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ays whether the men are to go or whether they are to stay. From that decision of third reading on Monday.. next. I men have been discharged from the naval or bo low, cases, and under the Bil as it
the Tribunal thers will be an appeal open either to the man, or to his employer, or to the military authorities.
If the
poses, us at present advised, to take the tion thais, sir, especially in order that any menbers of the public who are affected by this Bill may realise clearly
apply, was omitted And men who military service of the Crown on the termination of their period of servier."
In sub-clause 2 of the same section the to include any Civil Servant in
donc.
Hon. Mr. Hotxoak-There will possibly now stands very freat hardship any be
HE. THE GOTEENUR-I am not pre- pared to accept that amendment.
Hon. Mr. POLLOCK-This is an amend
and I think they would wish to have this proviso carried to a division.
el decide that the man shall be that it is very necessary for them, if words decision is dismissed, the last that they have any suggestions to make, or an Enrolment List" were deleted, and
consider ang matalled on what the following words were added: To cut suggested to me by business men
and if the appeal
nanie
if they want the Bill
or vital point they
either the to approach overnment or one of the unofficial mem- making their suggestions known.
will then appear in the Eurolment List which will appear in the Gazette, and as soon as the name appears in that list be becomes a member of H.M's. Forces and bars of the Council for the purpose of before the commencement of this Ordinoxemption should be expunged was lost,
decide that any civil servant of or over the age of eighteen years, who shall not have attained the age of forty years ance, should be enrolled in the force."
Clause la sub-clause 1: the sentence remains so
ains so during the period of the war.
Hon. Mr. P. H. HOLYOAK-I do not
The said Tribunal is hereinafter re you, Ono exception is the case to which you,
know whether I clearly understood sir, have referred that is a man who
sir, but in your opening statement you ferred to as the Tribunal" was omitted,
Hon Mr HOLYOAK moved that in the volunteered for service outside the Colony remarked that the men who had pre- before the Military Service Commission, viously volunteered would be allowed to clause dealing with the constitution of before the 1st of May this year. It is not intended that any slur should be 80 home and serve at home with the the Tribunal, it should be made clear case has been enguired into the decision of
bat would that no meinter of the Executive Council Bucs under this Ject of getting a commis privileges should be appointed to the Tribunal, otherwise in appeal enges there would only be one unofficial member. TE H.E. THE GOVERNOR Į GIL, KOFFуe han member. But what I will say is If it should so happen that I this.
be
The amendment that the time-limit for the unofficial members all voting for it.
Bub-section 7 of section 4.was amended to read as
the words in brackets. as follows, representing the alteration ---
The Tribunal shall communicate fin writing) to each British subject whose such the Tribunal with reference to British subject. cast on any 314o whe
Clause Crenumbered 7, was amended present Ordinance; any man who goes
of those who come under conscription. I
to read as follows, the words in brackets under the new provisions There are
do not know whether that is so or not
representing gained. thousands and thousands of men--- ean-
Phening the alteration in
make a ints who have gone out from England but such is the impression I
it is so it is so unjust that of conscript
report to the Governor of the cases in are ennobling the name
which the Tribunal has decided carrying on the best traditions of think it possible. our race. We hope the men who go from
will do it in case the felt that the men who volunteered before treated who went away. under the Mili- tive Council to sit on the Tribunal that ground of exemption and also a report | be allowed to choose, as they would have under this Bill, There is nothing unfair Council in any appeal from the Tribunal decided that the British subject in ques
been able to do, had they been set free
on
deprived of the
2
enn hardly
H.E. THE GOVERNOR --They can take the
in that..
I
cannot accept the suggestion made by the
Hon. Mr. HOLYOK--Any man who that occasion, the kind of service volunteered and was not allowed to go is member represent is that the per subject in question.
now to be deprived of the financial pro
which they would enter, subject of course to the decision of the Army authorities. It was now intended to send those men Home if they prefer.
Anyone, it who is not, for the time being at all events, of military age must speak with great reluctance in support of any policy sacrifice which involves great personal on the part of others. There is an equal reluctance in advocating a policy which involves financial and business sacrifice. One can say this-that between these two kinds of sacrifice, as the Prime Minister said some little time ago in speaking of our sokliers and sailors, and I think the words might also be extended to the splendid men of our mercantile marine, nothing we can give up or suffer can eren faintly approach what they re
visions of this measure.
The COLONIAL TREASURER-He pleases himself.
The Hon. Mr. HOLYOAK-Then you force him under conscription.
The COLONIAL TREASURER-We don't force him
The Hon. Mr. HOITOAR- submit that grossly unjust. COLONIAL nothing unfair about it.
is
TREASURER-There
is
The Hon. Mr. HoLYOAK-It is a matter of opinion. There is one point upon which the Chamber of Commerce is very determined and that is that the economic strength of the Colony shall not be
to
tion should be enrolled, stating in every) caso the date on which such (decision) was communicated in writing] to the British
Clause 9, renumbered 10, section 1, pro- If an un-viding for the publication of names in the Gazette Enrolment List was altered to read us follows:
very
on garrison duty in India or elsewsted Executive Council is so strong numeri daily and hourly called upon to endure. to use conscripts for it.were intended that I think it could spare one meniber
Then let all help to lighten their burden and help to defend the Empire That is the call to the whole Colony, whatever our views on be and however we may differ on the details, now that it is pro- posed to send this little further instal- ment of men which we hope this legisia- tion will predace
The COLONIAL SECRETARY seconded the
motion.
Hon. Mr. H. E. POLLOCK-In speaking on the second reading of the Bill I shall of course not deal with mere matters of detail, which will be moved in Committes, but I should like to deal with a few questions of general principle, and I hope that you, sir, will be able, when you have heard what I have got to say, lo give a sympathetic hearing to a few suggestions I have to bring forward. Your Excel leney, in sending the telegram which was dispatched last night to the Secretary of State for the Colonies with reference to separate allowances and maintenance for the sea who will go under this Bill, also with ference to insuring their lives, Has rightly gauged the
ntial inembers which, I believe, is universal throughout this Colony
amely, that although a number of people will go under this Bill, provided they pass the tedical examination, it is the desire of this Colony as a whole that adequate should be made for their
It would be far better.
to
1
Hon. Mr. POLLOCK-That does not quite meet the point made by the hon.
Chamber of the Commerce The sonnel of the Trim and the Executive Council should be distinct. official member of the Executive Council is appointed to the Tribunal it would mean that there would be only one unofficial member of the Executive Coun cil in place of two for hearing appeals. For that reason I support the hon. mem- her representing the Chamber of Com merce, and I understand the unofficial members wish to divide on the point.
H.E. THE GOVERNOR-It is not an easy thing to form this Tribunal, especially Many at the present time when persons are absent from the Colony Tho cally and by the standing of its membera Tribunal. I do not think sit on this that purpose, that
bo any disadvantage. they should remais here fulfilling their myself there will military duties in the Colony and carry Hon. Mr. HOLYGAK In the case of an ing on the trade of the Empire at the unofficial member of the Excentive Coun same time. We should like an assurance eil being appointed to the Tribunal the that the men sent to India are to be used Executive Council will be deprived of one on active service and not for garrison of its representatives in appeal cases.
either in India or elsewhere such a grave ntter as this we do not Nothing is mentioned in the Bill; and think that is right. It is so important nothing has been said hitherto, on the that we must press for a division on the
It would be point. subject of repatriation. economically sound that every man from this Colony should be returned to this Colony at the close of the war at the earliest possible moment. Labour here 1ས trained and specialised, and it would take yearn to replace the training and experi- ence which will go from our shores when this contingent leaves us. We would ask for some assurance that the full force of this Government will be behind a request that the men-after peace has been declared and the war won, as we confid ently believe it will be all not be de tained for twelve months, as was the cast after the South African war, but shall the gives very existance to return hers after six months and has very man shall have bis passage paid back. further point which I wish to raise is on clause 4. As power of appeal is given under the Bill from any decision come
off-hand.
In
I would do
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Civil Servant in whose case
the Civil Servant should be enrolled. (1) Every person who has reported him. self at the office of the Deputy Assistant Adjutant and Quarter Master General under the pro visions of section 5 of this Ordin *ance.
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(e) Every person who has been con- victed of unlawfully failing so to report himself and who has not successfully appealed against such
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Provided that it shall be lawful for the Governor to omit from such Enrolment Lists the name of any person who before Military Service Commission for per the 25th day of May, 1918, applied to the
mission to volunteer for active service. outside the Colony
In the original draft of the Bill the date up to which the names of volunteers could be omitted from the Lists was June ist, but as the telegram relating to conscrip tion was published in May the Govern ment suggested that the date should be changed from June 1st to May 1st. Upon the motion of Mr. Pollock the date was finally altered, as shown above, to May 20th when the telegrami relating to the introduction of comsuription was actually
H.E. THE GOVERNOR-I will consider before our next meeting whether it is Competent for me under the instructions to provide in the Bill for the
Roval
commercial appointment by me of a man to sit in the Executive Council in place of any councillor who may be appointed to the Tribunal. Will that Batisfy hon. members? I do not know I cannot say to done. whether it can ba
Hon. Mr. HOLYOAK-I
not it stands, to pass the clause as it
Hou, Mr. POLLOCK-I think we had better have a division. If either an Executive Coelial money of the Council was appointed on the Tribunal it would mean the depletion of published, Athe Exsentive Council.
H.E. THE GOVERNOR-I do not that point. I do not see why an official low the second and third sections being member of the Executive Council should additions:
(1) The Tribunal shall for the purpose to by the Tribunal to the Governor-junct be appointed on the Tribunal so long Council no member of the Executive as the Tribunal has its substantial come of any enquiry which it is authorised mercial majority. I suggest that wander the provisions of this Ordinance to leave this clause over, and I may be able make, have all the powers of the Supreme to meet youfy you.
views in another way, if Court in respect of the following mat-
ters:- that will
This course was agreed upon Clause 5. his clause was added to the Bill in place
Authority, at any time or times, to order of clause il:
(1)It shall be lawful for the Proper any male British subject of or over the age of eighteen years, who shall not have attained the age of forty years before
.provisions your Excellency is aware, Council should be appointed to the Tri-
pur
not follow
Clause 13 was amended to read us fol-
(a) enforcing the attendance of wit- nesses and examining them on cath or otherwise;
() compelling the production of docu-
ments; and.
the
unofficial members of the Council had bunal. I should like your assurance on only time yesterday evening to consider that point. this telegram for a comparatively short.E. THE GOVERNOR-The hon. member time before it was dispatched and, there who represents the Justices of the Peace Additional suggestions in aid of the
I would ask leave to make a few spoke of the separation allowance. The to ha cffected which, I hope, will meet the separation allowance outside the reason we put in a sterling figure for with the approval of the Government Colony is that it seemed desirable to fix In the first place, in connection with the
towances it is proposed to pay outside some rate of exchange Two hundred The Colony, I shouted like to make two dollars in the Colony are two hundred
One is that I trust that the dollars, but the sterling equivalent is 30 the commencement of this Ordinance,atieud before this Tribunal, and every earlier words of the telegram applying and that seemed to us an unduly large attend at such time and place as may bo Civil Servant whose case may be to local allowances--that is to say that minimum allowance for a person going specified in the said erder and there to enquired into by the Governor under the
remarks.
eonTM
to
(r) punishing persons guilty of con-
tempt. (2) Every British subject ordered to
provisions of this Ordinance, shall, on path if so required, truthfully and fully answer all enquiries which inay be ad- dressed to suca British subject or Civil Servant by the Tribunal or by the Governor, as the case may bo, and eball produce any documente to his possession
or the Governor, as the case may be, may order such British subject or Livil Ser- vant to produce,
(3) li any such British subject or Civil
submit himself to be recdically examined an addition may be made in special cases outside the Colony It is not unreason put forward by the Tribunal-will also able to suppose that many persons going for the purposes of this Ordinance.
(2)- ny such British subject with apply to allowances made in sterling to outside the Colony will do so to join the wives of the men who, for reasons of friends elsewhere, but it is a ques-out lawful excuse fails to comply with health or other reasons, find it desirable tion upan which I have an open any such crder as is referred to in this section he shall upon summary conviction to go outside this Colony and Eve in mind. When the Secretary of State ru more temperate climate. I should also plies to my telegram I shall be quite be liable to a fine not exceeding two like some assurance that in some cases willing to discuss the matter further with hundred and fifty dollars and to impri
will, if it seems necessary, bo Dassages Another point, sir, which unofficial members. Passages and such sonment for any term not execeding six or under his control which the Tribunal | hope it will be possible to take into questions as rent and payment of inter-months.
Clause G, formerly clause 5, was altered sideration is the question of making some est on mortgages-these are all questions to read as follows:-use 5, was altered in my open- Subject to the provisions of section 3 payments, such as rent and possibly ing statement as some of the special con- of this Ordinance, it shall be lawful for Servant, as the case may be, fails to com- kind of grant in respect of periodical which I intended to allude interest on mortgages, The great desire siderations which might be put forward the Proper Authority to order any male ply with any of the provisions of sub- of the unofficial members is, as I by the Tribunal. We thoroughly agree British subject of or over the age of that these matters should be adequately that, as in England as shown by the eighteen years, who for the time being denit with and when I say adequately extract which I read just now--such stall be ordinarily resident within the 1 think our view, car wish, is that the assistance should be given, if necessary. Colony, and who shalt not have attained
the Government should inclino rather to the As regards the place to which men are age of forty years before the com liberel side than to the parsimonious side to be sent, that is really a question for mencement of this Urdinance, and who, the construction of the word adequate the military authorities. It has been upon the medical examination referred to With reference to the standard of men to stated thing they have decided to send in section 5 of this Ordinance, shall have be called up, I gather from what has just men to India to undergo training and been certified as medically fit for enrol fallen from the hon. and learned then to be drafted into a certain regiment in the force, to attend before the Attorney-General that Class Al only is ment. It does not say, where. The regi. Tribunal at such time and place as may
be prescribed in the salu proer: at present, intended to be called up, and ment might be serving in Palestine or
At the end of sub-section 5 the words am not quite sure whether I
clause (2) of this.section he shall upon summary conviction be liable to a nue of two hundred and fifty dollars and to imprisonment for any term not exceeding six months.
Mun not exceeding
Monday next?
The Hon, Mr. POLLOCK inquired whether permission would be granted for counsel, solicitors or other agents to appear for parties before the Tribunal and the Governor-in-Council. He said: I think that power should be inserted in the Bill itself. If the Attorney-General I also apprehended the learned in Mesopotamia or elsewhere. I would
at any one time" were added to the t has not drafted it may I suggest that the Attorney-General correctly-that all these like you to reflect that inen, are being sentence, Provided that any exebiption matter be brought up in Committee on men who are called up under this Bill stat from Shanghai and other places in granted on the ground of exceptional will be sent home to Great Britain and China. I have not ascertained to what financial or business obligations or
lace they are being gent, but there is domestic position shall not be for a longer Tribunal to fix its own proceedure. HE. THE GOVERNOR-Wo leave it to the that none of them will be sent to India.
The ATTORNEY-GENERAL That choice is no indication that the men are to serve period than three months 72. There is no objection to any man, if he given to those who volunteered before the on garrison duty on India; it is simply Milltary Commission.
stated that they will be sent there tor by the Attorney-General that total Hen. Mr. POLLOCK (continuing) training. If you wish, we can make a amount of exemption to be granted on believe that on this point the hon. mem-representation on the point to the Secre- the grounds of exceptional financial or
merce
like to address some question of re-patriation after the war is be extended from four months to six observations to the Council
the one on which we have additesed the of the words "six months in all, augstage and read a third time.
Hon Mr. POLLOCK moved the omission he finally passed through the Committee question of the place to
Secretary of State, already and, I think are to be sent. He mentioned the point the Casmber of Commerce has done so, gesting that no restriction should. ho
too. I thoroughly agree with the hon. placed on the Tribunal in the matter.
In sub-section it was
so desires, being represented before the Governor-in-Council by counsel, solicitor, or other agent, deputete The Council was then adjourned until
ber representing the Chamber of Com-tary of State for the Colonies. The business obligations or domestic position Monday at 2:30 pm, when the Bill will'.
that
referred of the six
on
The
Attorney-General-A stated period
to me this morning. I do not know, sir,
I need say any more just now upon member that men who have had rating besond which they cannot go will save any question of general principle, excopt, and experience out here should be return-
the point to which the months'
ed here as soon as possible, and when the exemption in all under clause 6, renum-
time comes I will emphasise that point bered 6 sub-section 6. It is the unani. as far as possible. There are one or mous wish of the unofficial members that two other points which members men end of sub-section 6tioned which I will leave over until the proviso at should be omitted, because we consider we come to them in Committee,
The Bill was then read a second time. that there may be cases in which it is
FINANCE COMMITTEE.
A meeting of the Finance Committes followed at which the Colonial Secretary presided
The Governor recommends the Conncil
Tribunal much embarrassment, HE. TAE GOVERNOR-It is a help to the Tribunal to have a limit to the periods of exemption which can be granted. If there is no definite instruction the Tribunal to vote a sum of six hundred dollars
($500) in aid of the vote Crown Solici will have great difficulty in ceasing
for's Office, other charges, extra legal Hon. Mr. desirable that the absolute limit, the Council went into Committee to con individual suggestion, I do not know The CHAIRMAN-Owing to the great Cause In the sentence, Civil Ber- agree to the substitation of nine months General and wrtain recent criminal whether any unofficial, colleagues would pressure in the offices of the Attorney-
the word personin place of nix.
vant means a
clause
to
is not my own expenses.
extend the TEAC
definite limit, of six months is the extended, and they would like Tribunal which it is proposed to create by this Ordinance to have the power to was changed to British subject. Hou, Mr. HOLYOAK-I think we want grant further exemption beyond the The sentence Competent Military the definite period withdrawn. period of six mouths. There will be, no Authority shall have the same meaning The ATTORNEY-GENERAL It will leave
A was added v doubt, other matters to discuss when the as in the Army Act," was
the Tribunal open to great criticism in Council is in Committee on this Bill. "I The numbers of
Made will also delay these men being made will only make one other remark and altered.rs of Various sections were the treatment of individual cases, and it that is this. I understand that although Clause 3-In subsection D, the follow-available for the Army
Hon. Mr POLLOCK-Presumably the this Bill will not pass beyond the Coming clause with reference to the class of anitice stage to-day your Excellency pro persons to whom the Ordinance shall not Tribunal will not act without good cause.
desirable that în
cases counsel should be instructed to pro- Cute This vote is to cover fees of counsel in two cases and the cost of an
The vote was agreed to. opinion in another case.
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