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THE HONGKONG DAILY PRESS, FRIDAY, OCTOBER 12TH, 2017.
HONGKONG LEGISLATIVE
COUNCIL.
HONGKONG MAGISTRACY.
A BROKEN HEARTED LOVED.
will have to give the number of his room
HE. Be GovERSOL-The object of it is dated 10th October, that is, yesterday, or furnish some other evidence that he the Bill is not to stop drinking. The The reply is as follows-
11 word resides in the hotel. The objection to Colonial Secretary never said
Colonia Secretary's Office, Hongkong.
10th October, 1917, lause in the bill as published was af about that,
GENTLEMEN, With reference to your valid one, but the omission of the clause.
letter of the 7th September, 1817, on
A Chinese tug charged before Mr. Dyer has removed the objection,
the subject of the proposed Bill to amend the Liquors Consolidation Ordin. Ball with attempting to commit suicids ance of 1911, I am directed to inform by drowning on Wednesday. you that a full explanation of the Bull Defendant, who was rescued by some will be given in the Legislative Coun-coolies who were on Blake Pier, said he eif on Thursday, the 11th October, and had lost his sweetheart and did not care that the Government is not prepared to to go back home without her. withdraw the Bill.-I am, Gentlemen,
am
would tend to
(Continued' from page 3)
Hon. Mr. S. H. DonWELL-I grant you it is a measure which is in force at Home, reget for vested interests, but I have But little regard for assumed rights.
Thus till is designed to bring the method but you know. Sir, us well as I do, the
not exist in this Colony. when rights of ever the most nebulus of retailing liquor in public bars in Hong reasons for it at Home, and that they do
Hon. Nr. H. E. POLLOCK-1 kind are likely to be affected by legislation kong into line with that in force in it is the usual practice in the Colony 10 every civilised country in the world. opposed to this Bill, and with reference give those concerned in appertunity of
king representations, and this has kecu may not make a single person sober who is to the reasons for the Bill, Sir, I certainly done in the present instant, Representa by nature a drunkard, but it many restrict orderstood the Colonial Secretary to make tions have been received and I propos to the number of casual drinks which a persone remarks on the question of pro- sch is in the habit of taking between miscuous drinking I do not see how bis deal with t
Tha
princimi objection to the enforce Tueals. It will also, I hope, have the effect words could be indernrated in any other lesson drinking. But, now, Sir, I under- ment of payment in cash in hotel bars by of preventing such cases as have come to Seuse than that the
her than residents that is the notice of the Government, where per- stand he wishes 1, *1*1 1 1 5
to disclaim that point. sote addicted to drinking to excess, with If that is so, we do not wish him to hold will case reduction in the takings, or as it is
is put in sale
needless Cases,
no money but an abundant thirst, have A
ank regard the
to
of the reasons question penniary loss, Now this statement been able to obtain liquor in return for to anything which he wishes to disclain. involves two assumptions, one that per hits at licensed premises in Hongkong, of this Bill, I would point out that in the sons who have been in the habit of taking with the result that they have lost their statement of Objects and Reasons," their drinks between meals at a certain positiins and their self-respect, their where we should naturally look for those bar will cease to do so if they have friends have had to pay the chits, and reasons, the reasons are conspicuously
and them, Secondly that Pay cash this result does follow on the passing of the persons concerted have had to be sent absent. I would also point out, Sir, that this bill, that the licensee of the bar will awny from the Colony at further expense that is a very grave and serious omission, he deprived of as to which he is The evil is notorious. You cannot den! 'nofficial members aght not to be obliged the w wait for the second reading of the Bill entitled. I think there is also a ingges with the selling of liquor to tion that the liquor will still be consumed public as you would with the selling fare the Government discloses its pass for the measure. 1 is not much good. bat in places where this legislation will of
civilised world found this not be in fores. It is possible that there has
મીલ out,
previously in The Gazette merely stating be a temporary diminution in
already remarked, and taken ensures the objects aimed at-Because any com- but the Government would ricit view such a reank, as a valid object accordingly. The consumption of liquor rent lawyer can more or less see the aired nk. Of the hill in view of judic benefit is with meals is an entirely inmenous andbjects aimed at and leaving out all
common practice, and if it suits the mention of the reasons
is be derived from
for every Bill that exists A second objection, that has been management of licensed premises to desirable there should be good and sufficient reasons. I think every member forward is that the cambers axture credit for liquor sold in such circum of the local coinage amk it improbabis stances it is, no concern of the Going of this Council will admit that, speaking thats the public will spend much ready eat, but where the privilege of selling broadly and generally, it is obviously rash in places where they are not allowed liquor by retail to the public for con nadirate to multiply classes of offence to sign hits. 1 geference is apparently sumption at all hours and in all circum for which anes can be hauled up
the silver dollar, in it is likely tha stances is conceded it is both reasonable Police Magistrate and fined, and it is
for
it.
to
biscuits. The
The magistrate warned him not to "repeat his cash act and bound him over in a personal bond of $100 to be of good | behaviour for six months.
AN UNFORTUNATE ADMISSION.
Your obedient servant,
(80.) CLAUDE SEVERN
(Colonial Secretary)- Messrs. Deacon, Looker, Deacon &
Harston, Hongkong. In other words, Sir, the reasonable state- west pointing out that absolutely no
ustification on the face of things has
in the A Chinese was charged before Mr. J. been shown for this measure
Objects and Reasons" is met by the R. Wood with attempting to steal the curt statement just at the last moment, railings just opposite the Sisters' Quar- at the eleventh hour, "You will be tolders at the Government Civil Hospital.
Inspector O'Sullivan stated that they what you will be told about the s Apparently, the only thing full about had no evidence to show defendant was the explanation promised is the brow trying to steal the railinga. He was only
seen shaking the mils when arrested.
I have ir, publishing the Bill for some time bag which we have seen and which aphere Ind been previous thefts, and, in
before
era to be full of chits.
month,
Defendant adiited having stolen a rail on the 1st inst., and for this offence be was sentenced to 3 months' hard labour.
In conclusion the Hon. Mr. POLLOCK all, rails had been stolen during fast said I think it is quite clear that no sufi- pot it quite plainly, and, adopting the cieni enase has been made out for this Bill. language of my own profesion, if one were addressing a jury one would stay:
Gentlemen of the jury, we ask you upon the evidence to say that the case for this 111 has not been made out."
RELIEVED OF GOLD BANGLES BUT
NOT OF PAIN.
Am unemployed Chinese was charged pair of gold bangles, valued at $196, from
that eain will be used brugh in futurs } and right that payment in cash should be actieularly undesirablain regard 10 certainly did not expect such floods of before Me Dyer Ball swith the theft of a
of one dollar Botes has tion it is impossible to distinguish becoming within our gates who, whatever Man Mr. Pollock has told us that these a Chinese woman at Holland Street.
few of
tučen, dine person and another. The bill removes an obvious flaw in the principal Orlinaney, and as I have endeavoured to point out, while putting a stop to system liable to grave abuse, inflicts no practical inconvruilence or hardship..
I have little more to add. We have been
Hon, Mr. R. G. SHEWAY I did not to speak on this Bill at all, because considered it a very harmless little Bill eloquence as have been poured forth. The two European hotels have hed solicitor to speak for them, and it is a very bad case when you have to go to solicitors to had arguments against any particular
question,
H.E. the GoverÑon--Do you erguber ense very amusing enSe at the
Complainant stateak that on May 7th, 1915, defendant came to her when she was unwell, and gave her some medicine which, he stated, would cure her. The effect, however, was to render her uncon – krious. Wher she recovered canisciousness, the defendant and her gold bangles, had ago. On Wednesday night, a friend of hers saw the defendant in the street and. remembering the theft, seized him and handed him to a policeman.
inear red under the gre is little loss asked, for the reasons why this bill has should known to be wroPolice Court-where two Chinese were had both disappeared. That was two years
The
but at same time the
two people
the
liquor in the Colony, and the reason for question * think that one can safely
The
Defendant told the magistrate as in volved tale of a conspirney between him and complainant's friend to rob com plainant.
A remand was ordered for further in quiries to be made.
DISCHARGEÐ.
The case was resumed in which a of the Dairy Farm was charged with Chinese clerk in charge of the Peak office stealing 10 lbs of butter,
Witness
for oudinary shall retail transaction insistad uur. In a law of general applicator like this, which affects strangers The
of residents of this lwe doubled and the purchases of
nung he thought of promises drinks will. I are com vinerd, soon drop into the habit of keeping
Colony, cannot be expected reasonably to hese notes in his pockets For
acquainted with the laws of this Colony. And yet, Sir, what do we find it mitzt ihe tetegered in the section
find that under Clause 5 of his Bill of the public who will be affected by this
is positively and solemnly propusel not hili is a comparatively small
that every buyer, who does anything Anther
Drought again the
wrong, or
but that a buyer bill is that
#present
chit sal that it has been introdus as well as for the objects, br, punished bonuse a seller does soine in fact worked well and is a great com.
Clause 5 reads, Every up for some offence. One hired a solici-
liquor is
is supplied in for and one did not. The magistrate Veneney both to the license and bis and I have given them, but if we had been thing wrong, customers. If u are attacking the chit asked for the reasons why such a hill ha contravention of this Ordinance spall also fired the men without a solicitor 310 system generally fliesused premises ist un bon introduce years ago with a he guilty of an offence against this Ordin- and the man with a solicitor 8100. think this objection tuld have great soatly would not have been ready a force
to the provisions of this Ordinance who could afford to pay a solicitor could law, the acceptance of hits in hotels (and murmurolo custom. However, the the fault of the seller is, by an extra-afford to pay the bigger fine. I beg your To attempt in probili entinly by satisfactory answer except, palms, to try der supplies liquor con- argument apparently was that the man we have only herek to deal with) would omission has at last been rectified and I ordinary tour de fares, transferred to the pardon for interrupting you, but this in toy opinion he merely vegations, but make bold to say that there is not a single shoulders of the possibly innocent buyer case was brought to my mind by your it is very different inatter in the en manager of licensed premises in this coming into the Colony in ignorance of
01 remarks, of chits in bars.
It is a peculiar law. Even if there are Colony, who will not welcome the change its peculiar law.
Hon. Mr. SHEWAN-I won't go into licensed premises where them is practi. cally no loss on suck chits that is not a rought about by this law. I go further, for it is proposed by Clause 5 of the Billall the arguments, but will take one. or
that a stranger within our gates, assuuning
mistakes him and we two. I cannot compare myself with the reason for nor legislating. Some licemail and I say that tlure is not a single diree that the hotel bey there are cases of Hou: Mr. Dodwell and the Hon. Mr. premises incur loses tor of any hotel in the Colous which
nemy very large los es un account possesses a patlican's license who does not know that very often there are cast of Pollock, in Just things, but of se of chits. kapwa whas then hare. I have here in his heart kapw that this bill will real-resident of the hotel and does not ask thing I know, as much as they do, and a bag containing chits amounting to ly serve a useful purpose, and that the him for cash-then,
is liable (Laughter.) I have been longer in the about 85.000 all signed at one hotel and possible loss-the very temporary diminu seller libeth Sir, not only is tho that is the question of drinking in bars. practically irrecoverable, Section 23 of tion in the receipts which may be caused to get run in. If the seller commits Colony for one thing and I know this
Mr. Haywood.appened for the defente the principal Ordinance prohibits the will be more than counterbalanced by the an offences then the buyer has to be run that the argument that men will leave pledging of property in payment inf approvement in the general woorde and in and will also be guilty of an offence the hotels and go to the clubs for drink
A Chinese constable deposed that he liquor, but I confess that I can see little respect of those who make use of his in other words, if A commits a crime as suggested is all mousense. The men difference between handing one's coat
then I shall also be deemed to have co-who frequent the bars of hotels are not stopped defendant as he was coming down mited the same crime. Well, Sir, I across the bar and drinking its value, and Premises. I beg to second the motion.
the men who clubs at all the Battery Path with a parcel containing pledging one's credit in return for quor Hon. Mr. S. H. DODWILL Sir. Frise understand that the Colonial Secretary hole belong to the ches at stor butter ander his arm. Defendant fold by means of chits, which there is no intra- to oppose the second reading of this Bill does not now wish to raise any paint col said to me that in his opinion the Bill him be was taking it to a ima in a com- Mon of redeeming
We have all heard what has been said by cerned with an attempt to restrict the A further objection that has been put my hon. friend the Colonial Secretary sale of liquors, and, therefore, it all boils would not make any earthly difference, pradores shop. Witness accompanied the forward is that the staff will have to and have been duly impressed by the pro down to that wonderful and very nice The Hon. Mr. Pollock's argument regard defendant, but when they reached the increased in order o check the money duction of the bag of chits, which for all, brown bag which be produced just now ing strangers that they would come here shop the man was not there. received in lieu of hits, or that higher
We kaow might represent 50 years full, apparently, of rather musty-looking and be put to inconvenience because their accordingly arrested defendant.
Questioned by Mr. Haywood, witness salaries will have to be paid to all servants Although he ans done his hust to evadehits from which it would appear that one chils will not be taken--was simply grot employed in the hotel, who under the dus point, it seems to me tho can be hotel has suffered considerable loss. The esque. Where in the world, except out admitted that he had received no report provisions of the bill would be in the question that the real object of this Bill Colonial Secretary now bases his plea on here, would anyono tender a chit in any from the Dairy Farm about lugs of butter.
of position of receiving car payments.
of alcoholic drinking
I should like to see the face of a Mr, Jack stated that defendant had been protecting the hotel-keeper. bar? is to restrict the deduction I can make frous this
in the employment of the Cotupany for abjection is that in the hars referred to assume that bartender in Aberdeen, or Glasgow if a no money has hitherto been taken, and that is of course not the case. Under the that there is excessive drinking at the one of the two leading hotels in the City man offered to sign a chit for his drink six years and had been in sole charge of of Victoria, for the reason that I am able The people who put forward such ridicul their Peak brunch. Defendant had always publie bars, which I think number about hitherto wash will be fired than seven. I do not claims to be an expert in to read to the Council, and certainly ons argut his are merely wasting our borne a good churnoter, and his book was to be checked every evening, and disere: employs who have been in the habit of this matter or an hain of the bars but shall do so, letters of protest from the time, and I have heard murmurings about in urder. Their stock at the Peak had
City the Hong the way we have been kept from our own receiving cash in some cases and chits from all on wather I do not think the two largest hotels in the ward Hotel. business this afternoon. It has been a pancies were sure to be found out if there
evil is in B! sufficiently serious to kong Hotel and the King
was anything irregular in the accounts. in others will be freed from what must
HE. the GOVERNOR-This from a quite
matter is The defendant was discharged, be occasionally the perplexing problem of warrant legislation, or do I think, if it These hotels certainly do not view this storm in a teapot. whether to
to accept o refuse achite were that this Bill would achieve the Bill as a boon: they regard
ubject in view. It would merely drive contrary point of view. I do not pretend really a very simple one. We are dealing in the case of a well-known enstomer those black sheep, whe don't like paying to understand hotel-keeping myself, but with the law under which persons are whose credit has never been questioned cash to some of the clabs, where they can presume that these letters, which are licensed for the retail sale of intoxicating
with liquore. Conference
That
is a very remunerative an unfortunate crisis alter the past conceivably
may
tels, represent one
permission giv
gives the Government, and tion, and while his thirst may continue careers get mer pufortably intoxi- written, he doubt, after
they could
ever
of his credit will cease. The bill will rent at a public hotel. the prape to do the managers of the hotels. M
of which erectly the views of these managers, and is one full
under ELE annual the licensee of the unpleasant task of always has his licence, i think of. My presume that these hotel managers, from mission is only given
forward for informing his customer that his chits are honourable friend the Colonial Secretary beng in charge of these two big hotels, license. This Bill is brought no lutiger acceptable. Backed by this law has spoken of reform. Well, Sir, without may be taken as reasonably competent a very simple object and to achieve that he will have the same reply to all and undials, whitewashing the Colony, fancy judges of how hotel business should be object is the reason of the Bill. That is there will br nu invidious distinctions, it is admitted that from being in the old carried on and what is convenient or why it was not thought necessary to
Objects and The following will represent the All licensed premises will be on the same days one of the wettest spots in the far inconvenient in carrying on such business. elaborate the point in the footing, and there will he no temptation Eass, we have deservedly earned the Befors reading the letters I should make Reasons. The for a licensee to give credit where he is
ons of the dries. La remark in answer to what the Colonial sale, except for his to prohibit for Hongkong Civil Service C., in their
intoxicating liquors. home match at 2.p.m. to-morrow:-a in doubt in order to prevent a customer palation of being of of us without Surfears, said about the directors and we are not accustomed, for are was re
Hon Mr. C. Suvern (Capt.), E. W. hotels. I have spoken to two of the quired, to set out all the arguients we going elsewhere. This is one of the chief legislation is it not better to bave se reasons why in my opinion this bill should alone rather than introdue, a veritable directors of the Hongkong Hotel, and if are going to produce. We did not embark Hamilton, R. C. Witchell, U. M. Goodall be welcomed by those whom it will chlelly, pin-prick like this bill. Owing to our they felt in their hearts as the Colonial upon this legislation, with any grand F. W. Wood, T. McCormack, R. E. O affect.
its various denominations, the Secretary supposed all I can say is that motherly or grandfatherly objent of Bird. B W. Bradbury, WH Dixon, Another representation that has been maden Condition of a good deal of what they said to me, and the clear and restricting the consumption of alcoholic WH. Edmunds and P. T. Lamble. made is that schits have been taken for and the very great difficulty and expense definite views they gave me personally, liquors, but our attention has been drawn a great gumber of years no change is entailed in ripercising the collection of are absolutely at variance with their supto very serious irregularities under the pictured by the lively existing lass. The honourable mezober either necessary or desirable. I cannot actual cash, she chisester is a con-posed slows a piccolonial becretary who represents the Justices of the Peace it is certainly against the principle of it think this a sound argument. It is one venienes to fo per cent of the European They were convinced in their hearts, i seems to have overlooked entirely all the it was never intended that people should that might be used to holster up practi- population, although it may be caree In the
we must repeat the words of the Colonial instances except cally overy abuse which has ever existed.to the remaining 1 per cent
The and pay for it, or not pay for it, as they to the case of were able. As to Mr. Shewan's remarks, I think that in Hongkong we are rather interests of high morality you say say Secretary, that this Bill is not a good secretary Gue which the Colonial get credit for us inuch drink as they liked proud of being well up to date in most
The per cent, should suffer inconvenia measure, otherwise I cannot suppose these Colonial Secretary regularity. - things. Reform is in the air we breathe, enge. but I fear there would be strenuous directors would have spoken to me on the an individual in this Colony who went they remind me of the last night. I spent for hini. If he had had to pay cash he The bill next morning was something over but apparently not in the chits we drink. objection on their part. Besides, Sir, it subject, as they would have been simply round drinking far, there than was good in England at the Liverpool Street hotel.
seems to me if the Government really wasting their time,
could not have injured his health in the £10 for my night's entertainment, In regard to the system of ebits we are think intemperance is undermining the The COLONIAL SECRETARY---They spoke
in-exactly the same way.
way he did. He absolutely broke down tendered a cheque and i was somewhat. sadly tahind the rest of the world, we constitution of the axons, the straight. The Hon. Mr. H. E. POLLOCK-Well His friends had to pay the chits and a astonished when the people in the office practically go back to the old village inn forward way of tackling the problem where the inhabitants and their score would be by partial or total prohibition now, Siz with regard to the Hongkong paternal Government had to ship him out said they could not receive any cheques
gave them my card chalked up on the tap room door. I sup of the import of alcoholic liquors, when Hotel, I will read their letter, or rather of the Colony. Why should we be called
Hongkong and poso the reason which would be pleaded Government revenues would suffer along the letter which was written on their upon to pay a man's
Colony because he
drink 22 out of the was the Gavernard told them 1. himself into referred them to the Hongkong and is Olo Custom" Olo custom" has side those of the public who rely on behalf by Messrs. Deacon, Looker, Deacon tremens and at the bare of the Shanghai Bank, which I thought would be often te recomend it being little stimulant in our somewhat enervat & Harston, their solicitors, on the 27th of deutels there are here! It is not the quite good enough: It was not good
and. સા. based to a great extent on comain-sense, ing climate. The practice which in the last month, with reference to this Bill. few
great inconvenience, but it also sometimes gives its tacit con past more than any other was responsible I think it is necessary to read the letter first case we have had, but it is the most enough,
for
our attention to a flaw in the law, Then pay the hotel bill...I think the reasonable more demoralising to my and than the wrong turning was the system in youue the Colonial Secretary has given us rather we had the case of this bugful of chits provisions of this Ordinance will nor do scrit to undesirable things, and sone for some of our young men taking the because, with all due deference, I think recent, and it was a case which attracted had to go to the bank to draw money to supply of liquor to the public in return
where we the least harm to the hotel keepers who letting you know
selling liquor over got them. They care from the North have the privilege for scraps of paper, for that, as I employés to run up accounts with their then read the letter.)
This has been stored with Hon. Mr. POLLOCK-There, Sir, with Point Hotel, and the $3,000 of debts were the bar
"I fect convinced that giver tangible proof, is what these chits
ellentes
results. I can hardly credit the to years experience they say the incurred within a of six months. in the end they will redound to their own often are.
hotels
the place of those Com system has worked well. They do not The Lastly, a fear has been expressed that pradores, thes
to pase this, this debate began Bid residen's inat he himself
Bill. they will ning Hotel, about two
You have heard from ons the penal provisions in the bill will place affair the licensée in jeopardy through no fault your régime, 311 niaintain that you 10 of the letter quite sofheiently years ago, showed him bad chits for the it as reasonable. I think that ought to
that any of his, but it is right that I should point have done the maximuta out that since this objection was made Governor could do in the interests of answers the contention put forward by sum of $2.400 incurred during the stay carry great weight in this Council
You have pushed on the the Colonial Secretary that apparently of one ship in this porn by the members Gazette to which exception was taken has
or receive interest in and greatly facilitated that their takings will be diminished down that no person shall take been omitted. Unless there is a deliberate the making of our gelf course at Fanling; That letter was addressed to the Colonial in payment of any intoxicating liquor for attempt to evade the law no possible dan in fact you have done everything to widen Secretary. It was a letter, Sir, very mises any article except money. That
consumption en or at any licensed pre- ger can arise, as the onus of proving that the scope of healthy outdoor exercise and fairly and very properly and courteously the same provision as exists in the Home the purchaser of liquor in a bar, lounge, do away with that cooped-up feeling expressed, and one would have thought Act. It is got round here by this perni kiosk, buffet or pagoda is a guest in an which in the past must have been a great that it would have met with an equally cious chit system, and although the chit hotel will be on such purchaser. Cash will incentive to intemperance. Don't belittle always be demanded where the bar attend it now, Sir, with this poor impotent little courteous reply. The letter was seat on system is not against the letter of the law
the 22nd of September and the reply to (Continued as foot of next column.) ant is in any doubt, and the purchaser Bill,
relieve
imagination
with the various firms of allowing their travesty of their views. (Mt. Pollock I do not mind.
taking
per:
SPORT.
CRICKET.
CIVIL SERVICE e. R.GA
do, that is their seem to be oppressed with a bagful of has in super tot of Police benefit: Therefore I ask you to POUF
self regards
the Clause in the bill as published in theDent of the rouls: you have taken some of those people are very much afraid of the crew. The Liquor Ordinance lays and the Bill was read a second time.
deep
The motion was then put and carried,
Council then went into Committee to consider the Bill clause by clause.
On Council resumits, The ATTORNEY-GENERAL moved the third reading of the Bill as amended.
The COLONIAL SECRETARY Seconded, and the Bill was read a third time, and passed. Owing to lack of space the report of the Council meeting, has had to be curtailed..
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