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TRIBUNAL
SECOND MEETING. SEVEN OUT OF NINETEEN ALJOWED
[TO`GO
The second meeting of the Hongkong Conscription - Tribunal was held at the Council Chamber, yesterday afternoon. There was again is full attendance of members. The Han, Mr. E H SUP K.C. OB.E, presided, the others pro sent being the Hon. Mr. David Landale, Comdr. C. W. M. Beckwith, B.N., Llcuts Cod. W. H. Passby, C-R A., and Messra,
W. Adamson, G. B. Archbutt, T. Hough, A. 0. Tang, and G. M, Young Major H. A. Morgan, 18th Infantry Indian Army, was prosent as the Military Authority, and Mr. AG. M. Fletcher,
as Clerk to the Tribunal.
business The CHAIRMAN-Two seniors and four peculiar in one respect. It is largely juniors, making six altogether. The technical as are many other businesses reduction in the shipping office, therefore, but if a mistake is made it may bo- has been from eleven to six. We also very large financial one. Insurance by gather, Mr. Landale, that the firm is its nature involves reinsurance and if prepared to allow to go from the shipping there is not proper supervision it would offer, Mr. MacDonald, who is 21. years be impossible to estimate what financial old and single, and who himself does not lose there might be ask for exemption; and we understand that, subject to certain provisions which been mentioned to me by a member of the The CHAIRMAN That point has just wo will consider, later, the firm is preTribunal. pared to let him go practically at once.
With regard to Mr. Railton, also, who is 24 years old and single and who does not two or three months delay in view of ask for exemption, except that he wishes interesting engagements, we understand that the firm does not oppose his going, subject to the delay referred to, the delay being required both in Mr. Railton's
firmed by one of your own body. I do not think there is anything more except
Mr. LEEFE-I am glad it has been con
that the business of this department of that I hope you will appreciate the fact
The position of Mr. Hollands was also mentioned, and Major Morgan having announced that he had nothing to say, the Tribunal proceeded to consider their decision.
that the men would be exempt.
Subsequently the Chairman announced
MR. G. E. GOLDSBOROUGH. The next case was that of Mr. G. E. Goldsborough, steward, Hongkong Club.
The CHAIRMAN You were formerly in the Hoyal Artillery. You do not ask for exemption 1-No, sir.
The CHAIRMAN-We have a letter from
saying they are prepared to spare you in the Committee of the Hongkong Club
Mr. GoldSBOROUGH—I want to know.
Messrs. Jardine, Matheson & Co com- these circumstances. prises two classes- fire and marine-ond we have only one assistant in each brauch, what allowance will be made for my wife
The CHAIRMAN With regard to the Im-and children. port Department, we understand that the
The CEAIRMAN Certainly. As you are firm is prepared to allow Mr. Johnstone, aware, a scheme is now under discussion, who is 10 years old and single, to go. He but is not exactly fixed. You come within does not ask for exemption and the firm that, and your wife and children come does not oppose his going. Moreover, Mr. within it. You have also drawn our
does not ask for exemption and the firm Tribunal, to another dependent for whom does not oppose his going, but asks for
With re- you have to make provision.. gard to that matter if you s60 Mr. temporary exemption.
Fletcher and explain the circumstances the Tribunal will make some recommenda tion as is proper in regard to it. Your wife and children will be provided for under the scheme the exact details of
own. interests and in the interests of the There were 19 cases for consideration,
firm. altogether. Sixteen vero empilbyes of Mr. LANDALE-He asks for three months Mesere. Jardino, Matheson & Co. and the
· and the... The CHAIRWAY - That is two men from China Strar Refinery, while the wiler that department Mr. MacDonald and three were Messrs. G. E. Goldsborough, Mr. Railton; and we understand, Mr. steward of the Hongkong Club; Landale, that you put it to us, in view Mackenzie, who is 16 years old and single, attention, in the form you sent to the. Findlay Smith, barrister; and W. F Gibbins, sub-manager of Messrs. Wilkin son, Haywood & Clark. Of the 10, Boven were set free for military servios, as follows:--
Mers Jardine, Matheson & Co., Ltd. A. MacDonald, to go at once. A: C. Jolinstone, to go at once. NL Railton, three months exemption. W. W. Mackenzie, three months' exomp
tion.
Others.
G. E. Goldsborough, to go at once. V Findlay Smith, to go at once, W. F.Gibbins, three months' exemption Exemptions,
The following were exempted.
Messrs. Jardine, Matheson & Co. G. H. Piercy, A. B. Stewart, K. de C. Longmire, P. Tod, A. C. Davison, R. M Austin, D. McMurray (who is leaving Hongkong shortly on Government service) and J. R. Harling. The following men of military age in the employment of the firm have been rejected as unât; E. J Surman, N. McIntyre, C. Hodgson and D. L. W. Williams.
China Sugar Refinery-H., Tavish, H. E Hollands, W. Singer and Lee. The following men of military age in the service of the Company have been rejected as unfit--A. 11. Forbes, (, W
of the provions reduction in the staff from eleven to six, and to the fact that it may now be still further reduced by two more, that Mr. Longmire and Mr. Tod cannot be spared You request! exemption for them.
Mr. LANDALE They cannot be spared, and I would like to point out that the shipping office is only able to make this reduction because Mr. Aucott is due back here and we have Mr. Williams from Japan in Hongkong now. Our shipping office in Shanghai, also, is very short and may have to draw on us.
The CHAIRMAN-There is only one other name in this department- Mr. McMurrny, the Superintendent Engineer of the Indo- China Steam Navigation Company. We understand he is going to Bombay to look after ships requisitioned by the Govern- ment. Is he going immediately?
Mr. LANDALAYes.
Mr. LANDALE We ask for three months, The CHAIRMAN--In that department the firm takes up the position that it cannot spare either Mr. Harling, Mr. Stewart, or Mr. Austin,
Mr. LANDALE Mr. Stewart and Mr. Which are not settled yet, but it is not air Austin do not belong to that department,ungenerous scheme.
Mr. GOLDSBOnough--I should like to Mr. Harling does.
know what they are.
The CHAIRMAN-The European staff of this department has been reduced from ten before the war to four now. Is that correct 1
Mr. LANDALE No, from ten to live. The CHAIRMAN-You do not oppose either Mr. Johnstone or Mr. Mackenzie guing, subject in the second case to three months exemption.
Mr. LANDALE We cannot on account of their age. We have two men coming out
The CHAIRMAN—And that is Govern- from Home, ment work?
Mr. LANDALE Government work.
The CHAIRMAN-The next department is Methe Insurance Department. Again the Tribunal has very carefully rend the papers submitted. We understand that Hongkong is the Head Office of the Canton Insurance and the Hongkong Fire Ingrance Companies. We understand
Hart, J. C. Samway and R. H. White
ford
that one gentleman, at present in that
department and appearing in our list,
The CHAIRMAN We understand that Mr. Stewart is a chartered accountant and head book-keeper.
We ask for his
Mr. LANDALE Yes, exemption.
The CHAIRMAN-And Mr. Austin? Mr. LANDALE-Ho is one of the very few confidential assistants.
The CHAIRMAN-It is impossible to say exactly.
Mr. GoLospononen-What about the insurance policy?
The CHAIRMAN-Details of the scheme not decided; they will be decided
are
Mr. Golosanovo-I do not think it
within the next few days.
is right to send a man away leaving his
wife and children to starve....
The CHAIRMAN-There is no question of that. The scheme is probably the most generous in the world. It will be publish- ed in a week or 80% You will not go before that.
Mr. GOLDSBORUvcn-I am willing to go any time so long as I know my wife nad family are provided for, I am willing to go now. k
The CHAIRMAN--That will be done. The The CHAIRMAN-You do not oppose the details are not settled, but they will cer Naturally, the Hon Mr D. Landale
enrolment of the four-Mr. Johnstone, tainly be on a very generous scale. Your did not sit as a member of the Tribuns has been ordered home by, the doctor Mr. Mackenzie, Mr. MacDonald and Mr. can see Mr. Fletcher regarding the other
practically immediately. The names, Railton. Continuing, the Chairman arrangements,
when the case of the employes of Jardine Matheson & Co. and the China Sugar Refinery were being considered...
MESSRS. JARDINE, MATHESON & CO.
The Chairman (to Mr. Landale) - You are appearing on behalf of your firm. Mr. Landale 7
Mr. LANDALE-Yea
The CHAIRMAN You are familiar with the proceedings of the Tribunal and, as you will know, all the members have read very carefully all the papers which have been sent in. With regard to the firm's war record we notice that in Hongkong the European staff at the outbreak of war was 35; the others, including ano ludy, numbered 21 To-day these numbers have been reduced as to the European staff from 35 to 23, including some juniors who have been engaged locally, while the non European staff has been increased from 24 to 25. Already from the Hongkong office 15 have left for military service.
therefore, which we have to deal with are Mr. Davison and Mr. Piercy. With regard to these men we understand that the arm cannot spare them.
Mr. LANDALE We ask for exemption, The CHAIRMAN--No particular return
addressing all the men in turn, asked if any of them had anything to say, remark- ing that the Tribunal knew that they were not claiming exemption on their own behalf.
All replied in the negative, except Mr. has been made comparing the pre-war Railton, who asked to be allowed to numbers in this department with these address the Tribunal subsequently on the today. Shall you, when the gentleman question of allowances. who is going home under doctor's orders his left, have a reduced staff? What will
your position
bre
MP. LANDALE Before the war we had heads of departments three Europeans, now we have two Europeans.
The CHAIRMAN Are you including the gick man?
Mr. LANDALE-We are taking him out↑ The CEAIEMAN-Then when he has gone you will be two short of the number of the pre-war staff!
Mr: LANDALE-One short.
The Tribunal then considered their decision in private and afterwards the Chairmua announced that Mr. MacDonald and Mr. Johnstone might go and that Mr-Railton and Mr. Mackenzie might go
also, but in their cases the three months' exemption asked for would be granted. The others would be for the time being exempt..
THE CHINA SUGAR REFINERY;
The cases of those men of military age in the service of the China Sugar Refin- ery were then considered-W. J. Singer, Lieut. Col. FASTBY Is the insurance H. E. Hollands, H. M. McTavish and of the Colony
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MR. V. FINDLAY SMITH.
The next case considered was that of Mr. V. Findiny Smith.
The CHAIRMAN-You are a barrister, but not, I think, actually practising?
Mr. FINDLAY SMITH-NO. I am not applying for exemption; I wish to go.
The CHAIRMAN In those circumstances I do not think it is necessary to ask any further questions.
Mr. FINDLAY SMITH-I do not think. it is.
The CHAIEMAN-Then you will go. Mr. FINDLAY SHITH--Thank you.
MR. FAGIBBINS, The case of Mr. W. F. Gibbins wa the last case considered.
The CHAIRMAN-The members of the Tribunal have read your papers, Mr. Gibbins, and we understand that you are sub-manager of Messrs. Wilkinson, Hay- wood & Clark, paint manufacturers. You put it to the Tribunal that you ought to be exempted because it is in the Imperial interests that British exports should be inaintained.
gather from the papers supplied that 3
The CHAIRMAN-The Tribunal does not have left for military service,
Mr. LANDALE-I consider both Marine desire to ask you, Mr. Landale, any fur MT. LANDALE-A few in Shanghai have insurance and Fire Insurance of Imperial ther questions about the importance of on the bases of the reply of my principals Mr GIBBINS-That statercent is made not yet gone, but they are under orders interest and of essential interest to the the Refinery to Hongkong. The question to my request made at the latter end of to go.
Colony. It is of Imperial interest in the is only as to whether any of these men last year for permission The CHAIRMAN-The 15 from Hongkong sense that both of these Companies have can be shared. Mr. McTavish is one of The CHAIRMAN That is the view they
to go Home. have gone. The 63 from the Far Last absorbed largely to War Loans and of two chemists and you put it to the Tri- take have gone or are on the point of going essential interest to the Colony because bunal, Mr. Landale, that he cannot be Mr, GIBBIKS-Yes, I hope you will allow me to say, Mro business can be carried on without Landale, that the Tribunal is impressed both fire and marine insurance.
spared
The CHATEMAN: Is it not a fact that with the firm's war record. With regard
Mr. LANDALE -He cannot be spared. He the export of paint from England has,
and has been for some time, stopped?
Mr. GiMINS: Not entirely stopped-
have their head offices here.
marine
These
The CHAIRMAN-And Mr. Singer You
to the Shipping Department, we have two companies are local companies and is very important. read the very fall report from Mr. Butherland, who is manager of that The CHAIRMAN-If shipping is of Im take the view that Mr. Singer, who is 0 It has been curtailed for some few insurance is this month, and is married and is house months owing to Government control of foreman working on eight-hour shifts, certain commodities, but I understand cannot be spared. I suppose the point is from my principals that some substitutes a number of men are required to complete have been discovered and that it is merely these shifts?
perial interent required.
question of erecting plant to work those substitutes, when exports will again be flowing freely.
department, as to the importance of ship ping to the Empire and the Colony. With regard to that I may say that the Mr. LANDALY-Yes, absolutely ésential, and both marine and fire insurance are Tribunal fully recognisca it, and I will
required for the import business. ask you to say nothing further on that
Lieut. Col. Passey Is not insurance pointi The question with regard to
Mz. LANDALE-There are only three for shipping is merely the ordinary question work mostly clerical work?
the 24 hours. He cannot be spared unless of individual man that is to say, who mention something regarding the danger
Mr. LANDALE-Mr. Leefe would like to you can get anyone to replace him.
The CHALEMAN-Mr. Lee is a sugar, can be
spared.
You have sent us a and the impossibility of reducing the separate statement with regard to the staff. He has been our insurance manager shipping office showing who have already for some years. gone and what reduction there has been
Mr. Lere I have been head of the from the pre-war staff compared with Insurance Department for 10 years. That Sugar boiling, I take it, is expert work relative to the present position. to-day. From that we see that in the is iny qualification for addressing the An untrained man cannot do it.. shipping ofling at the outbreak of war, Tribunal. I do not want to add very you and sorez senior assistants and four
MT, LANDALE An untrained man can- juniors, making aleven altogether. To much to what has already been placed not do it. We bring them out from Eng-wrote to the Hongkong Government day you have two seniors and two juniors befory the Tribunal in writing, but I land as trained sugar-boilers.
boiler.
M. LANBALE--There are six · sugar boilers, and they work in pairs.
The CHAIRMAN-No one can be spared,
The CHAIRMAN They are not flowing. freely to-day, but are absolutely stopped.
Mr. GIBBING-Not quite stopped. The CHAIRMAN then read a telegrant and a letter from the Home authorities.
Continuing, he said: You have also of a letter which you copy
Bent
dated June Gib, in which you repost z