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is included the correct statement as re- gards the staff at the outbreak of war would be six
H.E. THE GOVERNOR There is one lady- Now I would like to ask you whether you have made any attempt to get a sub- stitute for Mr. Johnstone?
Mr. Ross THOMSON-No, sir."
H.E. the GOVERNOR-Why have you nut
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where I am. Moreover, I do not ca Mr. Ross THOMSO-I want to know much eliance of obtaining a satisfactory substitute and I should have to consult the Head Office.
H.E. THE GOVERNOR-As a practical
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the main question is experience Thri Mr. Ross THOMSON-In that office, air, young man has been there for three years. He is not a great business man; that is not contended, but the substitution which much easier in a smaller business. In a son speak of would, in my opinion, be smaller business the man who is acting salvation. In a large business, depart- as a substitute can work out his own mentally worked, the substitute man has to be a cag in a mnehine; he has to fit not perform his own work but he inter in and if he does not be not only does feres with others performing theirs.
THE APPEAL TRIBUNAL liner repaisition to the British Govern Great Britain at the present time the ment. More ima fifty vessels were to be importance of auch work as those mon MESSRS, BUTTERFIELD) & SWIRE employed, and to ran such a business it ware doing was fully and freely recog would be absolutely necessary that there nised, Only the other day he came should be a reasonably efficient stuff. If naross a Home appeal addressed to work The Governor-in-Counci) sat in the there was not, the greatest dangers woulders overseas which struck him as interest- Council Chamber yesterday morning to be incurred; there would be delays, con- ing. He would quote a passage:-"That consider an appeal by Messrs. Butterick fusion, loss, and the service conducted in lines from this country must be reloaded & Swire from the decision of the Con- the interest of the Government would be to return ro at the earliest possible Could ask a safer guidescription Tribunal that no exemption interfered with.
You
With regard to the moment You workers of all grades Certainly no one is better qualified would be granted to J. R. Johustons, I, importance attached, to that work benshore and affort, you can get that ship w. Meinigro and R. J. Rastline temporace to send a letter from the round in record time if you will; 6 any to judge a musical instrument. Tribunal also decided that exemption Ministry of Shipping to the Controller rate, you can make sure that she will be in do not happen to be a business They know music. Their life work should not be granted to H. J. Nairn, but of Passports in connection with the grant. ready to sail on schedule, and we ask, but I have had 25 years' experience
arrangements have been made to have his ing of a passport to one of their return you to do it. Even you clerks in your very great deal to convince me that
of Government Service-it will take a is music. And Melba, McCormack
case reconsidered.
ed men who arrived here a few days ago. offices, don't think you cannot help, be-
Youth of 20 years of age, whose work, H.E. the Governor presideil, and there There was a question as to a passport cause you can. Caruso, Farrar, Galli-Curei, Cluck,
I venture to say, is principally clerical, You can make sure that cannot be substituted. I have before me Homer and a host of other world- Officer Commanding, the Colonial Secre- as a result of the Man-Power Bill and of lading are right and that nothing is were also present HE. the General bring granted to that man in England all those consignment notes and bille
a list of nanies. famous artists have chosen thetary, the Attorney General, the Colonial an appeal was made to the Ministry of hung up at the ship for want of papers. Treasurer, the Director of Public Works, Shipping to see whether they could Les no-one imagine that any of this is Victrola to carry their superb art on
and Sir Paul Chater. The Hon. Mr. H. assist. Victor records exclusively to all the E. Pollock, K.C., Mr. N. J. Stabb and
trifling; it is not. There is no line of (The letter containing a strong recom- human endeavour in which little things Mr. GH Hay were also present as mendation from the Ministry of Ship-ay lead to more tragis consequences world
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ping to the Passport Office to the effect shipping nothing that makes for the than in ships. While we are so short of Mr. Ross Thomson and Mr. C. that the member of the firm's staff then efficiency of the shipping we have left, "Young" rep vsented the firm.
in England should receive a passport however small it may appear in itself, is
unimportant." H.E. THE GOVERNOR (to Mr. Ros was read.)
In that matter the firm, felt it was ThomsonThe Tribunal has decided that Replying to His Excellency Mr. huir duty to bring those facts to the three men in your firm should not be Thomson said that this man's ago was, overruled and the men were taken away that. At the same time thees are strik Tribunal's notics. If their appeal was H.E. THE GOVERNOR-I understand exempled. You have appealed against he thought, about 34 or 35. He had been from shipping it night lend to difficulties ing examples of substitution in Hong- that decision and you have sent us
a long time in the East. With regard with the shipping traffic they handled for Banking business is much more expert und serious consequences in connection kong. Take a big institution-the Bank. memorandum, which we have considered to the occan steamers, thin agencies of the the Government. As the consequences business than the business in a shipping Take the case of Mr. Johnstons first. Ocean and China Mutual Steamship Com might be very serious it was imperative office, and there have been some very not- is in the China Navigation Shippingpanies of Liverpool, all the steamers of that they should be able to say that they able examples of substitution there, and
those lines that had not been directly difficulties.
had fully pointed out all the dangers and they are working very well, according to That was the reason why the reports made to me. Mr Ross THOMSON said that since the taken up by the Government for trans they had made the appeal.
They were The men substitutes taken at very short notice. I appeal papers had beec sent in further port work were under liner requisition decided that it was proper for them to people, men over-age who have had large themselves were anxious to go if it were have in my hand a list of all sorts of information had reached them, which he to the Government and were, working do so. They were all before the Com- business experience, One of these man would like to take the opportunity of under similar conditions to the China mission last year. They were not ap
had shipping experience in Butterfeld & submitting. The first statements sent to Navigation Company.
pealing to the Tribunal to allow thoto Swire's for over 10 years, and yet you. The boats that
men to escape from an unpleasant duty, have not taken the trouble even to en- the Tribunal wore made as short and as were running under liner requisition and It was just the opposite for they were guire what local material there is to conciso as possible and they then shortly coming to China, Japan and maintain would be wrong to let them go and do what is the most important thing in trying to convice the Tribunal that it enable these three young men to go and stated the facts in the form they thought ing the service across the Pacific, had that their proper place was to continue the world at the present moment. would be most suitable, but it now carried a great number of troops, many
in the useful work they were doing. Mr. appeared that they were wrong in that thousands of coolies and
Thomson went on to draw the Tribunal's and that it would have been a great deal stuffs for: Great Britain."
nd essential food.
attention to the fact that none of the They were companies the firm represented were re- better if more detailed information had only filled with essential cargo tirgentlygistered locally, but were registered in been supplied. They had given that deceded in Great Britain. The Hongkong full Imperial taxation. The carnings of Great Britain, and thus became subject to tail in the statement which had now.
office had the control of those lines for the companies did not merely go to benefit been sent in, but he wished to add a few the Far East and had a great deal of cosmopolitan shareholders resident in the further facts. The firm's business her work to do. They controlled all the busi
Far East. They bore the full burden H.E. THE GOVERNOR-Twenty-five yours. of Imperial taxation, including income of age. In the Ocean Steamship office was confined to a small number of tines,ness done in the Far East, including tax and excess profits tax, from which you have four Europeans now against They wore not general merchants and did Shanghai, Japan, the ports of the very large revenue accrued to the Im-six before the war. How many wonnen not buy or sell any gooda, for the busi-Pacific coast of America, Singapore, the Treasury. On hearing the deci-have you taken on in that office since thes
sion of the Tribunal he had telegraphed war?
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Mr. Russ THOMSON-It is not a ques tion of taking trouble. I am not yet in a position to make such inquiries." "I- should like to consult ny Head Office.
H.E. THE GOVERNon-Very well, let us in caly 25 years of age. go on to the ease of Mr. MoIntyre. He
Mr. Ross THOMSON--He has been work ing in the business for eight yours.
to the Head Office in London saying that Mr. Ross THOMSON-ODE. ping in all its forms, building ships, se. The work of the department had not subsequently they had been informed that put to you the question whether you four men were being taken, although H.E. THE GOvenson-Again I have to pairing them, managing and bandling decreased, and the risks arising from Mr. Nairn's case was being reconsidered, have taken any steps to find a substitute thcin. There was also the sugar refinery excessive reduction of the staff were and the reply he had received was for the junior clerk 23 years of age, in business. The insurance business was a
Nairn especially essential to retain, the shipping office of the Ocean Steato- even greater than in the case of coasting alsa Rawlinson. Do your utmost Staff, ship Company. large one and they represented some five vessels, because they were larger vessels your port, China and Japan already Mr. Ross THOMSON The answer is the or, six British companies of fire insur making longer voyages and in more reduced to breaking point even without same as with regard to Jolmstone. But you extra Government work, present and say "this junior clerk.". Will you permit` ance and four or five marine insurance - direct communication with Great Britain. prospective. Fully expect would be me to say that that is a misnomer for z companies. The staff of that department He bad endeavoured to obtain some exempted if here." This expectation was man who has had eight years' business had been reduced to a minimum and there figures regarding British tonnage which the Ministry of Shipping already quoted is Bot worth something by that time be in line with the terms of the letter from experience and is 20 years of age. If he were no men of military age employed in came into the port of Hongkong, and as Mr. Thomson said that even if after his never will be. That man is doing in- it, so that he did not think that it needed for as he could make out about 3,000 arguments they decided to take some men portant work and we have only men away he suggested they should take Mr.doing important work at the present any further reference. Five-sixths of the vessels arrived during 1917. Of that Johnson, the least experienced man intime All the subordinate positions, as Grm's other staff was concerned with number 609 were handled by his firm the office, and grant temporary exemption Isaid just now, are taken over by women to Mr. McIntyre, so that in the meantime and Chinese. A man 25 years old, work- shipping business and the remaining one which was a proportion of over twenty Mr. Davis, who was a sick man going ing in a large business, with eight Fears sixth with the business of managing the per cent. This shipping department had away, could return and carry on the experience, if he is not then competent Taikoo Sugar Refinery, As the Sugar been doing a great deal of additional work. He felt confident that if all the to run important business he never will Refinery concerned the smaller staff he work for the Government. A number information he had now produced had he
Been placed before the Tribunal their H.E. THE GOVERN01-There are men would refer to that first. The sugar roof ships had been built here and they decision would have been different. He on the substitution list who have even Guery business in the Far East was in bad son to the manning and the que extent and he could now only leave it and there are men of considerable experi- had explained the matter to the fullest more tiuin eight years business expérience augurated in this Colony and the Colony tion of supplies. Ships were being built in the hands of these presentence in the Government Service which H.E. THE GOVERNUR-I should just like is not a bad training ground-who are bad for many years a monopoly in the in Japan and their Japan office had Für Kast The Taikoo establishment was been superintending the work connected to read a telegram from the Controller available for substitution. Our experi of Shipping. The Controller of Ship duce in other directions has been that the largest in Asia, but those bappy days with those vessels in consultation with ping represents that the maintenance of these men pick up work extremely quick- had gone and the monopoly had long the controlling office here. At the be Messrs. Butterfield & Swire is of highly and are giving great satisfaction. I national importance and is of the opinion am now going on to the case of Mr. passed away. For the past twenty years ginning of the war, as men began to go that national interests demand that all Rawlinson. What you have to say about there had been competition from other on service, their Head Office instructions the men necessary to efficiently carry on Mr. Rawlinson is very striking. The quarters. Formerly Hongkong supplied had been to obtain women and trained the work should remain unhampered as firm says he was transferred to the office under present conditions such people of the Taikoo Sugar Refinery to replace all the refined sugar that went to Japan, Chinese to fill the gaps wherever possible, cannot be provided from Great Britain. Mr. Davis Mr. Rawlinson, the firm bat now Japan had established refineries and in response to that they had taken The Shipping Controller, however, adds, says, occupied a very important desk in
that he does not wish to raise any the shipping office, where he was in charge. of her own. Formosa was also a great on eleven women in the Hongkong office question of individual cases on which the of the collection of all the freights carn- sugar producing country, and there also It was not possible to get highly trained local authorities are, of course, insted by steamers I mention incidentally sugar refineries had been established, women locally and they had gone as far judges. Now, in the first place, I would that that does not sound to me very
like to mention that if these men were in technical work. To replace Mr. Rawlin That bad compelled them to change their as Canada for some of them. They had England-Johnstone, McIntyre and Rawson, who occupied this important desk, methods of doing business, and under also brought on for superior positions insos-all of them being under 20 years the frin put on trink-the work being theso competitive conditions
conditions a great deal nine additional Chinese who were now of age, they would have been taken with purely clerical, those are the words used out any further question. The need for in the memorandum-a trained capable more work was imposed upon the office working in the European office. They men has been so great that, as you may business woman from Canada. The firm staff, and be submitted that to conduct had strlised the services of women and have seen from the Home papers, so inany goes on to say that this lady has proved
agricultural labourers were taken that the the business with a head office staff of Chinese to the fullest possible extent agriculturalists represented to the British this Mr. Rawlinson had had no experi
very satisfactory in the position. Now less than three mon was simply out of From the office staff in the Far East, and Government that too many had been enge in the sugar refinery work.
taken and that the crops and so on would the question. Thres men in that office he meant purely the office staff, thirty suffer. We all know that the food supply worked in the sugar department.
Mr Ross THOMSON He had already were all holding positions of trust. If eight men had gone to the front and two is a vital necessity in this, war; yet the H.E. THE GOVERNOR-Anyway he was the refinery was forced to curtail its more in the North were now about to reply of Sir Auckland Geddes to these doing in the Decan Steamship Company's activities reduce its work-some hundreds leave. Of those, twelve had gone from news. We must have men," and office work which though so very import
they took them, leaving the agricultural ant was purely clericalketa of local workmen would be thrown out of the Hongkong office. For the superior ists to do the best they could. The whole Mr. Ross Tuousox-I think we do not“ employment, apart from any other con positions they had always found it neces of what you base said would be an quite understand each other in regard extremely powerful argument against to the word clerical, I mean that the sideration. It was one of the largest in sary to obtain home trained men, and taking any of the senior staff in your work had to be done sitting at a desk.
HB. THE GOVERNOR-Ï...... ONLY.dustries and labour employers in the that was a principle on which they had office. We do not want to be told by the
Colony and was, he believed, recognised, been working for many years. Of the this Colony is of vital necessity. We Mr. Ross THOMSON My own work is
Controller of Shipping that shipping in that.
an a very itaportant asset of the Colony men being considered one of them, Mr. know that. We have been brought up on purely clerical. Mr. Stabb's is purely Four-fifths of the remainder of the staff Johnstone, was » local youth and was the that doctrine, but it is impossible for me. clerical used in the sepse that it is used
at any rate in this room, to believe that were occupied with shipping, and all the only local youth they had. He had been a youth, locally engaged twenty years of
H.E. THE GOVERNO-So is mine.
shipping they handled with the exception with them for three years and was 21 age, is indispensable. I and that your of one steamer on the Canton river was years of age. Mr. McIntyre had bad and is now four, including Mr. Johu
en pre-war staff in this department was five doing direct Government work. Dealing eight years business experience, four stone. I would like to ask you whether with the China Navigation Company, years of which was in the Fast and four which owned and managed coastang and years at Home. Mr. Rawlinson had had river vessels only, all the ships with the nine years' business experience, four exception of river craft were on full or years here and ive years at Home. In
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of the China Sugar Refinery was five HE. THE GOVERNOR The pre-war, staff Europeans and it is now thren Europeans you have engaged say ladies in this do with thres ladies engaged since the war- partment
SEI put it to you that by increasing the Mr. RoяS TROMBON NO. There is a number of these ladies and drawing upon Canadian lady referred to, but she is not the substitution list, which is an extra- included in those figures. She is not in ordinarily strong ent, it would be a very the shipping branch of the office. If she easy matter to find a substitute for this