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THE HONGKONG DAILY PRESS, TUESDAY, NOVEMBER 15TH, 1911.
HONGKONG LEGISLATIVE
COUNCIL.
THE BUDGET DEBATE.
“INTERESTING CRITICISMS AND SUGGESTIONS.
PEAK ROAD V. TRAMWAY: THE ETERNAL HOUSING PROBLEM: NEW TERRITORY SCHEMES:"QUESTION: OF LOANS FOR PUBLIC WORKS; H.E. THE GOVERNOR AND PRODUCE EXCHANGES.
A meeting of the Législatite "Council THE BUDGET DEBATE.
Hon.
CLM_G.).
CLAUD SEVERN,
was held in the Council Chamber, yes-
The COLONIAL SECRETARY: 1 beg to move terday afternoon. There were" present:~-~
the second reading of a Bill intitulat HIS EXCELLENCY THE GOVERNOR (Sir
REGINALD EDWARD STUDS, K.Can Ordinance to apply a sum not ex- THE OFFICER TEMPORARILY COMMANDING creding $16,430,131 to the public service from Wanchai to Magazine Gap'
THX TROOPS (Colonel O. W. DAVY, of the year 1922 and in doing so I have to point out for the information of hon.
Mr.
C.M.G. members that two numerical errors have boen discovered in the draft estimates (Colonial Secretary). HOL. Mr J. H. KAMP, K.C., C.B.E. which will affect the figures in the Bill.
(Attorney-General).
The first occurs on page 65 of the draft Hoa, Mr. C. Mcl. Mass, O.B-E. estimates in the Education Department
(Colonial Treasure?).
under the sub-head other charges Eon. Mr. E, R. HALLIYAN, O.B.E: where the figure in the second coluran
(Secretary for Chinese Affairs).
opposite the sub-bend "Studerta in training, Hongkong University; main- Hon. Mr. EW A. TRYING (Director of
Education).
should be 39,830 instead of tenance * Hop. Mr. T. L. PERKINS (Director of 39,050. This mistake, I understand,
Public Works).
arose from the fact that in the manuscript
we
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on
WE HAVE
firent Variction of used,anil unised
POSTAGE STAMPS
Single, Set, Packet, Bags,
and
Cu Approval Books FOR COLLECTIONS
GRACA & 00.
Dealers in Postage Stamps,Port Cardı, Seeds, Toys, do NG 10, WYNDHAM" STREET, HONGBUNG.
PO. 820
NEWS
BUTTER
In regard to Public Works recurrent. 3. My third point is to suggest a query
H.E. THE GOVERNOR: The road! we concur in the remarks which will pre-as to whether the Government is wise in The Hon. Mr. POLLOCK: I mean the sently he made by the Senior Chipes spreading out its expenditure over 10 road from Wanchai Gap to the Peak. Uroficial Member on the subject of level many items, for it must be remembered The cost of carrying on a road from ling the road from No. 7 Police Station that, on uncompleted items of work, Wanchai Gap to the Peak comes to a st to the back of the Gas Works and also whether they be Government buildings, of roughly $275,000-slightly more, and I as to the desirability, from the point ufor. Quarters for Offers, or even motor may remind you in connection with that view of the safety of the motoring public, roads, the particular work, whilst still that the estimated cost of a tramway of the Government, resuming the Pavilion
in an uncompleted stato is of no worth from Queen's Road East to Wanchai Gap at the junction of Park Boad and Ben- or utility whatever, and morely repre- was $130,000 only-in fact from the re- ham Road West,
Dealing now with Public Works Extra-sents a loss of so much interest on the port of the Director of Public Works for ordinary, seriatim, we have the following only expended on it. This point seems 1920 recently laid on the table, page 47, remarks to make : ---
to me to be specially worthy of consid-item 101, we see that a survey and (1)-Ro item
Victoria Hospituloration, in viaw of the stupendous prolongitudinal section were made and also Maternity Block, we should like some gramme of Public Works for 1023-4 the recessary working drawings for the explanation as to how it comes about Programme which, although it looks track formation, and the 1920 estimate that the revised Estimate so far exceeds well on paper, admittedly is not likely was $130,000. Therefore, it was not the original, Estimate.
to be carried out in anything like its altogether a rough estimate by the
Public Works Department. (i)-Re items 3 and 16. namely new entirety.
They had Offices for the Public Works Department. In connection with delay in comple, the necessary working drawings to go and proposed Volunteer Rifle Range, wetion, the new quarters for Government upon. Well, Sir, continuing with my should like the Government to make it a Servnats now approaching completion on criticisms of Your Excellency's runarks master of apetis: urgency to push on with the Severn Road are a most glaring in- want further to point out that the these Works, and, also with item 57, the stance of delayed completion, and extension of the motor roads eastwards Kowloon Hospital, the commencement of should like to be informed:-(1) When from Wanchai Gap to Victorin Gap is work on which has been very much delay work was first begun on the sites for not likely so cause any houses to be built ly over in Kowloon the site was absolutely amount expended to date on these three the exception possibly of a house for the ed. In fact when the speaker was recent those houses; and (9) What is the total which would not be built otherwise, with untouched by the hand of vinna.
(i)-As regards item $1 (0) Road expended to date on the three tennis Mount Gough Hill With regard to your DAIRY FARM
houses; (3) What is the total amount Captain-Superintendent of Police
should like some explansion as to why (4) What was the contract date for the sold for $80,000 on the road to the Peak, courts appertaining to these three houses remark that there was a piece of land the original estimate for this item wis
completion of these three houses and that piece of land was to the eastward increased from $20,000 to $76,000.
(As regards item 95." Constrnc. tennis court, and whether thero. was any of the Wanchai Gap. It was on the lower tion of new Queen's Statue Pier," this penalty clause in such contracts and part of the road, not on the road to the is another of the Works which we would whether it was enforced; and if not, Peak proper, which I have always ob- suggest ought to be pressed on, in the in- why it was not enforced (5) I should jected to. terests of the public. We understand that also like to ask why it was considered With regard to the possibility of the the 807,000 mentioned is the total contract necessary to have separate tennis further addition to the road between price for completion, and we would ask court for each of those houses. Such a Wanchai Gap and Victoria Gap which is what is the contract date for completion. procedure savours of absolutely wasteful now contemplated, that is to say from ()-As regards the Praya East Re-squandering of public money, I refer to The Mount" down to Victoria Gap, I élauation Scheme, we regret to learn that the tennis courts.
would point out that it is impossible to his work is 6 years, and we would inquire the Official Quarters on Severn Road fact that that piece of road is, in the the-ontract-time-for-the-completion-of
The question of the expensiveness of dive that that will open up any fresh building sites having regard to the what steps the contractor has undertaken naturally leads me to remark upon the Pokfulun drainage area, and, therefore,
stenon of the work.
re locomotve trucks, etc., for therary large sums which the Government buildings would not be allowed to be (vi)--As regards item 74 (6) Extend-18 expending for the housing of its erected on that road. I thought I had draft of the page there was a badly 10g Coronation Road northwards through Officers at the Peak and at Leighton better make these remarks in order tą]
hill (formerly K.FL. II.). we regret to
Hill. From items 1 and 3 (on page make my personal position clear upon written figure in the line above. That see that less progress than had been anti. of the Estimates for 1922) it will be
the question, and so that it may not will lead to certain cousequential amend cipated is being made this year and we see that the estimated total expenditure by imagined, that 1 a 12 ans, way
would inquire whether the estimated sum
on such Quarters for "1921 8038,000 ments and certain totals will have to be of $12,000 for 1952 will complete the work and that the estimated expenditure for departing from my previous position or amended. The second error is on
log
such Quarters in is $500,000, roughly compelled to depart from it, which is (ei)-Bc item 98 "lan."
we speaking, six lakhs of dollars for each
that the road ought not to have gone 35 under "Kowloon-Canton Railway signalling installaton,
east of Wanchai Gap. As regards the Mr. S. B. B. MOELDERRY (Clerk of The total on the right hand column should like to know what is the contract of the years 1981 and 1999.
date for completion.
piece of road at the back of Stewart Councils).
should be 861,230, instead of 863,230.
For my own part, I regard such ex (iii)-Reitém 107 This mistake was due to an error in Cheungahawan, we should like some in
"Befase dump, penditure as being very extravagant think everybody will agree that the road Terrace and above the Peak Church, I addition. It will involve certain changea formation as to the nature and purpose regard to the present high cost of building its way through there and that it from the Colony's point of view, having will have the greatest difficulty in fore in the totals on pages 86-92. In con of this work, and as to why the estimated ing and to the fact that officers not certainly will not open up any now sites: sequence of these errors it has been neces-expendituro of sary to amend the Abstract of Expendi- dwindled down to 85.000.
$40,000 in 1021 has entitled to free quarters, who occupy With these remarks I. beg to express my ture which was laid on the table at the With regard to the item $5,000 for Local quarters supplied by the Government, agreement with my unofficial colleagues. lust meeting. I think members have be Puble Works in the Northern District of only pay rent for such quarters at the fore them the amended Abstract which Now Territories on page 35, we would sag-rate of 6 per cent. upon salary and not shows the alterations. The general regest that a similar sum in lieu of the at the rate of 6 per cent. upon the cost sult is that the total estimate of the suggested sum of 8500 be handed over to"
of the building: expenditure for 1929 is $20,198,980 in the District Officer South for expendi- stead of 820,207,990, I will move the tare in the Island of Cheung Chau, where beg to move the second reading of the their own money in what would normally necessary» Amendments in committee. I the residents spend a certain amount of
be regarded as public purposes.
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Hon. Mr. H. E. POLLOCK, KC.
Hon. Mr. LAU CHU-PAK.
Hon. Mr. Ho Fook.
"Hon. Mr. A. G. STEPHEN.
Hon. Mr. H. W. BIRD.
Hon. Mr. A. O. LANG.:
NEW MEMBERS.
Col. C. W. Davy. C.M.G., took the oath and his seat as a member of the Council in the temporary absence of Lieut-General Sir G. M. Kirkpatrick, K.C.B., E.C.S.I.; and the Hon. Mr. A. O. Lang took the oath and his seat as the representative of the Hongkong General Chamber of Commerçe,
MINUTES.
The minutes of the last meeting of the Council were approved and signed by
the President.
FINANCE.
Bill.
page
The COLONIAL TREASURER: I beg to
The COLONIAL SECRETARY, by command | second. of H.E. the Governor, laid on the table Financial Minutes Nos, 115 to 121, and | THE HON, MB. E, E, POLLOCK, K.C. moved that they be referred to the Finance Committee.
The COLONIAL TREASURER seconded, and the motion was agreed to,
THE UNITED VIEWS OF
UNOFFICIAL MEMBERS.
The COLONIAL SECRETARY, by command
Hon. Mr. H. E. POLLOCK, K.C.-Sir, of H.E. the Governor, laid on the table as expressing, in the first part of my the Report of the Finance Committee speech, the united views of my unofficial (No: 13), and moved thas it be adoptean, I shall be adding some personal re- colleagues as well as of myself. Later The COLONIAL TREASURER seconded, and marks of my own and my colleagues who the motion was agreed to.
follow me will do likewise.
PAPERS.
The COLONIAL SECRETARY, by command of H.E. the Governor, laid on the table an Order made by the Governor in Council under section 9 of the Post Office
to
A question has been raised as to whether the Government is now, deriving as much might do from as is ought reasonably from the running of the Ferries to Samshti Po and Yaumati, and the Unofficial Members would be glad if that question could be carefully inquired into before the present period of licence or extension of licence expires, especially in view of the recent considerable decrease in the price of cond.
News has been received here from time to time to the effect that Hongkong is to chain and the Unofficials would be glad be included in the Imperial Wireless
1
Speaking for myself, I think that this system of expensive housing ought not erection of the Officers Quarters, of to extend beyond the completion or which the Public Works Committee have already had notice.
In this connection I consider that the
HON. MR. LAU CHU PAK.
RICE GROWING IN NEW TERRITORIES.
À FURTHER REDUCTION INI
PRICES.
DAISY".
FROM 1ST NOVEMRER 1921,
81.25 per Ib $1.15
· DAIRYMAID'
THE DAIRY FARM, ICE & COFT STORAGE 00., LTD.
A. G. DA ROCHA.
AUCTIONEEL SURVETOR AND GENERAL BROKER,
No. 1, D'Aguilar Street, Talephone No. 2972 WEEKLY AUCTIONE, TUESDAYS ----
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MISCELLANEOTS GOODE,
supporting the remarks which my hon.
The Hon. Mr. LAU CHO-PAK: Sir,-In | THURSDAYS :--- · friend opposite has made on behalf of the unofficial members, may I add a few words in reference to some other subjects
Ordinance 1000, and the Report of the estimates we desire to offer the following pect" of the Kowloon-Canton Railway Seryents in a very liberal spirit. Only Hongkong less dependent on
VALUABLE
HOUSEHOLD 'FURNITURE.
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EXCELLENT: HOUSEHOLD · „FURNITURI
BABY LOST REST. WITH ECZEMA
In Pimples On Head From Birth. Caused Itching, Cuticura Heals,
to blow to Department are very much be Chinese. Plenty of SATURDAYS to blame for setting up a very expensive capital would be forthcoming from private standard of Officers Quarters, both as sources for the development of the waste regards number and size of rooms and land from Un Long "to Fanling and Taipo for the purpose of farming, build- the provision of tennis courts. Colony lives in a five-roomed house with facilities and encouragement were given The average Pear resident in thising and industrial enterprises, if greater!
to interding investora out any teamis court, but the Govern- ment Servant, who has taken his chance
A scheme which my Chinese colleagues of housing with the average resident for and I and several friends,-by way of placed to a much better position than mised to support financially, is one for many years past, is apparently to becouragement to new comers have pro to learn what information the Govern the average", resident, Whilst the unofficial members are in
reclaiming & large tract of submerged ment can give them on the subject. general agreement with the Budget as a whole, they desire to offer certain critic which we should also like to be informed moments reflection will suffice to show safice to meet all local demands for five Another subject, as to the progresa ofin any niggardly spirit.In fact & few
Sir, I am not making these remarks and partially submerged land in a cer
tain part of the New Territories for the. purpose of growing paddy. This should isms and to put certain questions In is one which has frequently, been men- regard to the form of presenting the draft tioned in this. Council, namely, the pros. Council are disposed to treat the Civil orx months a year, thus rendering
that the Unofficial members of this
Committee appointed by H.E. the Gover: have been better (at pages 6-12) if an Railway.
observations. We think that it would being linked up with the Canton-Hankow
outside nor for the purpose of considering what additional column had been inserted
a few years ago a system was brought scheme has been under the consideration sources for "the supply of rice. The measures can beat be taken (1) Toheaded "Eevised Estimate, 1921" Wo
in by which Government Servants could of the Government for several years. facilitate the prompt acquisition by also think that it is advisable, in dealing In conclusion of their joint remarks, period of full pay than formerly. Then led to expect, that a lease would be enjoy, when on leave, a much longer More than twelve months ago, we were applicants of sites which they require with Public Works Extraordinary, that the Unofficial Members would strongly a payment of return passages scheme granted, but we have been waiting for (i) To facilitate the prompt passing.of there should be an additional column, urge upon the Government the imperative was made generally dpplicable, involving this elusive lease up to this very mo building plans,
headed "Estimated expenditure to com. necessity for discouraging the formation the Colony in considerable expenditure. plete work." because, in the absence of of Produce Exchanges in this Colony. Then considerable percentage
radical improvement is The Hon. Mr. POLLOCK, K.C., pursuant euch a column, it is in many cases dim. Such Exchanges come into existence for added to the salaries of Civil Servants, for land in the New Territories, I fear introduced in dealing with applications cult to make out whether the sum voted the more purpose of gambling and for 1929 completes the work in question not intended to meet the legitimate remission, to make up for the increased that the development of the place will
in pursuance of the reports of a Com- or not. Furthermore, it is a matter of quirements of trade and have been most
be slow, indeed. The scheme 1 have cost of living. Next there is the payment interest, in regard to the Finance of strongly condemned at the recent meeting of Government Servants at the very mentioned should do much towards the future years, to know how much prospec of the British Associated Chambers of favourable rate of 18 dollars to the prosperity of the locality, in that rice- tive expenditure we shall have to incur Commerce at Shanghai, the following re- in future years in connection with works solution having been passed in regard to and although it may be that the sliding from across the border, would spring up when the dollar is at 2s. 6d. or under, even village cottages for settlers coming mills, vegetables farms, fish-ponds, and now in hand or being begun.
scale is not much more favourable than in a short space of time. the old rate of four-fifths at is 9d. and one-fifth at the rate of the day, it is more
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QUESTIONS.
to notice "asked:-
1-When oes the Government intend to publish the Report of the Committee appointed by H.E the Governor for the purpose of considering what measures can best be taken
(i.) To facilitate the prompt acquisi. tion by applicants of sites which
they require:
(ii) To facilitate the prompt passing
** of building plans?"
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THE WANGHAI GAP TRAMWAY.
COD-
them:
PEODUCE EXCHANGES.
D
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ment. Unless
Was
PUBLIC HEALTH IN NEW TERRITORIES. While on this subject, Sir I should
"The Conference views with serious con. cern the establishment of a large number of produce and stock exchanges inShang favourable than 10 dollars to the fin tike to mention that certain natives of hai It has reason to believe that the majority are not founded to meet the sorted in mercantile agreements. If, on the New Territories, who owned land legitimate requirements of Foreign and the top of that, we are to house all our and houses at the time when the area was Chinese, merchants engaged in trade in officers in superfine, houses at vast er. Shanghai, but are enterprises. apease, and at a very inadequate rental taken over by Great Britain, and who speculative and gambling nature, and in return, I think, Sir, that that would still own such land and houses, have been ne such are a standing menace to the prove to be too heavy a charge upon our which may or may not be true, that the much perturbed by certain tumours, financial stability of Shanghai. The fature revenue. That is the point at Government would shortly enforce in the Conference urges the Consular Body to which I think we must draw the line as villages in the Territories certain sec- co-operate with the Chinese Government regards committing ourselves further, tions of the Public Health and Building. by supporting the Municipal Council more especially as, with lower cx- in any steps taken for the licensing change, the charge for Personal Emola qualified architects and the submission Ordinance requiring the employment of registration and control
of these ments of Government servants will fall of plans to the Public Works Depart Exchanges,"
heavily upon our Revenue.
like to know why the sum of $800,000 does As regards the University, we should not appear as a liability in the statement of liabilities and assete of the Colony sad, while on this subject, we would ex- 2. What measures does, the Govern. Press our earnest hope that, in future, no ment propose to take for the purpose revenue
additional financial assistance from the of carrying out the recommendations already agreed upon, will be required by of the Colony, beyond that made in the Report of the Commission on the University. Child Labour i
In regard to item 4 on page 12, ** The COLONIAL SECRETARY replied:-
servancy contracte." we should like to 1.-The Report has been laid before know how it comes about that the estimate Council to-day.
for 1922, $62,700 so much exceeds the ap 3. The Government is giving the re-proved estimate of 814,600 for 1021. port and recommendationa of the Com- mission its careful consideration but ig As regards the projected tramway to not yet in a position to state what moa-Wanchai Gap, the unofficial members
5. The last point which I shall criticizement for approval, before any old Housea sures it proposes to adopt.
would suggest that the question be gone THE TREATY OF PEACE (HUNGARY) ferable to carry up such tramway (a little the Budget:-I will now proceed to make said:-
on my own behalf is in connection with could be reconstructed or new houses into as to whether it would not be pre- the unofficial members and myself upon in introducing the Budget. You then work from hand to mouth, and cannot Those Sir, are the general remarks of the following remarks of Your Excellency built. Most of the people in the villages ORDER, 1821.
to the East of Wan bai
afford to pay for what, in the circum The ATTORNEY-GENERAL: Six,-I beg to the top of Mount Cameron, ns it would oft remarks of my own on various sub-
"Under communications the first stances, I make bold to
call such 'jects: seem po sibie that, with branch roads (rick-
five items are for works already in pro can build a small house for a few hundred Juxuries. Under the present law, they gress, and it is expected that all ex- dollars; but if they were compelled to cept the first item will prove rem comply with the requirements of the erative undertakings. I may mention Ordinance, they would never be able to that one piece of land opened up by re-construct their present houses, much the new road to the Peak sold a feless to build new ones. I recollect that days ago for $80,000, which is exactly shortly after the New Territories were the estimated cost of completing the taken over a special type of house suit- road to Victoria Gap."
PERSONAL OPINIONS.
"
"Baby had curcum on her bead From birth. It appeared first in the form of pimples and caused great faching till I had to have her wear. a. bunnet night and day. She hardly got any sleep. I got Catfours. Sonn and Ointment and kept on using them for about three months when
she was healed." (Bigned] Mrs. Lucas, 3, Shonery Rd., Stratford- on-Avon, Eng.
Delicate skins with tendency to pimples, redness or toughness
I not be irritated by strongly medicated soaps. Why not use lar every day toilet purposes, Cuticura, ⚫ purt, gtoile soap, touching the firm signs of imples or tation with Cuticura. Dintment?
JORDT, Ditusest ko. Bd. und 2.6d. Sold Tranghaet the Empire. Formups such Expand 14. Landa, 24.3% flow for malfordry with priem.
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to move the first reading of Billah roads) at intervals from the stations make is that I hope that the Government. 1. The first remark which I have to intituled An Ordinance to modify certainen auch tramway, an increase could will most vigorously press on the settle provisions of the Treaty of Peace (Hua- be made in sites available for building at ment of the terms of agreement for the gary) Order, 1021, for the purpose of different levels on Mount Came on, the transfer of the Military Establishments to adapting the provisions of the Order to first station from the bottom being on the mainland, and thus give the Colony. the circumstances of the Colony of Hong Black's Link, the accond and third at dif- greater room for expansion on this side. kong The various Orders in Council forent leve's above that, and the fourth made in England for the purpose of station being at the top of the Tramway with the opening up of King's Park for 2. My second point is "in connection applying and enforcing in Him. Domin] It may also be pointed out, if it be ang building sites. Some two or three years these remarks because I think they have devised in order to save them unnecen- Bons the various treaties of peace. all re- gested that the time is hardly ripe for
I regret, Sir, that I must criticize able for thus needs of the natives was HONGKONG CHINEST quire modification for the purpose of ch a tramway, that the tramway would go the unofficial members of this Coun- been made under a misapprehension of sy expenses while enabling them to application to the Colony of Hongkong. take arme time to construct and father with the late Director of Public Works, was in favour of a road being carried not resuscitate this design from the Already Ordinances have been passed more that, when the present Peak Tram-
cil went most carefully into this matter my personal position in this matter. I comply with the law of sanitation. Why modifying several of the past Orders in way was opened in May, 1988, there were Mr. Chatham, "and recommended that, up to the Peak, as far as Wanchai Gap, Office, and 200 whether it could now be pigeon-hole of the Building Authority's Council, and this Bill proposes to make Peak District and ha'f a dozen King's Park, including the Rifle Range, in connection with it, and, as a most introduced! Those who can afford to] Published: Dally under the samplove of the
only about a dozen houses in spart from the golf links, the whole of oecause I was under the impression that af Peace Order which volates to the Moreover a tram is obviously the only poses. In fact at. that time all manner thing absolutely necessary for the deveton-prefer-European building could-be made Treaty of Peace with Hungary.
faible means of ape nach enabling thonet schoon were being suggested by local seat of the Mount Cameron district, to comply with the Ordinance; but I res f moderate means to reside in the Mount architects for utilizing the available are The Bill was accordingly-read a fretable for the transpart of provinous and I question seems to have been allowed to opponent of the road being carried from population, should be left with as few London, or fróns abo diferent Agonis.
meron District and is also indispens to the best advantage, but the whole
hat ramway should be ran up the peatfully submit that the poor villagers, Wanchai Gap. I have been consistent who constitute the majority of the other nosesaarica,
lapse,
Wanchai. Gap up towards the Peak. legal encumbranose na posüblə..
The COLONIAL SECRETARY BOQnded, and
the motion was carried.
t.hen
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