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upheld. In the other two cases the Birrell the decision of the Tribunal was Tribunal's decisions were reversed and both Mr. Syme Thomson snd Mr. Ritchie were granted' total exemption.
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MissKA, DOD WELL & CO.
The first case considered was that of Mesara Dodwell & Co-Mr. S. H. Dodwell appeared on behalf of the Company
MY DODWELL-I will state my case had
questions that the Coun then answer and as the decision of the Military Service Tribunal in Mr. Thom- son's case is fraught with such serious consequences to my firm that I am going to take the unusual course of admitting frankly that I feel its adverse nature was "due to my anticipating that further
exemption, tical cerminty, and to my consequently
at any rate, would be a prac† not emphasizing sufficiently, in my evi- dence, Mr. Thomson's value to us. In spite of the fact that our firm has already
FRIDAY, OCTOBER 1118, 1918
tion.
That was in July. Surely now the war The Council considered the matter in their energy and perseverance position warrants our efforts being direct private, and, subsequently, H.E. the building this business by taking "ay ed more and more towards the economic Officer Administering the Government from them, the expert engaged since the struggle that will follow. Major Morgan | Say
war and whose department, is regarded was agreeable to a trifling exemption, but Announced that it had been decided to that was not agreed to by the Tribunal areat Mr. Sume Thomson total exemp- as an important item in the re-establish Even if Hr. Thomson had three months'
ment of their trade. I submit that it is axemption it seems to me an impossibility
Mr. Birrell total exemption. only right in these circumstances to give for him to impart to anyone, having no previous experience of the trade, sufficient expert knowledge to enable us to carry an with a sufficient degree of safety Under chant knows it is difficult enough now to
very best staff conditions every mar-| avaid
the
claims for inferior deliveries.
MESSRS. GERIN, DREVARD & CO.
The case of Mr. J. D. Birrell, of Mesara Gorin, Drevard & Co., was not considered-Mr. H. W. Looker appeared on behall of the firm and Mr. Gerin was
also present
00
HE. THE OFFICER ADMINISTERING THE GOVERNMENT-You did not appear for the firm before the Tribunal f
Mr. Loox-No.
B.F THE CHICER ADVINISTERING THE GOVERNMENT-Were all the points you have put before us just now put before the Tribunal by Mr. Birrell f
Mr. LooxER-The only knowledge I- have of what was put before the Tribunal I have phtained from the newspaper reports. The proceedings seem chiefly to have been confined to what. I would consider to be the minor, rather than the major, grounds for exemption.
On the first occasion Mr. Birrell was before the Tribunal he was exempted to
by the statement made by the Chairman make arrangeidents. That was confirmed at the opening of the second hearing- the French front Tribunal.
to It would appear
·was
It is
→THE APPEAL - COUNCILS
MESSEE RITCHIE AND BYME
THOMSON EXEMPTED, GO
MR. BIRRELL TO BE ENROLLED,
A meeting of the Appest Council was held in the Council Chamber yesterday H.E. the Officer Administering the Gov ornment presided and there were also prosent H.E the General Officer Com- manding the Colonin) Secretary Hon Mr. AGM Fletcher), the Attorney General (Hon Mr. J. H. Kemp, C.H.E.), the Colonial Treasurer (Hon. Mr. Ak Thompson), the Director of Public Works There is one other point which I submit may not have been fully appreciated by
Mr. LOOKER The Bem of Mesars. (Hon. Mr. T. L Perkins), the Secretary the Tribunal. It is the fact that we are Geria, Drevard & Co. were established in for Chiness Affairs (Hon Mr. E R registared at home and pay full home China in 1909. They developed a very Hallifax, O.BE), and the three income tax and excess profits tax, which Assessors-Hon. Mr. P. Holyoak, in 1916 and 1977 amounted to £300,000 large import and export trade, parti Mr. N. J. Stabb, O.B.E., and Mr. C. I put this forward in my letter to the cularly, I think, in silk. They had an H. P. Hay N Mga Tribunal as a reason why I thought we co in Shanghai and another in Lyons. Three appeals were heard one by were entitled to the fullest consideration. When war broke out all their men in Mesars, Dodwell de Co. against the In point of fact this home registration in Lyons were taken by the French autho- enrolment of Mr. F. Syme Thomson, one our case means that by far the greater titles and they had to close their office by Mesra Gerin, Drevard & Co. against part of our profits on all trading goes there. They had to close their Shanghai the enrolment of Mr. J. D. Birrell and towards the cost of the war, so that the office, for. s. similar. reason. Mr. Gerin decision of the Tribunal will not only himself was taken and the whole business the third by the International Banking Corporation against the enrolment of Jeopardise dur valuable import and export in China, which had been established for trade, but will deprive the Home Govern a considerable number of years and had Mr. D. Ritchie. In the case of Mr.
maak, solfers of a considerable sum of attained a very considerable staid of in which the head man of the import and Gerin served money. Finally, sir, I know of no case development, was closed down. Mr.
me that the recognised that" "it" for two years, when he was "dis export department of any similar firm in
desirable Colony has been non-exempted, charged on
that arrangements should account of Ulness. He be made for this engineering branch of and if Mr. Thompson is taken from a Brm than came back to China to pick up the business to be continued, and I whose war record is as good as ours what he could of his business interests think it is generally understood by the submit it will be a gross injustice.?!
He established himself in Shanghai, in H.E, THE OFFICER ADMINISTERING THE Hongkong, in Canton and in Haiphong to make arrangements and is unable to public that where a person is given time GOVERNMENT! am sure the General and he succeeded very gradually, with make them the Tribunal recognises that Military Service Tribunal fully appre-great energy and perseverance in getting by giving a further exemption. clated the latter part of your remarks back almost the whole of his business well known that it is absolutely impos- ging your firm being registered it and in doing an exceedingly large trade sible to replace a qualifed engineer in England and the sums paid in income in imports and exports, running into tax and excess profits tax. The records something over millions of dollars a the Colony. That class of man does not show that Moreover, I cannot see any year In 1916 it was suggested to him exist in the Colony except in present season to doubt, from the proceedings by the Chairman of the French Chamber employment. before the Tribunal, that the members of Commerce in Shanghai that he should fully realised Mr. Syme. Thomson's value extend the range of his business by going Mr. Doow I do not think they did. Westinghouse people in America with to the firm.
in for engineering and approach the
Chairman that there were three Euro- I am sure they did not,
this end in view. Mr. Gerin approached peans in the Hongkong uffice, and the HE THE OFFICER ADMINISTERING THE
the Westinghouse people and finally he Chairman stated that that was a great deal more than the Tribunal allowed to to Mr. GovERs--With regard
was given their agency. Mr. Gerin asked Bent 70 members of its staff: to join the Adamson's question, to which you refer them to send. K_m2 out an expert elee remain in ally cases: Subsequently, in · Allied forces, I ask you to bear in mind Has Mr. Syme Thomson the expert trician and an engineer of experience answer to a question, Mr. Birrell stated that I realise to the fullest extent what knowledge, possessed by Mr. Baretto! a serious matter it is to stand in the way and Mr. Syme Thomson's reply "Not to enable him to carry out the require that his services were not required in of a young man going home to fight, and
to the same extent; I have only been in ment of their agency and, also, because he connection with the Westinghouse Com I wished the Tribunal to appreciate this, the job three and a half years," I do not wished to extend his business to include pany's plant coming forward for the I said that if Mr. Thomson were granted think it is contended that Mr. Syme machinery. Up till this time Mr. Gerin that he would be responsible for seeing.
machinery and particularly electrical Hongkong Electric Company. He added further exemption. I would do my utmost Thomson has Mr. Baretto expert know-
Laat it ran all right. Is soything else afterwards to carry on with the new man ledge. That does not show that the had confined himself to produce. In re- Mr. Culter, and I am afraid that the Tribunal did not recognise Mr. Syme people sent him out Mr. Birrell Mt Hongkong once, the two Europeana
sponse to this request the Westinghouse coming forward?
Mr. Loon-With regard to the Tribunal came to the conclusion from this that Mr. Thomson's services were really Thomson's vales to the firm.
Mr. DODWELL-They did not recognise Birrell had had five years experience not of much value to us. The Tribunal
Tribunal chiefly appeared to bave before may have been further guided or rather that I cannot safely do the business of with the Westinghouse people in electri-beside Mr. Birrell are two Swise. The
cal machinery and appliances and was arr
it the question of plant for, the Electria misguided-by Mr. Thomson's answers to this department without him.
put to him. At the original ILE THE OFFICER ADMINISTERING THE expert in that particular line. He was greeceding the answered, I think it was GOVERNMENT The next point you make put in charge of the Hongkong office. Company and the Dairy Farm contract. to Mr. Landale, that he was not a piece is that Mr. Thomson's enrolment as He is the only man in Mr. Geric's Incse, as a matter of fact, are projects panies, one of which, the Electric Com grads expert. At the last proceedings he sprang upon your firm at, a moment's business who has any experience whatever which are in contemplation by those com-
or knowledge, either of engineering or said, he was not an insurance export notice. I do not think that can be sug electrical appliances or anything of that paninvolves the pulsing up off the agree that he can hardly be considered rested. Exemption was given for three either of these, but he has had 3 years months at the first hearing description. He alone is capable of articute macoidery manufactured by the experience in our import and export Mr. DODWELL They did not appreciate handling, promoting and dealing with Westingacuse people. It was thought the electrical business they have on foot that it would be necessary for Mr. department, out of which be has been to my point. I am desirous of letting Mr. years in charge of it, and in consequence Thomson go and after the original three
I understand there are already on the birrels to remain here, but now it is is of undoubted value to us. In answer to Mr. Adamson, Mr. Thomson said that he months exemption was granted I tele way four complete electrical units from founa taat tae. Electric Company are SCIVES. As for the tour electrical units did not consider himself as much an expert graphed that I did not intend to resist the Westinghouse poople switch boards, perfectly competent to attend to at them ete. They have a couple of small engines which are coming forward, it would be in the import and export business as Mir is going. When I get back from Barretto. In case this statement should America, however, Mr. Baretto informs already in stock here and stocks of lead to a sunderstanding I desire theme that he is leaving us. That alters the various electrical accessories both in the possible for anyone, 1 might say, even Council to appreciate that Mr. Barretto entire situation. That is how the matter godown here and on the way. All this
is the result of the initiative of the HE. THE UFFICER ADMINISTERING THE is not an ordinary Portuguese export was sprung upon me at a moment's electrical and engineering branch of the GOVERNMENT--Could not, Mr. Geziz 16- clerk. He is well respected member of notice.ga qada
firm "The Canton establishment, consists. the Portuguese community, 43 years of
inain here, or spend his time between of one American who is 31 years of age age, with a lifelong experience in the
and married, and three Frenchmen, of were and Lanton Ply Spa Co
T/LOOKER-He is chiefly engaged in business, and, naturally, with his 33 year experience Mr. Thomson might not con- HE. THE OFFICKE ADMINISTERING THE Whom two are, under the orders of the visiting the various branches which range rroa Shanghai to Saigon. He appears sider himself as expert as Mr. Barretto GOVERNMENT-Your point is that if Mr. military authorities. One has already, But in any case, sir, if what we wrote to Syme Thomson is enrolled there will not understand, seen, service in lients. Be the singe on which the whole
One was called up for service there but the Tribunal, and what I said at the probe a sufficient degree of safety for carry-
business rests, and 'ir you take the screwa ceedings, do not make it perfectly clearing on the department. All firms have
on the urgent representation of the
aforeover, he has not the that we look upon Mr Thomson as an ached a point which cannot be regarded Consur in Canson the military authori- out of the ninge the door is apt to get export in the import and export
Es giving a sufficient degree of safety. ties allowed him to remain where be a little loose.
The COLONIAL TREASURER-It was Mr. Baretto who sprung it upon you'l
Mr. DODWELL-Yes..
H.E. THE OFFICER ADMINISTERING THE
GOVERNMENT-During the proceedings ho for the Tribunal, Me: Birrell told the
to affur them for sale without a consider sule knowledge of their working
I desire to emphasize that fact now Hair: DODWELL" I cannot take the risk was. The other Frenchman is only 21 least notion of engineering or electricity
endeavour to make my case clear to Council I would like to mention the end of doing business in that 'department, in articles of export and import in which present cimumstances, without Mr. Thom on: How can you do business in all the ar. On the years articles I have enumerated if you have experience. Mr. Dodwell enumerated these articles, and continuing, said:Now no one to inspect the produce which the tnat Mr. Barretto is loving, Chinese delivery
years of age. Mr. Gierin has seen two rzenca representative in haiprong bas years service at the Front and the firm's also been on active service for two years and has been wounded. I mention these facts, to convince the Council that the war services of Messrs Gerin, Drevard
decision of the Tribunal 'takes away from HE, THE OFFICER ADMINISTERING THACO., sa i think, have been almost un
there is business to be done, and what
"Last':--
GOVERNMENT—Another point is regarding the state of trade and the fact that the amount of work cannot be anything approaching what it was a
Mr: DOPWELL-I would like to say, in answer to that, that I was surprised to find, on my return, that our estimated profit and loss account up to the end of Beptember was more than it was last
years
3
and it would be ag hopeless for hum to
ing as it would be for me
w attempt to sell these units that are com in answer to a question on this point, Mr. GERIN said he had no knowledge except that gained in aviation work,
in reply to the COLONIAL TREASURER it was pointed out that there was a British. and an American and a French Westing- aouse Company all of which were entirely separate an
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us the only man
our office who has any expert knowledge of these articles, and
equaled in the nistory of any arm in not only takes him away, but takes him
as Colony, 6r, perhaps, in the Far East, Mr. Gerin is himself necessarily engaged
TLDOZER-Mr. Birrell has had five. Away at a moment's notice. Now, sir, I
years experience with the Westinghouse think it must be apparent to anyone pre
in travelling round from branca to sent in this Council Chamber, whether he
branca supervising the business prenosi concern whose agency Mr. Gezin bag now be a merchant or no, that, no firm could
tions going forward and making arrang secured. That agency, of course, will run such an luportaut department aa this
ments for others. He is unable to devote inevitably be absolutely in abeyance and without a man who knows sufficient about
himself to any particular branch and, of will probably be given to someone else. the qualities, grades, etc., of the various
A course, nas o experience whatever init Mr. Birrell is taken mest articles to enable him to efficiently inspect.E. THE OFFICEI ADMINISTERING TEX machinery. The firm have large con-
The COLONIAL TREASURER-Exemption purchases and negotiate sales. I admit
GOVERNMENT - Would that necessarily tracts both on foot and contemplated that business in exports and imports isolve a larger amount of work with respect to machinery for the Far can only be claimed on the ground that the party is essential to British trade in restricted owing to circumstances, but Mr. DonWELL-Certainly it would. The East and they are already carrying out
the Far East. restricted business ons does now is sur various arrangements which have been
LooxIt seems to me that it is. there is, I contend, should be energetically rounded with pit-falls which did not exist entered into with the authorities in Hai essential generally to British trade in sought after by the British Sraus, both in before
phong and Saigon Mr. Birrell joined the Far East that, at the present time. the interests of the Colony and the COLONIAL SECRETARY-Is there any the Defence Corps some two or three everyone engaged je Kritish trade should
sterests of to irele Empire. leave to refer the Council other member of the firm who has smooths ago, but pending the decision of have the opportunity of obtaining
I would ask to a short extract of a speech made by Sir Enowledge of this particular work Mr. the Tribunal understand he has not electrical machinery, and appliances if Auckland Geddes at Manchester in July Thomson does?
been allotted to any particular company they want them. One of the great Mr. DODWILL-No, not a single member It seems clear that he would be an ex troubles from which British trade suffers In order that we may be sure that our of the arm has any knowledge. Mrtremely valuable member either of the of the moment is that the machinery re quired cannot be obtained. It is through armies are not crashed and that they are Lester and Mr. Weall and Mr. Thomson, engineers' company or on the lights, and able to stand the strain which Germany, besides Mr. Baretto, were the four men I would submit that, at the present june Messrs Gerin, Drevard & Co. and Mr. ture, Mr Birrell's services as a trained Birrell that the Government are obtsin- without doubt, has the power to imposs upon who had experience of that department. 19, we must have men, and men for the The COLONIAL SECRETART Has Mr electrician are far more valuable in this ing electric cables from America with fighting line; but not only for the fighting Baretto, definitely left you already Colony they would be it he was taken to which it is proposed to connect Hong- line. There is something more than a fight Mr. DouwHe leaves at the end of serve as a private soldier elsewhere kong with the islands and ing line in an army. Behind the fighting
Spy There is, as the Council knows, a very the month. S
The DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WOKES-Wa line there are rearward services. Here in The COTCHIAL SECRETARY There is no serious shortage of electrical engracers; could obtain them from America without this country is the very centre, the very prospect of keeping him1kw and of any engineers, and I submit the any agency here. heart, of the Alliance, and we must retain bere sulicient forces to make it absolutely Mr. Dopwat did my utmost to useless for the Germans to attempt arid induce him to stay. I offered him can let alone an invasion (Cheats) But there siderably more salary but he has got a is something more. Our fature, the future partnership agreement with a Portuguese of your bonesus, depend upon our position that is making a lot of money now throughout the world, our prestige and an annot compete with that. power, and while we are thinking of the The ArrozsZ-GEEL-There is no forces in France and Flanders we have to prospect of getting any other expert joggyal, remember that is our only interest although it is of vital Interest But the DonWELL-I don't see any likeli Last Rao calls. You know whas the Exet hood at all Pr means to you and to the business of England. The ATTORNEY-GENERAL-I don't mean and the East calls for men to maintain our English position. And somehow out of our available Mr DoDWELD The Portuguess firms man-power we have to provide, not only for are making so much money now that, it Production which will give the funds to carry is impossible to get an expert Portu pa the war, but for the forces, which will meet, and I hope and believe defest, t
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are gradually getting German effort, and forces which will main all the tain our power and prestige throughout the
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interests of the Colony would be best. The CouOBIAL TREASURER--You havés served by retaining him here in that told us that Mr. Birrell is a qualified capacity. I would also submit, in view engineer. I think he said before the of the history of the firm as detailed to Tribunal that he was not an engineer. the Council their previous status, the Mr. Looks I may, perhaps, hava closing up when war broke out and the loosely used a term which may, or efforts of Mr. Gerin to re-establish the not, have misled you. AI understa trade when discaarged from the Front Mr. Birrell is what is known and to extend his range of business commercial engineer; that is to that it would be extremely hard upon man who has been in engineering works his firm, if, having engaged an engineer where he has gained special experienos with special experience to look after the and training and a thorough knowledge ngency of this large American engineer of the firm's machinery and appliances, ing concern, that man should be taken which enables him to sell them and to away from them. It would mean, as I see that they run after being set up. am instructed, that thin department thus rendering him an expert on the would have to be closed down. I submit subiectwww.rea that the war services of the firm are such The COLONIAL SECRETARY—I think it se will be readily recognised by the was also stated before the Tribunal the Council and that the Council will not he does not set up mɛchinery is that he mur a penulisa, either the firm's, patriotism, or does no more than sell machinery WRE