
The ATTORNEY-GENERAL in reply to ELE.. During
the exchange value of ber to discuss the principles of the matter.
the Governor said he was afraid the, the dollar rose very considerably and the The Hoo, Mr. Bino There is only one
The Hou, Mr. BIRD raised the question definition proposed, by Mr. Bird would Company's receipts in terms of dollars point. It appears to me that advantage he had already mentioned. He said not moet the case He continued: I were soriously diminished. The Com-has been taken of the definition of
My ideas is that another proviso should think it undesirable to alter the law just he inserted so as to in away with this for a year. So far as I can remember, I pany accordingly asked permission to domestic building to misinterpret the objection which, I believe, really exists only know of one case of this: there may make a large increase in their charges, spirit of the Ordinance, especially a regarda tenants who claim that because that case, the main was put in erpedally have been others. I do not say, than, in but the Government was out prepared to us regards proviso No, 1. What hap-watchmen living in their godown, for the purpose of making it a domestiq
have got more than two caretakers make any concession, except on thoyeon-pens at present, I understood, is that therefore they are entitled to call it tenement dition that the Company would agree to a tenant of a godown, workshop or domestic building I suggest a proviso HETER GOVEENOR: That is tho instal an up-to-date system on the mest factory, has only to put in, say a dozen, be inserted en ny
something on the lines of the following suggestion of Mr. Binn. I am afraid that now attention has been called to this modora method..
style for any number more than two people,
Any workshop, or factory, on build method it is only natural, that other Terus were discussed and figures were and call them caretaker or watchtening, which is used or designed to be people should adopt the same system, gono into at great length but it was and then he is entitled to call. It a found impossible to arrive at an agres domestic building.. I do not think the
used for the storage of cargo, will not The ATTUARRY GENERAL There are
views on this subject. Ons is, that the "bá deemed a domestici tenement. ment. The Government finally suggested
protection given to business premises H.E. THE GOYSENOR: Is it not really should be restricted: that is the land a conference, with Mr..P. H, Cole, Gen eral Manager of the Shanghai Mutual
provided for by number (.), lord's view. The other is that the Telephone Company, and Mr. W. W
Any building or portion of a build-tection should be extended still further: Cock, Consulting Telephone Engineer of
ing which is used for habitation only and made to apply to ollocs pure an London, as expert advisers to itself and
hy offir attendants or their familiest simple.
Ordinance ever intended the term domestic building to apply to building of this land, and I think wo might insert a proviso to make that im- possible.
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