THE HONGKONG DAILY PRESS, THURSDAY, SEPTEMBER 4TH, 1919.
BARON MAKINO RETURNS FROM THE PEACE CONFERENCE.
SOME INTERESTING JAPANESE VIEWS.
JAPAN WILL HOLD SHANTUNG TILL CHINA NEGOTIATES."
[SPECIAL TO THE. HONGKONG" DAILY PRRES."]
I am coming to that. What I want
to show you is that no country represent
at the Conference had its own way and Japan can rightly be said to have done no better and no worse than any other Power."
Do you mean to say that unless China signs the Peace Treaty Japan will refuse to negotiate ..
"I do not think go; I think a settle ment can be effected even if China per siats in not signing the Peace Treaty Japan made known her policy in regard to Shantung as far bark as 1018, and it remains with China to negotiate with us on the question. Japan 'will most certainly return Shantung to China.",
And the conditions!"
I cannot say Whatever our rundi. tions are have no doubt that friendly
discussion between the two parties will lead to a settlement, that will be satis factory to both countries."
(* Are "you aware that the American, Sroute is in favour of giving Shantung
back to China.
One of the most brillinu statesiaen in Japan-Baron Making, Japan's second delegate at the Paris Conference-was in Hongkong, yesterday, together with a party of other officials, comprising Dr. S. Tachi. Professor of the Tokio Ünivers wity: Mr. F. Fukal, Directoř of the Bank of Japan. Mr. L.Kinnen; First Secre tary of the Embassy, Mr. Ha Arita. See- entary of the Foreign Office, ku fol S Hain, Capt. Nishiharar Mr. T. Ide, and The party arrived by the Shutoka Mura, Soon after the vessel was inewred. Mr. F. Suzuki, Japanese: Cuite-uk-Genami, went beard and escortrit the Aisitors to his idence in: And whoop sem countries Wi notapan, by, Viscount Chinda, and Messrs
Mr. 'S Abe.
express
"You will, of course, admit, that your stuteraent is only a matter of opinion!"
Exactly, replied. Mr. Kimura, everyone is entitled to opinion, and I am giving you mine. Io was, a ense of give-and-take-all round. Demands were made and withdrawn :- others were insisted upon and over-ruled thers, still were not even considered
Mr. Kimura could not repress a simile. It is a matter that will be settled us twin China and Japan. without outside interference." be replied.
Mr. Kintura informed our reporter that the Austrian Turkish and Bulgarian Treaties would be signed, on behalf of
"A MOST DISGRACEFUL CASE'
CHINESE REFUSE DUTY IN A TYPHOON
Adthe Marine Court Festerday. before Captain Basil Taylour, E., the chief engineer (Tan Kwai), and the third engineer (Li Chin) of the six, (hejno were charrel, at the instance of Captain Foyn with unlawfully neglecting their duty and impeding the bavigation of the ship no the high ens on August sist and 2nd.
Capt. Foyn deposed that while the ship was on her way up from, Fremantle, she was caught in a typhoon about 170 miles south of Hongkong. Witness sent for the first engineer and told him he must keep a good head of steam. The engideer replied that he could not do it. This was on August 2nd. Next day at 1a.m. the engine stopped Half-an-hour Inter, it started very slowly, but stopped again at 2.30 am. for gond. Witness again sent for the first engineer and remonstrated with "him, but he only laughed in wit ness's face. He told witness that every che on board refused duty, and suggested
Alay Roar, where they spent a quiet day.leed at the result of their particular Matsur and juin, the Ambassadors that witness put in somewhere for shelter.
Baron Makiro and the Japanese Consul- Congrat called at Government Hius dur ing the day, and were offiged to refuse an invitation to dinger owing to the a parture of the Shizuoka Mura Festerday
claims, I have no doubt, whatever that they took things in the best grun bercatis they realised the menuity of Coming to a compromise on every point Japan obtained all she asked for in m on which they pld not have their way.
gard to the Pacific Islands. She has the mandate for them, with equal commer- agated, in venaction with the Peacecial rights for all timbers of the Eague
*evening,
Barun Makino's sume will always be
Conference, with the fight he met on behalf of Japan's slain to racial equal ity. Ps. will be remenilered that at the great renuriution, as it is consider
of Nations Japar succeded fairly well
but we were much disappointed, of course, at the failure of the Council to accept our place for racial equality in thi
London, Paris and Kome respectively.
-
RETURN OF DR. WE CHAOÇ'EU".
0
CHINA MEST MAINTAIN HER
ATTITUDE OF PROTEST, -
Witness pointed out to the engineer that he could gaswhere without steam, and was told that he must wait for better weather.
Henry Enders, mate of the, sa.. Chefon, said that on the end, ultime there was As distinct from the above views, not enough steam to keep the ship to the typical of Japanese opinion, the follow-wind. There was, in fact, hardly enough views of The Wa Church, one of steam to turn over the engine. The cap China's delegates to the Coafurence, are of unusual interest: Dr. Wu, who is a son of Dr. Wu Ting-fong, arrives in
in 'sent witness down at 7 pm, to tell the defendants to keep the steam up. Witness went down and saw the first.
ed in Japan circles, Baron Making League of Nations. We have joined the Hangkeng at daylight to-day on the second and third engineers, and pointed |
anid that Japan would raise the question again before the Council of the League
uf Nations.
He
The Baron-js now 58 years of age. is the son of the late Mr. Okuby, one of the bading statesinen thrring the earlier
League of Nations because we believe that
it forms the fundamental basis of a dur
able peace for all, the world-jugt so initiators, intended it.. and just so long long as the League is conducted as its
as all its clauses are kept in the spirit
It will be remembered that he
沁
was the last of China's delegates to pass
his "way though Hongkong" on
wa wa
Paris. Interviewed by Daily Iran. mporter on that piccasion. Tr not quite certain whethermom
period of the late Emperor's régime. He as well ne in the letter. Japan" feule owing to the feeling then existing be
was educated solely in Japan voyage which he made to America and Europe with his father. over forty years ago had a great, fleet on the young lad, who even in his early years showed a good rasp of foreign affairs as they concern
ed the land of his birth.
Making has
t
accept the Feking Government's invita- tween the North and the South-he would
tian to assist the deliberations" of the Chinese, delegation. On his arrival at Paris, however, he found himself in the vortex of politics and was in time to
between his countrymen in Paris, Since settle certain differences which had arisen
then, he has taken a prominent part in the discussions
America. Interviewed in New York, on Dr. We returned to China by way of July 19th, he said:---
With respect to Shantung, our advice the Government and the people of of protest against the decision of the China will be to maintain their attitude
Peace Conference which refused to give back Shantung to China. Not only did the decision go against us, but when the delegates wanted to sign under reserva tion they were refused permission to do
out to them the dang the want of steam was causing They made no effort to do anything. Witness's remonstrations only produced laughter from the first engineer, The first engineer, giving evidence from the deck, said the ship was rolling to
the water coming from above. He put much and the firemen could not stand in
His
en a pump to fump out the water. men det all they could, as they were just as anxious for their own safety as the captain and the mate were. It was not
stram up, their fault it, they evuld not keep the
The sound defendant qurroborated..
Capt Fosnated that the crew was composed of 14 nies. He could not get the other 12, as they left the ship without beink paid off and were now ashore.
In tencing the defendants, to 19 weeks' hard labour each. Capt. Tayfour had heard of in his life. end this was the most disgracefal case he
ILL-TREATING
A SERVANT GIRL.
strongly on the question of racial equal ity, and, as Baron Making informed the League of Nations Commission-intends to bring the question up again in the hope that when the League has started ca its life in the most auspicious manner. „been in the service of the Japanese Gove the nations will be more inclined to con crnment all his life. About 15 years agd sider Japan's plea. As a intter of fact. he entered the Diplomatie Servine, being it must be plain to all people that the appointed Japanese, Minister at Vienna, equality of all races must be the founda When Marquis Saionji became Premier tion of nay League of Nations if the some years later, Mukino was recalled to League is going to promote international Japan, where he became Minister of welfare rather than the welfare of cer Education and, "afterwards Minister fortain powerful countries alone.!! Foreign Affairs, which latter post the held "It is well-knowu that Japan has ho till four years ago- Since then he has come a party to the International Labour Igen member of the Hiplomatic Quaneil "question. Can you tell us what effe of Japan, the body of ten men that that will have of labour in your coun- virtually governs the country's policy in peter and in war. The friendship which
It is not possible to say what will be sprang up between Marquis Saionji and
the effect on Jepanese labour till the Baron Making, when the latter was in-
fall details are discussed and decided at vited
the Washington Convention in October, Join the former's Liberal Japan joined without reservation, and Cabinet, is stranger than even today for has, therefore, to consider whether it i the Marquis was the bead of the delegation, and had the fluent-speaking regulating hours and wages. The be necessary to pass new legislation in to assist him in advocatingmatter is only in its preliminary stages.
rights at the greatest con- ference in the world history.
The question of the day, said the r A reporter of Consul-eneral's resi
of the Daily Iris called porter," is the Shantung settlement and at the
1 should like your views on that point" elence, yesterday, to obtain the Baron's "The Shantunk question was defide questions. "Hely decided by the Pence Conference," re was informed that the
plied. Mr. Kimura, after full and fre posed to graft a personal interview, but discussion.. would endeavour to answer a few ques-
The decision they came to
Kak sed to think you have received some tions through lifa First Secretary, Mr.
was the only one possible in the face of
provocation in this case. There is, there 1. Kimura,
the Anglo-Japanese Treaties, signed by Our reporter was able, there pro fure, th
fain the following representa-
properly accredited representatives of hoth countries.
times you have no right to beat this child. fore, some excuse for you. At the sam tive Japanese views, in expressing which under discussion. Dr. Wellington Koustic Governurats any this not on my
When the matter was Mr. Kimura, more than once sought the for China, made a most brilliant auch authority, but I am quoting whatever bad she is. I discharge you with a so unmercifully as you have done, how- Opinion of Baron Makino.
Questioned first as to the
He was one of the most polished speak the Japanese themselves admit,
Lader
enution. ers at the Conference. The decision that the imperialistic Governments China delegation, of which Reuter was arrived at was untaimous."
You will go again with the has been the pricipal ong to suffer. If Pirl to the Secretary for Chinese Afinira "Unanimous,"
what Japan has done in the past is any gauge, of what she is going to do in the future, there is plenty of ground for the apprehension of the Chinese people.
"We only hope that those in power
to
views on Peace Confex was indi
The informed us, Mr. Kimura isti
had,
that the
Barquis
the
**
queried as reporter, of the Delegation, was I thought that President Wilson raised The others who signed objections to the settlement for the rea with Gerdaily on behalf on that he was in complete ignorance of of Japan were Baron Makino, Viscount the existence of the Anglo-Japanese
(Ambassador in
Alatani (Ambassador in
even that.
"As for the Twenty-one demands.**. with the League of Nations, and we shall weshal advise that they be taken up suggest that China continues, before the League of Nations, the work begun at Paris."
Dr. Wu and he did not want to give the impression of eriticising Japan, Japan and China are neighbours and are placed there by nature," he declared. "We cannot biove away as you move a house. But we do want to be free from aggression on the part of any and every body, whether our neighbours or not."
Japan has had some rather imperial
PO LEUNG KOK SAYS: THERE WAS PROVOCATION."
At the Magistracy, yesterday, the hearing of the case was continued in which a Chinese woman stands charged with treating her little servant-girl. that the girl did not know how to cook The reason giving for the assault was rice properly.
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(Ambassador indon), Mr. Treaty of ID15 until the Shantung settle in Japan will bring about a radieal the Germans doen not give Japan the right.
is a
in spite of the
ence."
M. Clemenceau," Premier's aware, of the terms of the Treats some hitherto been shown in dealings with
and.
Momentous
They
ventured
were great
interests and privileges conceded to, the furmer German Government. that Japanese captured Kiaochow from
The Thet
of succession over the interests and privileges enjoyed by the Gerinana since no 1898, because Chins signed the lense with no other Power peace has been declared there is apparent. except Germany. Sine.
pancy of Kinochow or of any other ly no excuse for Japan's military occu territory in Shantung Province."
is that was the reason why ads, that's all the Conference-Mr. Lloyd Georgs M. Paris would have on the difficulties made under duress; second. because they
No doubt M. Clemenceau saw things Clemenceau, from Japan's view point, because he had Signor Orlando. the privilege of being in suca close touch with the Marquis, much more so
than some others
Conference Can
and
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be said that Japan is satis got together, the under
The decision of the Peace Conference.
it be
the Peace Conference?" lied with the results she obtained from
years,
and Mr.ment came to be discussed by the Confer-change of policy from that of their pre friend of
en That
vious Governments. We are not against is not so, replied Mr. Kimura, the Japanese people. Mr. Kimura, I believe President Wilson was made against the Japanese policy as it has
We
are simply arduous duties as President of the Pence days before the matter was discussed be: China. Conference know that on at least three fore the representatives of China and Japan. To quote: an instance, in the We are not prejudiced against n his at his residence, and was closeted one, Lecase of the strong feeling amors. There is not a bit of doubt about that the Sino-Japanese Treaties of 1915 on
cisions the Marquis called Japan. The decision was an important Russo-Japanese War, the entire sympathy, with him foca
of the Chinese was with the Japanese long time. Perhaps
the representatives of China and Japan,
"China demands the nullification of the reporter and the decision was arrived at ire com- Japan
Asked what effect the negotiations at three grounds: First, because they were plete agreement among the four heads of
President Wilson
between North and South China, Dr. Wi destroy the independence of China; and, xaid: "Since the diplomatic defeat at third, because they cannot be enforced And the future of Shantung
Paris there has been a general desire on without menacing the peace of the world. Japan
has made her position clear, both sides to come together as quickly as The treaties of Brest-Litovsk and Buda- Poible without a violation of their prin- peat were annulled because they were made able. and, therefore, any settlement, that will be to put an efficient Government at to manage their own affairs, as they have No, Japan is not quite satisfied, but ed at by negotiation between
is arrived at in the fature must be arriv. the helm and to re-organise the country.
done, for thousands of
The re te sarie thing can be said of nearly countries mest involved. It is
the two
Treaty of the world assembled at Paris to declare be sure to result in
"of every country represented. Each country
essentially
2016 is a sacation of had its own views of its rights, and in
matter that can only be decided by
null and void the treaties made between among the nations having interests in the the present-day world it would have been enge which Japan does not want of any sion of the Twenty-one demands of For how can there be permanent peace and Japan, without the interfer Japan and China following the subria Far East, again setting the world on fire. conflicts very strange indeed if these views did other Power. not conflict with those of some other cuun return' Shantung to China.
Japen-has promised to
Japan," continued Dr. Wa. "The Peace when 400,000,000 inhabitants of China are try. The discussion of these mumerous
Conference having failed to do this, China arrayed againat injustice!" disputes you will understand that
But when ?
will remain 6rm and consistent in her Dr. Wü explained that Japan falls it was
"That absolutely necessary to have unanimity until representatives of the two coun- of Shantung.
exactly what cannot be stated policy on the treaties and the disposition heir to Germany's rights in China" not 13 on all the important points-made the tries meet and discuss the conditiona conference the most wonderful occasion in which Japan, naturally, is trying to
The Chinese Government. contends Conference, but also through Article 1 history, and very few indeed in the world impose.
only through the decision of the Peace that Japan has no right to keep Kia of the treats of 1915, by which China, will realise what it involved to bring Bat China's attitude at the present the Central Powers in August, 1917,
chow, that China's declaration of war on to avoid war with Japan, gave full assent about a satisfactory settlement of the demoment does not lend one to the opinion abrogated all existing treation between minnds of so many countries."
"Aren't we straying somewhat from outside interference, observed our rement. The Chinees Government also con- position of all rights, interests, and con that the matter will be settled without China and the former German Govern- German Government concerning the dis to "all matters upon which the Japanese Government the point? What I should like you to presentative.
it may hereafter agree with the tell me is why Japan is not satisfied. That remains to be seen,
tends that China is the only country censions which Germany, by virtue of It Chios What exactly Japan asked for that she had signed the Peace Treaty and entered which has the right to claim back all did not get1
into negotiations with Japan
treaties or otherwise, possesses with re- (Continued at foot of neal column.) gard to the Province of Shantung.'
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