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The COLONIAL BECRETARY seconded. HIS EXCELLENCY-I think it would be udvisable to explain further the provision which existed in the old Ordinance for return fares, but in practice there never Company. There is, of course, a certain had been any return fares granted by the difficulty in issuing return tickets. Also, The old Ordinance laid down a limited rat single journey. I don't know ENIAL SECRETARY, by contain the mind of the Legislature olency the Governor, laid on the report of the Finance Combat wait the Company, as you fo, 8), and moved its adoption.
LONIAL TREASURER seconded. EXCELLENCY-Regarding financial 41, relating to the resumption of ra golf course at Fanling, there o be some misapprehension outside honourable Council as to the of this vote. Hon members to understand-perhaps their ce is superior to that of those o eiticised the vote-and I think ld be as well perhaps to add a few of explanation in addition to those by the Hon. Colonial Secretary at that the vote was before the
mittes, which I would have to and fro to their work. I may say that to include steamers that only called here appointed under section 4 of the Bill, as viously, this is a clause which one must
have been sufficient for ve seen this vote termed Now, that Nf Club,'
ology In no sense cts are briefly as wishing to
which, tha
greate a new fladies, the lease ween that
In private paddy field
feel strong
the object has not been realised, but it is more likely to be realised under the Bill as it stands than it was under the old Bill.
The motion was agreed to.
Council then went into Committee to consider the Bill clause by clause.
On Clause 5,
Hon. Sir KAI HU KAI said-Just now. your Excellency spoke about travelling in sections. In this section it is worded just
the same as before..
HIS EXCELLENCz-Under 4f you read, "The Conipany may make length of journey.'
will
mangh against opposition to buy. There
Hon. Sir Kai Ho Kar-When the ques- pre, the Government proposed to resume
se paddy fields, and to lease them, tion of workmen's cars was being con- gether with the Crown land, to the Golfsidered formerly I was present in the Club, charging them rent which will repay Council, and I may say the intention was 41 per cent. interest on the capital cost for the whole journey; that is, without Government, That is itself gremsa any sections at all. Workmen's cars run quite justifiable transaction, but when I from both ends into the city, and it was
ra
HIS EXCELLENCY-It can come out. The COLONIAL TREASURER Then it would affect the China Merchants and other large boats running along the coast. The ATTORNEY-GENERAL It is not meant to cover steamers like the Lightning, Liman and Chenan.
HIS EXCELLENCY-Then we had better leave the word in.
The ATTORNEY-GENERAL-There is other little point regarding the tonnage of the steamer: that part of the clause ought to be altered to read, "steamers of 60. tons register and more than 60 tons
On Council resuming. register."
The ATTORNEY-GENERAL moved that the The COLONIAL SECRETARY Scconited, and
Bill be read a third tine.
have.
Then the exempted schools, that is to say, the certificated schools, are to be inspected similarly in order to ser whether the limited regulations which apply to them are being complied with, and also to see that they are keeping ap that standard which in the first instance enabled them to escape from being fully registered and to obtain their certificate of exemption.
Section 15 gives legal right of entry for the Registrar and inspectors.
add. that at a very low estimate it is not intended to charge the people using the Bill was read a third time and passed conditions which may perhaps not be very that he has got to radically reform the
valculated that when the ladies' golf course shall have been added to "the
existing golf course, the railway, which is a Government railway, will gain at the lowest estimation 81,500 per year net in traffe receipts over and above what is
them by sections.
The COLONIAL SECRETARY The law did.
not specify that clearly; the result is it has never been done in practice.
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THE HONGKONG DAILY PRESS, FRIDAY, JULY 1818, 1918, IVE to provide for periode prior to 7 o'clock case, the case of a British steamer, over schools which do receive a Government Section 12 is very important. With re- in the morning and after 6 o'clock in which we have some jurisdiction, not grant have no English staff. There are gard to these schools you may register whica coming to Hongkong at all, or seldom no other private schools with an English them and inspect them, but have got to theevening certain traps on workinen vill bo carried at a reduced coming, but plying in these waters which staff, but $29 private schools in the New have some power under which you may rute. Then there are provisions which are mentioned. These steamers should be Territories without an English staff; that effectively carry out what the ideas of gislative protect the Company from being cheated compelled to take the same precautions is, bich do not receive Government the Governor-in-Council arc. the Connor defrauded by people who pass them- which have to be taken by all stoners grants and are not Government schools. ernor-in-Council will have powers to
selves off as workmen and are not really which ply between this port and the ports This 228 schools are another lot which will make regulations for sanitation. workmen, and bye-laws will be made by mentioned. There are two other rather be directly affected by the provisions of not think there is anything more impor VERNOR, SIn the Company for carrying the scheme important points. The first is that the this Bill so that roughly speaking there tant in the education of the young thua are about 550 private schools conducted that it should be carried out under And as to the healthy conditions, into effect. But all these bye-laws have to bund in the case of a river trade steamer A. ANDERSON, be submitted to and approved by the is to be $5,000, that is to say, the owners under all imaginable sorts of conditions methods of enforcing discipline, it is Governor-in-Council. That, Bir, shortly or masters or charterers of steane by all imaginable sorts of persons without desirable that they should be placed on a have got to enter into a bond of $5,000 es any English staff and without any proper
proper basis. They are not satisfactory. MBON (Colonial is the object of the Bill.
I have seen cases myself in which we have portant part of it, of course, is the part security that they will carry out the control. It is proposed to affect those by instructions given for the protection ot
had students bringing actions against BUCKNELL K.O. relative to workmen's fares. As I say these steamers against piracy, Tho third this Ordinance now before the Council.
it does not do away with anything, only
the enforcing of discipline should be put FLETCHER (Colonial replaces the old Bill, which was not satis point is this: What sort of penalty can Therefore, I think one may fairly say it schoolmasters. It is very desirable that on a proper basis to enable the prohibi- which needs very careful consideration. factory, by one which it is hoped will be ono impose supposing precautions were is a very important measure, and one HATHAM, O.M.G. (Direc- better and more satisfactory. As pointed not taken on these steamers? Works)
out by your Excellency, there was before section 9 of the old Ordinance it was Now, Sir, the Bill does not deal at all tion in registered schools (here mark,
·R. HALLIYAX (Registrar- a return ticket fare: that is done away provided that if, after the report of the with Government schools, and if members please, the word registered" is used), with, and now workmen travel on single officer who makes the inquiry as to whe will kindly look at the third section of not all schools, of the use of any book
ther these precautions had or had not the Bill they will see that the Bill does the use of which appears undesirable. Mol. MESSER (Captain tickets.
been properly taken, had been received, not deal at all with Government schools, am told, I do not know if it is correct, of Police).
Ho KAI, M.B., C.M.G.
and the report showed that there had been beuse, of course, they are already under that it is very desirable in some of the Yuz, C.M.G.
really gross impropriety in finding these the control of the Government. It does schools in the Colony that a good class because we know the extreme MONTAGUE-EDS.
necessary safeguards, it was open to the not deal with the military schools, which of instructional book should into thought and care that go into the LANDALE
Government to take away the licence of 1 venture to think are very well conducted duced. Certainly I don't think anybody schools for primary education. Perhaps of passenger stenuers it is me so that Absolutely they are under the Military the most important thing next to the watchful selection of berries, the the launch in question but in the case and models of what such schools should he would like to see poor works aged in making of every pound. their passenger certificate night, in cer- Authorities' direct control, and the Bill teacher is the books which are used in thorough double cleaning, the tain circumstances, also be taken away does not touch thens, Now comes a pro- primary schools. (d) deals with the This would be the only way of dealing
and the exact with these steamers, other, of course, than a more important clause, which you proper keeping of school registers, and perfect blend
will see under sub-section 3, section 2.
with regard to (e), that is what I call the roasting combine to give you forfeiture of the bond.
Those schools will probably be about 60 in
usual omnibus clause any other matter The COLONIAL SECRETARY seconded, and number; those will be the schools which regarding the proper conduct and off such deliciousness as, we believe, at the time its line into sections, the Bill was read a second time.
are properly conducted and well con- ciency schools." It is impossible to put a know, has decil then wont into Committee to the dry to a stich I cannot think shy of suise in the regulations which are no other Coffee has ever attained
allsen be clause. ---
could be seriously mentioned as being feels may be necessary, therefore that is
"LOTUS" COFFEE- and it comes to this, that a workman can
ple rohich will be roped in " under put in for the purpose of bringing in The be charged two-cents for a section. Now,
Bill. I think one anything that may be necessary. On Clause 3, what the Government proposes to do if consider the bên this Bill passes is to lay down certain
Hon. Mr. EDE asked-Is the word the provisions of this ou respect regulations have to be published in the It seems is called St. Joseph's. All ththe Gazette. Then we como to very impor overlapping sections for the whole of
regular" necessary there! which a workman will be able to travel
provisions of the Ordinancs. Its objcethe Registrar has to inspect per- two-cents out and two-cents back. On the rather to complicate the clause than to able schools will be exempted frontent clauses. Section 14, which lays dow Ordi- is to deal with the enormous number of | that through one of his inspectors, whole, the houd fide workman who lives simplify it.
The ATTORNEY-GENERAL--This
at present almost Bonally or year every registered outside the city will gain, and ought to gain. The object, of course, of the work-nance really refers to steamers on the regulated and
unknown schools. It is absurd to suppose at least once evergr men's curs is to discourage overcrowding regular passage routes.
Hon. Sir KAI Ho Ka-I think the or assume that the Registrar of Schools school in order to ascertuna the regula.. the school is efficiently carried on, Ob- in the city and to induce workmen to live outside the City of Victoria and to travel learned Attorney-General said he wanted or Director of Education who is te be tions are properly complied with and if
was assumed in an article published in regular"
the Press, need to either unqualified or occasionally. If so the word
unsympathetic.
We may call him the ought to be cut out.
Registrar of Education, or, if one liked a higher sounding title, the Director of Education. I think one may assume, in a serious matter like this, that it would be folly-worse than fooly-to appoint a person not qualified to undertake these arduous duties. Under section 4 also, inspectors may be appointed, whose duties
Sections 16 and 17 an-will be be inspect the schools. After putting
aside all the schools of exemplary class, are of very great importance. Section 18 the Bill takes all the rest of the schools deals with what happens supposing at and divides them into two classes. The the annual inspection the Registrar linds est class are what I call the lowest, einss the school in a rotten state, wholly in- of school, that is to say, a class of school efficiently conducted, and that it has not of which no doubt many of these 550 are complied with the Sanitary regulations- composed; where the rudiments of educa in short, not being carried on properly. What can the Registrar do? First of all. give noties to the master of the school in may perhaps be taught, and undir satisfactory; and that lowest class of school and put it on a proper basis. If schools is going to be brought under direct he does not do so, what is the alterative? control. They are what are called the The only alternative we have got is to The ATTORNEY-GENERAL moved second. reading of the Bill entitled, "An registered schools. Every school which is close the school down. There is no other and supervision of certain Schools. In Ordinance has got to be registered. Of to the water, but you cannot make him doing so he said-I may preface the few the two classes of which I speak, there are, drink. You can tell a man what to do: received now, the transaction becomes an
remarks I propose to make by saying that first of all, those which are registered and if he does not do it so, very well. If he of the Educational tions he is not fit to have care of the extremely good one. $1,500 on $10,000
`Bill further than the second piete control
Section 17 deals with the very ing tho land is 15 per cent.; add 43 per
reading to-day, as perhaps there may be Authority; and, secondly, a class of better young. which it is proposed to expend on resum-
this proposed to proceed with which are under substantially the com- will not carry out these reasonable regula zome important amendments which men schools which will receive what in the Bill difficult question as to whether the Regis cent, for interest and we get a return to The
bers may wish to bring forward. I think, is called a certificats of exemption. Now, trar or Director considers that the school the Government of 10 per cent.
Sir, that all hon, members will agree with the difference of treatment in those twe is necessary for educational purposes. me when I say that cdication is certainly classes is very market. In one case the Now, schools in this connection are some 15 per cent earning power of this new
one of the most important matters which lowest will be under the direct control thing like public houses. You may get THE PRICE OF THE HOWARD attraction to the railway is a very low
any other 02"
management of the Educational five or six rival schools all struggling to estimate. I, myself, consider it will be
concern this Council, or at least 20 per cent, and in a few years,
Council, and everyone all over the world. Authorities. In the case of the upper attract the youth of the neighbourhood if one allows one's imagination to soar a
The problem of education in this Colony class of this school, of which there may be and overlapping each other. That is not in a populous centre or area one or two little, one cau imagine receipts being. increased by 50 or even 100 per cent. If
is one of difficulty. I am not at a sure many er few, those schools will be all economy. The result is, instead of having well-conducted schools, you may perhaps It certainly is in Great given a certificate of exemption which the gentlemen who have criticised this
Britain, where for some years past the will prevent them being under strict and have half a dozen had ones. The object vote outside the Council can do as well
subject of primary education has been a rigid control, and will only make it of section 17 is to have some sort of rea for themselves in their private specula-
moved the matter of the bitterest controversy in theccessary for them to he examined and sonable arrangement, so that there will tions or for their clients as the Govern-
The ATTORNEY-GENERAL Inteorie doing, all I can say is that they are to be heart operatulated. I may second reading of a Bill untitled, "An State schools; in the so-called but badly inspected once a year and put under not be an undue number of schools in a First of all there are the necessary for educational purposes in ang add that those who are conversant with Ordinance to about the provisions of designated Public Schools such as Eton, what is called limited supervision. With certain locality and none in others. It railway management in the British Isles the Steam Launch (Protection agates Harrow, Charterhouse, Winchester &d these remarks I will pass to the sections it is seriously thought that a school is not know that in these days Railway Comce 1900, to certain classe like, the methods are being greatly of the Bill. panies lay but golf courses and build of seamers. In doing so he said-Under criteria and the systems of higher completely exempted schools. Secondly, locality, it is possible for the Registrar, Firstly, the lowest schools, that particular school be closed down. See- hotels adjoining them for the sole purpose the Ordinance of 1880 certain precautions education of treat Universities of there are two classes to which the Bill after due notice, to give instructions that
were necessary to be taken, and were made rents of learning such as Oxford and applies.
the melt directly and completely controlled by the tisa is relates to what I call a Depart- ing pot. In the countries in which I Educational Authorities; secondly, the mental matter; it deals with the necessity steam brunches against the attacks of have had the honour of serving dificulties upper schools which are only more or keeping a register of schools, which compulsory to be taken in the case of Cambridge are even
The preamble of the old Bill also arose: in South Africa those of less supervised. Now, Sir, in section 5 will naturally have to be done. Section 19 pirates. shows exactly what was intended (quotes), language and of different views as to the
any matter to the Now, Sir, the present Bill proposes to proper aspect of British history in its is laid down that all schools which are is also an important one. That gives an
may cause here one moment and ask, of Education en add to the class of eteam launches another bearing on South Africa. In Cyprus the exempted shall be registered. Wo appeal from the decision of the Director class, that is, a class which is defined in difficulty of two races separated by vast what is school? Ono sees objection Governor-in-Council. I see it has been the Bill as river trade steamers. It is gulfs of dissimilar religion and language taken to the definition of a school. How said that to appeal from the Director of obvious that these forms of piracy on one, the Greek, anxious and eager för
are we going to definite it? I define it as Education to the Governor-in-Council is board these ships do not only occur on education and ready to pay for it pro any place where 10 or more persons are like appealing from Peter to Paul. That
Was on its own--semi
The
Attorney-GENERAL moved the steam attaches. And, from what has vided that it second reading of the Bill entitled, An taken place recently, I think, at any rate political lines; and the other the Turk being habitually taught. I do not think really is nonsense. People who have the not anxious for education in the abstract we can have a better dentition. Now, in honour, like I have, of gitting on the Ordinance to amend the Tramway Ordi- in some instances, no precautions, or very uance, 1902.2
Becauso one official takes one In doing so he said-It few precautions, are taken by people at all. Since I have been here I have section you get what is theiltimate Executive Council, know perfectly well may be recollected by members of this responsible for running small steamers seen it stated in the Press that the Gov-effect of all Bills really you get the that all appeals are considered on their Council who have been here during the from here to various points up the river. ernment ought to take in hand the penalty for disobedience of the Ordinance, mers. past two or three years that a dispute. The old law of 1900 provides in section 4 education of the Colony; it ought to take and here it comes to this: that if the view, it's not follow that the others will it in hand seriously and deal with it Ordinance is to he of any effect we have take the same. Wection 20 gives power to which subsequently gave rise to legal
This Bill. Sir, is a step in got to le able to see that its provisions will the Governor-in-Councilose a school It does not profess or be carried out. In order to carry out its if it appears that the school is proindicial Proceedings, arose between the Govern that it shall be the duty of the owner, ment and the Tramway Company owing master and members of the crow of every properly.
steam launch to observe all much precau- that direction.
19' something. to some electrical interference which is
It may be a surprise to unlawful schools, that is, schools that is a power which will be only exercised exceptional circumstances of tock of the Tramway Company. Legal from time to time be prescribed in writing people to know what an enormous nur ought to register and are not, to be closed under alleged to have taken place by the operations against piracy, and report as may propose to be efficient in any way, but it effect section 6 makes it possible for to the interests of the Colony, and that proceedings were taken, and they came to by the Captain Superintendent of Policber of schools there are in the Colony and down. So far as that section is concerned, gravity, er circumstances which would stop, after they had gone a certain with the approval of the Governor No the New Territories, schools which are it is necessarily a sledge hammer. You necessitate songs sart of action of that course and eventually the Government under that section of the old Ordinano conducted in simple fashion without any cannot have anything else. Part 2 deals kind. It would be an Executive act; as It gives a simple act which, even properly without this law, and Tramway Company-very sensibly if certain very reasonable regulations were control and without any curriculum laid with existing schools, I may say so-came to an agreement, and actually drawn up and were in fore with down, or any kind of observations kept, illustration of how they apply for registra would he legal if just. By section 21, if and under conditions which are in inany tion. You see the form of application for this Ordinsnee passes, the Chinese part of that agreement concerns section regard to steam launches. To secure
cases extremely unsatisfactory. I am
The master of an existing Vernacular Educational Board will be registration. 5 of this Bill.. In this Bill the second, compliance with those conditions the third and fourth sections are really master of the steam launch had to enter going to, if I may, give the Council a inserted to prevent any possibility of a into a bond in the case of a steam launch few figures with regard to the number of school signs For 1 of the schedule and no longer necessary for present purposes. In the ase of river trade schools, and I must confess that to me gives particulars. What takes place will I do not say it is not possible that some similar difficulty being unprovided for in of 81,000.
the number came as a great surprise. be that the Director of Education or one kind of Board er Advisory Committee will the future In the second section the steamers it seems very desirable that some
.or electric" ure words "telephonic
Colony, there are seven Government school and it will be registered in the constituted the Board would find its inserted after the word telegraphic, sort of rales should be drawn up, and Now, in the Coleus, that is the old of his inspectors will go and look at the be brought into being, but as a patent.
should be capable of being enforced on.
the same section, if he thinks it should anything against it, because I know In the old Ordinance, those words were the river steaners just as they are in the schools with English staff; there are nine ordinary way. Then, it is open, under functions gone, I do not wish to any Supposing nothing about it, but I don't know that nitted accidentally, and that was one of those little things which really gave case of the steam launches. The object private schools with English staff and 41
and I believe it is the view of all sensible rise to the litigation which took place of this Bill is to do that, and it will be private schools without English staff. be registered to register it. between the Government and the Com-given effect in this way: the old Bill Those schools receive Government grants, he does not think it ought to be registered, it has ben & very great success, and I am afraid I have taken up a great deal Clause 3, sections 3 and 4, will be simply added to by including river There are other private schools, which do then he may refuse to do so. My view is probably I should not be exaggerating it pany
As I said at the simplify the somewhat cumbrous proceed trade steamers wherever the words steam
Now, to be rapidly reformed or shut up alto- -ings of the old Ordinance as to litigation launches occur, and in addition to that which are not Government schools, liveen, that a bad school, badly conducted. I said it had not been a success at all. or as to the settlement of any matters in there are one or two other somewhat of which have an English staff, and 329 with bad sanitary conditions ought either of time, but this dos sem to n a very new school goes through exactly, the same beginning, I, do not propose to proceed dispute between the Government and the important points I should like to draw of which have no English staff. Company or between the Company and attention to. The first is the definition of those 329 schools in the old. Colony are gether. Anybody who wants to start a important Bill.
The Government schools process. When his application is received with more than the second reading to day. Section 5 is really a u river trade steamer. This definition schools which will be all directly affected
Part 3 the Government.
will not be, and the probability is that the school is examined, and if found to rather important section. Under the old has been down up by the Mariney, this Bill
a very large majority of the other schools be satisfactory it is registered. section 49 of the original Act, there were Authorities, and includes any steamer of
arrangements for workmen's more than 60 tons register, regularly which I har mentioned will not be deals with the higher class of these 55 pertain
For various reasons plying with cargo or passengers between affected either. But all these 299, a great odd-schools which are to be exempted Yon ickets on the trams.
mass of material which is at present from the full effect of registration and hat system has not worked very satisfac- the Colony and any port or place on the 60Canton river or the West River or any
antonched, will certainty be affected. Input under modified supervision. brily, and it is proposed now
person makes application, and if the ap aborate the system-not to do away
h it in any way, but to elaborate and river in the interior of the Kwangtung or the New Territories there are no Govern will see how this is done in section 11. A to bring about a better system, and Kwangsi provinces, or Macao, and any ment schools with en English staff, butlication for a certificate of exemption of the Bill to amend the Companies
three Government schools without an is accepted, the school is hardly under
There are no private
the Ordinance at all. but comes under. much more satisfactory to the public British steamship of more than 60 ton all concerned. The effect of this new register so plying from, to or between English staff.
a Government grant, and two private Section 12 (), b), (c), 14 (2), 8, 9, 10. last part put in. It is to cover this sort of
of attracting passengers to their railway out by a Railway Company simply, for I know of one in Donegal which is laid the purpose of increasing its receipts. This pour Government is constantly reminded to take a leaf out of the hook of private business people, and we have
taken the hint in this case.
The motion was agreed to.
TRAMWAY AMENDMENT ORDINANCE.
of a journey.
hope the Government will define the length HIS EXCELLENCY-It is not considered carry workmen the whole length from quite reasonable that the Company should Kennedy Town to Shaukiwan for two- cents, but we will make a length journey points intermediate between from Kennedy Town and Causeway Bay.
Council then resumed, The ATTORNEY-GENERAL moved that the Bill be read a third time.
The COLONIAL SECRETARY seconded, and the Bill was read a third time and passed.
STEAM LAUNCH AND HIVER TRADE STRAMEN (PROTECTION AGAINST PIRACY) ORDINANCE.
that it is not in most countries one of difficulty.
now
not receive any Government grant, and
on 49 is that the Company is bound such ports. One may be asked why is that schouls with an English staff which receive certain provisions which you will see in
The CELONIAL SECRETARY conded. Hon. Sir Kai no Kai and H. E. the
The report of their speeches will appear Governer also spoke on the Bill.
to-morrow,
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