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HONGKONG LEGISLATIVE
COUNCIL.
THE HONGKONG DAILY PRESS, FRIDAY, OCTOBER 21st, 1910.
against these particular rules and regulations being published in the Gazette instead of being laid before this Council
A meeting of the Hongkong Legislativ should be governed separately; ander la claim to have a veice in any matter affecting After they are made?
Council was held yesterday at the
Council
hamber. The following wore present- HIS EXCELLEROY THE OFFICER ADKING-
MAY, K.CM.G.
Hou. Mr. A. W.BREWIN (Registrar-General). Hon, Mr. Wet Yok, C.M.G.
Hon. Mr. E. A. HEWETT.
Hon. Mr. MURRAY STEWART.
Hoz. Mr. E. Osborne.
*Mr. C. CLEMENTI (Clerk of Counella),
and confirmed,
MINUTES.
FINANCIAL MINUTES.
FINANCIAL,
The COLONIAL SECRETART, by command of the report of the Fiuneco Committee (No. 15), and mored its adoption.
the inetion was agreed to.
THE IMPORT OF MORPHINE.
Hon. Mr. STEWART asked:— With reference to cartala regulations recently issue, will the Government inform the Council what countries export morphine and its compounds to this Colony, and what proportion, if any, of the quantity imported is exported from the United Kingdom?
The COLONIAL SECRETARY replied :---- (n.) A record has only boon kapt sinon the Opium Ordinate (23/09) same inte foros on the 1st of last March.
(b) Between the first of last March and the 30th September 7,030 ibs, of morphine were imported into the Colony, the whole
amount being shipped from London.
while the remainder came from Canton. OPIUM AMENDUENT (No. 2). ORDINANCE. The ATTORNEY-GENERA moved the first ronding of a Bill entitled, "An Ordinance to amand the Opium Ordinance, 1909,"
and sommerse with the inhabitants of the ƒ be induded in the "rub-section.". I havn' Gastic. That same objection I miss now Kowloon paninauts. The inhabitants of the Now Territories were almost a separate people, and it was therefore perhaps inevitable that they Ines suitable to the mental slate of such village folk. Hance the laws which to-day we are naked to re-enact and to sonsolidats. If in consolidating and re-enacting
the lave we had been asked to agree to modifestions indicative of the graduil
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Hon. Mr. OSBORNE-It is levying taxation in an indirect way.
HIS EXCELLENCT-Unless you have any amendment to propose I will put the clause,
Hon. Mr. STEWART-I move that the words "published in the Gazette in English and Chincabe deleted anul for them be substituted "be laid on the table of the Legislative Council.” Hos. Mr. HEWETT What does laid on the table" mean? Does it mean merely laid or discussion P
The ATTORNEY-GENERAL-It simply gives of what is going on.
The amendment on being put to the meeting Hon. Mr. Stewart supporting it, and the clanse was lost, only the Hos. Mr. Osborne and the then stood part of the Hill.
#kad On cluase 9,
propose to make this change, a very seriona alteration in there or less i award ordinary olgangen.
why we asked his guer. to
sonal explanation F
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thewo
which exist under the
to
had
when I referred to the action of the unofficial Hon Mr. STEWART-I may roumark that members it was in connection with the Lignom Ordinance.
Hou. Mr. HEWETT-That was question.
well understand
HIS EXCELLENCY-I
can
to duce
HIS EXCELLENCY-I don't think you enght introduce that principle. You might intro.
payment of travelling expenses. ⚫ special
Hon. Mr. OSBORNE-Well, that the District Offeer shall
Award
out of pocket expenses to
Officer that power ander the Magistrates: Hoa. Mr. HEWET-Has not the District Ordinance ?
momber
by providing that the declaration on the im- and I am per foolly certain that your Excellency the indication bly now be satisfied with should be feisted on this Council. I do not
The ATTORNEY-GENERAL-I think he has. Hon. Mr. OSBORNE-I want to make him do
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Hon, Mr. OSBORNK-That is ten years ago, The ATTORNEY-GENERAL-If my hon. friend saw as much of perjury at Court as I do ho would be very glad to take somo steps.
Hon
HIS EXCELLENCY-I think it is very nqode- sary to leave it in
The alsuse with slight amendment was adopted. Clavoso 23, Hon. Mr. STUWART-I move that we sub- stituto 81,000 for 82,000.
It soon to
to me that $2,000 is a
very farge som for people Over there, Mr. HEWETT-Section 20 gives the Land HIS EXCELLENCY-That sum of $2,000 was inserted at the time the Land Court Ordinance was passed.
I think it was proposed at the time to make it 85,000, and it was reduced in this Conncil to $2,000. I think that is low
quito ausngh Hon. Mr. STEWART It's a very large suas for villager in the New Territory. "If bo
I do act see why he should not have theright to appeal to somebody
The COLONIAL SECRETARY-They always appeal to the Supreme Court.
con
Hon. Mr. STEWART-I don't understand that. The clause says the judgment of the Land Officer shall be conclusive for all parposes.
The COLONIAL SECRETARY-If a judge of the Supreme Court shall give apostal leave to appoal hocan always appeal to the Supreme Court.
The clause was adoptod. Clane 54,
Hoa. Mr. OSBORNE-I beg to more, Sir, in this clause, as in the other, that such regulations ths i be laid upon the tablo of this Council
HIS EXCELLENCY-These are all regulations. relating to land. I should think very few mem- bera of this Council would understand them,
Hon. Mr. STEWART-I support the amend
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su it?
Hon. Mr. STEWART – Yos
The amendment was lost, the Hon. Mr. Osborne and the Hon. Mr. Stewart baing the only supporters. The clause was adopted.
The ATTORNEY-GENERAL asked that part 3 of the Bill be deferred till next meeting, and moved that Council resume.
Council then rean3201ā.
LIQUORS LICENCES AMENDMENT ORDINANCE. The ATTORNEY-GENERAL moved the second reading of the Bill entitled, "An Ordinance to smend the Liquor Licences Amendment Ordi- nance, 1909." In doing so he said-It was found that those two amendments were Dacassary to r defuite honra for the sale. of confist between the conditions imposed in the liquors ou loosed promises. There was
order
Ordinates of 1898 and the intentions of the Government with regard to this.
Tha
COLONIAL SECRETARY keconded, and the motion was agreed to.
Conveil then went into committee to consider the bill clause by olsuse.
On claines 2.
Hoa. Mr. OSBORN-Will notice be given to the different publicans other than through the Gazette
HIS EXCELLENCY-This will come into force when the new licences are issued. A clanso is to be added at the end stating that it will conze into force ou December 1st. Then it will be a condition of their licences.
Hon. Mr. OSBORNE-We don't wants pro- escation to be the first
at latimation. The COLONIAL SECRETARY—That would be ' possible. It can only come into force after
the new licences are issued.
Hon. Mr. OSBORNE-Yos, but the hours will be different to what they have beon.
stated in the new licence,
The COLONIAL SECRETARY-They will be
the instructions of hin Excellency the Governor to convey this information, and am quite sure that it will meet every possible point. The Legislative Council can legitimate- The CAPTAIN SUPERINTENDENT OF POLICE the New Territories, therefore we are quite Hon. Mr. BrewiET-Before they become prepared to accept the suggestion of the hon. effective I want them, lald on the table of this member, With regard to section
the Council. 7. only reason for the alteration is explained in the Hon. Mr. Hewer With regard to the remarks made by the hou, member who repre- TERING THE GOVERNMENT, Hon. Sir F. Hbetoon the poppearance of the difference memomndum of the Bill. It was found that
machinery which the
exists under the existing seats the Justices of the Pence, it seems to me of the New Territor tordingtoe was sit gather panema. The that if we adopt this principle hore wo will be the Legislative Council a sort of tsoit sognisance floor power to deal with property up to $5,000, and of the Colony, it woul
To seemed it would havo HIS EXCELLENCY THE GENERAL OFFICER natural development, because in the ten years
ara ralos had to be certified by the Colonial Becret-
the whole principles of CORBANDING THE TROOTS (MAJOR-GENERAL which have elapsed since, although the Govern-uty and duly recorded in the districts. It was overtimento -R. G. BROADWOOD, C.B.).
the Colony. All Ordin mont has been slow to realise the principal
almost impossible to carry out that system. What was known as the districts no longer exist, power to make, alter or amend regulations, and Governor in Council Hon, Mr. A. M. THOMSON (Colonial Sacroeconomie need of the New Territory-good wide
roads and has devoted ite attention mainly because the Local Communities Ordinance has those are published in the Gagello. It is clearly tary).
Hon. Mr. W. Rees DAVIES, K.C. (Attorney to the building of the railway. Now that already been repouled. I do not porsonally see the basiness of anyone interested in the working Goneral)
an accomplished fact, this any objection to have any rules laid on the of this Ordinance to Bail out whether the latter is
Hon. Mr. OSBORNE-Is there any provision Hon. Mr. C. McI: MESSER (Colonial Tres-monne of communication and transport will tend table if desired. The system hitherto in sogue
for the payment of expenses by the District surer),
to promote iztercourse, and the inhabitants of bas boon found to be parsly a waste of time. tione have born altered, and to what extent. Ofoer? Can a man be deprived of bie day's fouls he has been unjustly treated in the matter
hon. member RODIA to think, although Hon. Mr. W. CHATHAM, C.BI.G. (Director of the old Colony and New Territory will become Now, Sir, with regard to clauses 9 to 11 inclusivo. we are largely dealing with ignorant Chines labour by to answer the questions of a Public Works).
more and more homogeneous as time goes on. it has been found desirable to transfer this
peasants, that the regulations would Is to more District Offlorg Hon. Mr. J. BADELEY (Capt. Superinton-But the only modifications that I have observed power to the District Officer, who is situ publicity given to them by being laid on this The COLONIAL SECRETARY-You might as dent of Police).
esides among the table that by being published in the Genetic well pay a magistrate should pay him. Such inthe Bill now before us have the opposite effect. atod in the district and who resides For instance, in clause 6, in line 4, section 1; are people, who knows the
people,
is in a The only
thing cannot be tho
for botter words, "or any other commodity whatever."
position
to argest upon his Excelloney 850 specially then the Registrar.
Hon. Mr. OSBORNE-That is in criminal That section rules that it shall be invial for the institute those inquiring
Lugerd that the ordinary rule shouldÉS, Governor-in-Council to make rules for the General, whose office la situated bere. He sabe broken through in the
CORD of the The COLONIAL SECRETARY-It happens farming out or licensing for revents purposes competent government official, and it is Liquors Bill was because it was an entirely every day.
sell, with the full consent of the Registrar now departure and was going to possibly make the Naw
New Territories the right to
The ATTORNEY-GESERAL-There is general manufacture or otherwise deal in
Gonerek that in spirits
hole life of power under the Magistrates' Ordinace to other salt, or any commodity whatever. question is purely one of transferring the the Colony, boomase we are all The minutes of the last meeting were road Oation 2 procenda to say that the Governor-madzery which exists muder the aziating (
interested in tho sale of
That
Hoa. Mr. OsnoRNE-It is rather hard to take in Council may make rules for the levying, ance to the District Offloor in lien of the
a man from his work and drag him to the Dis- odlection, recovery by
by legal proceedings, etc. Registrar-General. It is not in any way specially break through the rule bo-
trict Officer's court to answer questions. The COLONIAL SMOLETARY, by command of in his absolute discretion. Again in olmaze 7
the power
Hon. 31. HEWETT-It happens in England. absolutely na- His Excellency the Governor, laid on the table it is provided that such rules skali betonda, That, Sir, has beca fully cause this departure WAY
known hitherto in the Colony. But for
Hon. Mr. Oba&NE-Only in criminal cases Financial Manntes (Now. 88 and 89), and moved published in the Gazette. Now, modifies considered, and it has been denied unnecessary the hon. mother who represents the Justices Hon. Mr. HEWETT-No, in civil cases as well. that they be referred to the Finance Committee, tion, which I
HIS EXUELLANCT-I recollect whore man The COLONIAL TreasurEE seconded, and regulations affecting would be that these to leave those duties any longer to the of the Peace to sak for the Governor-in-Connell
the liberties and the Registrar General, who has a vast amount of to lay regulations in a tho metion was agreed to,
mattor of this sort were brought from Shataakok. They got ment EXCELLENCTM-Do ron wish to livido taxation of
of the subjects of
in work to do. It was thought better to transfer before the Council seems to me calculat. travelli not get expenses for their time. I the King
and out-of-pocket expens08, the Now Territories should be laid on the table them to the District Officer, who is on the spoked to upset the whole rezular work. but they did
Work don't think that is As regards Spotion
is reasonable. of the Legislative Council I learn from the His Excellency the Governor, laid on the tabla hop, the Attorney-General that sections 9 and batim reproduction this I believe in a verme of the Government of the Colony,
from Ordinance 3, of 1909,
The COLONIAL BRCZETARY-A jurymon does not get his d her spoke just now in the names of the soffaid 10 contain no change, bn, they give a power to section 40. I may point out that that section is ok as strongly as I do because the hon. men-
s day's value, the District Officer which ja
Hos. Mr. OSBORN-He does in a civil caso. the extremely The COLONIAL TREASURnr soconded, and and I considor that power requires modification application of part II. of the Ordinance. members, and he was not authorised to do so, I There is a a section at the end giving ao idea that he was going to oppose any
HIS EXCELLANCY--D
you
I wish to move Au I do not propose to go into the details general powers to the Governor-in-Council to clans in this Bill, and I for one dissent from amendment or not? of the Bill at this but
stage,
Hau. Mr. OSBE-Yes. I move an amend it as a
ako rules for regulating proceeding under him entirely. Mavi, and particularly in connection with this. Ordinance. That particular section re. spects section 40 of the Ordinance of 1905,
award compensa gostion 54, which makes it lawful for the Gover-
ment to the affect that the District Offisers will
001pensation nor-in-Council to make regulations from time which has relation to land I can give to time na ha may think fit, for the purposes of the Connell & general assurance that there is this Ordinanca, those powers seem to me nothing, generally speaking, in the Bill-apart I am not opposed from clauses 9 at 11, and his Excellency in to be altogether too wide to the principle of absolutiam per se. There are the exercise of his discretion regards the District times and sousons when it is a very excellent | Officer as perfectly competent to carry out those the exception being made in the case of the such witnes
lutiste dutios.. absolutiste Hon. Mr. STEYART-May I make a per. Liquors Ordinance. That was an Ordinance in time of trouble, and in governing people as form of government. We are all
which introduced a very widespread and for- primitire as the inhabitants of the New Terri
reaching change which affected everybody tories are I so quite prepared accept the prin
the com. Hon. Mr. STEWART-I simply wanted to sx in the community, and I daresay oiple that arbitrary powers are necessary; but of
it. absolutism, like every other good thing, you can plain that I did not say and did not mean what munity naturally wanted to see these roles have too much. Absolutions calls for effective the hon. member who represents the Chamber and regulations. But what we are going to pat
The COLONIAL SECRETARY-You cannot I asked in force hore is simply dealing with what I a this Bill does not provide of Commerce understood me to mean. obroka. In my opinion
Hon. Mr. OSBORNE-Yes you can if you the fo) Between the same datos 66,114 teels of one loci "Council and the Land Officer, tion in the direction of laying regulations on gulations, and there is no necessity for adopting put it in the Ordinones.
upen powers conferred on for some modification, particularly a modifios may call twopenoy-ha panny rules and re- make him do it in every oase. compounds of opin were imported into Unless, therefore, the Government can give us the table of this Council. That was ay main the course suggested by the hon.
The COL MIAL SECRETARY-1 would rather Hongkong: and of this amount 23,097 tools some amarates that they are prepared to accept point. 1. did not advise à claage in the the represents the Justices of the Poe, take the clause out than that.
GRAB more red
more for about 34 por cont.) came from London, reasonable medification of the kind I suggest system of government, and I did not advocate
tape delay
and more bampering of the
EXCELLENCT---You make Д great ad- of this Colony laws and particularly in agreeing to lay upon
the Applying
pampering the people over there. ministration. The Legislative Couroll does Territories New
at the present min tablethe regulationsmadenader the Ordinance-
some and answer I msde I thought
that I shall not see my way to vote for the second time
has done in the Plain. Tot meat sa frequently as
certain tree as reading of this Bill.
Hon. Mr. HEWETT The hon. member did past few months, because wa bara had a lot questions as to how a
of itstalls to get through.. Small roles with and won't come.
without down by his neighbour. He is contamacioas Hon. Mr. HEWETT - Your Excellency, I had not make it plain so far as I am concerned. I
regard to kerosone of licences and the
people are not lambe in The COLONIAL SECRETARY seconded, and the no ides that the hon. member who represente did not understand him.
the Territory Far from it. motion was agreed to.
Hoa, Mr. OSBORN-If the matter were left the Justices of the Peace was going to speak
HIS EXCELLENCS-Gentlemen, I think the like are continually being altered, and hon. member who represents the Justices of is now suggested that I these details According to the memorandum attached, at this stage of the Bill. I think the remarks
in the hands of the District Officer you could this Bill amends the Opium Ordinance, 1909, he has made, taking them as a whole, are valu
valuable, the Peace
will
not rely on his discretion, bat it is not. It is left we pro. really think it is necessary, and I am of the
modifications
to his subordinates, portation of opium, in the case of a limited and the Government
officials
HIG EXCELLENCY-No man can be sent for who are interested pose to intro
to introduce. I must say I agree with the prepared to introduce the innovation,
Hon. Mr.
ORBORNE--1, Sir, entirely without the authority of the District Officer. company, shall be taken by the manager before in the working of the New Territory hon. member who represents the Chamber of
desirable to keep the support the bon. member who rep - taking delivery by himself or his servants. It will consider the points raised by him. But we Commerce that it i
In India District Officers bave ten times the also makes the failure to make such a declara- must remember that the conditions, financial administration of the New Territories as simple sents the Justices of the Penge. If powers were power given under this Ordinance. People hare tion an offence against the Ordinance,
geographical, and otherwise, are such that up to as possible. (Hon. Mr. Stewart-Hear, bear) given to the Governor-in-Council to make these
get frightened of giving a District appear Come I the moment, and for some time to
always means eccnomy, and the Now regulations, and they were all of the twopenny: Offer any power at all. I think, das deference to the hor. with
that
of those parts of our administraba penny description you have mentioned, it Hon. Mr. OSBORNE-A District Oficer in a conscientious official can look at would not matter; but it gives them very wide India is generally a man of very vast experience to have a separate form of tion
pleasantly, knowing it is run economically if powers to alter the whole principle of the
--HIS EXCELLENCY-He is no better than the Ordiusuce. Hear, hear. Isid so nothing else.
en here. They are drawn from exactly the Blon
Hon. Mr. STEWART-Do I understand, Sir, HEWETT The railway, although
Baine class. it has certainly brought us within reach of the; that section 7- In doing so he said.The memorandum to this New Territory, la not always reliable (laughter Bill sets out the changes which, I think, are not and I gather that if you
the 75
okamoo of the publie becoming aware of the New Territory north of the hills on the sam great importanos, which it is preconditions as we administer this very very
Ron, Mr. STEWART-Are you going to different points in these amall íslenil
regulations to mento in the Ordinance affooting the Now Territories. The Bill, Sir, as whole is and the small peninsala attached, it will publish the regulations in the casette or lay how they affect individos intereste. I think
thom on the great incresse probably mean a
unofficial members of this Council ought to HIS EXCELLENCY-I do not Ponsolidation Bill, and the object is to consoli-work of the department and of the stau.
do not think it is
strongly fight for the principle of having date the entire laws governing the New Terri-Therefore it appears to me that the course the necessary. The Attorney-General indicates the regulations made by the Governor-in-Council torica. As regards the first item in the memoran-
modificationa we giving
we are prepared to make.
first approved by this Council. dum, I may say that the Local Communities Government has hilberto followed of
Hon. Mr. STEWARTY, but will he put it Ordinence,us stated, is to have really no practical very great powers to one or two
He said he saw no objection to it. effect in the New Territories. Section 6, clauso oficials who reside in the New Territories worth deinitoy
The COLONIAL SECRETARY—The kon, mem- of the hills and who are controlled by the Govar- 2, authorises the loving of contributions as the ner-in-Council has proved very satisfactory, and her can vote against the Bill if he wishes,
the should therefore be requires
allowed
H EXCELLENCY-He might not wish to do to continue for propion of extra police. That has boon found to some
ink it would be quite that. You adopt certain principles have had good effect in other places. With ard some time to come. I think
rogard to the registration of births and deatba, it has boon premature to adopt an entire change, as I bill and give power under these regulations deemed necessary and proper by a gradual process gather from the remarks of the hen member to carry out those principles. There is no regulations
TES ATTORNEY GENERAL~That is so. to extend the law to the New Territories. As who spoke last is proposed by him. Because we procedant that I know of for
Hon, Mr. STEWART But where you propose stated in the memorandum, it will be effected have a railway is no reason why we should in- made by the Governor-in-Candil on
usediately revolutionise the whole government of They are published in the Gazette. If thero taxation we ask publicity. It is a good and rules very gradually. Sections 9 and 11 were formerly the New Territories and nak teftema who bare is anything obnoxions you can bring the matter and surely not now in Britisk annals. We are rented
in the Registrar-General, brit hoe hitherto confined their attentions to this island before the Council by resolution. The Attorney considering the taxation of the comparatively now given those powers to the District Officer, and the peninsula to extend their operations to
General has explained that there is no new helpless people of the New Territory, and they include power to summon Chinese to
it is important that the Legislative Council The COLONIAL SECRETARYA District examinations. Clauss 21 makes an additional the scattered populace spread over the New principis introduced in the Bill, (To the Hen. and it
shwald consider their interests as well as the Officer is not a detective. Amendment which is really necessary. Territories have got all the reasonable protep-
It Territorios. I believe myself that the New Mr. Stewart)-Do you wish to divido?
Hon. ME. STEWART-YDJ;
interests of those concerned in the liquor trade. His EXCELLES-It is only for the par authorises the land officer to examine wit
The motion was then put to the meeting. HS EXCELLENOR-Perhaps ten or fifteen
of can demand; and believe that the system
poses tion
the inquiry directed by affirmation проп cath
or otherwise.7
The Goversor Srst dironts the Hon. Mr. Osborne, is
Lon, member's z thoroughlyStewart and
arks, but I don't think there the District Offloor to inquire into sad to me personally,
remarke, that a plaintiff can sue here if a debt is contracted
HT EXCELLENCY-The Ayes have it. efloinnt and efficacious. I think the remarks
is to-day. This law has been working for eleven report on
any matter
the relating to
The R.M.S. Monteagle arrived at Wcoaung In the New Territories. Under the old wording made by the lion, member who represanta the Coutoil then wont into committee to consider years, and I think working satisfactorily. As1 New Territory. The District Officer having at 5 p.m. on Saturday last with the H.-A. L. 4.
fa lebt was contracted 1 in the
the Now Territories and the debtor removed to Hongkong proceed tien. Still, I don't think the times has yet
Justices of the Peace are deserving of considera- the Bill claase by clause.
Armenia in tow, A briefly reported by wire- Clanss 6, enb-section 1, was amended by delet- said before, more complications introduce more received that direction can. summon people to
indre expense 1
He cannot more on his own is telegraphy, the Monteagle picked up the long run.
come before him. ings woul
would not lie against him. Two additional
and Hon. Mr. STEWART-Burely ing the words "or the form of
or any other commodity change in the Section 72 arrived to makes
Government initiatire. of govern. sections have also been added,
Armenia on Friday. The Armenia left Shang- Mr. the words "kerosene oil, or any not contemplate making which authorisva liat
ent hitherto followed Government under
for Moji Wednesday, bound changers Ghat is imod by the District offcer of the thin sytam gives very great powers to the one dangerous goods as defined by the Dangerous they are not supstod de deregulationenhis? that the Grenzen Wont one mustion is has the previous We
When in the vicinity of Socotes Rook, shout such a thing? northern district and the Captain Baperiuten- or twe government officials who control the arsa Goods Ordinance, 1873, or any other commodity If not, why not lay them on the table?
The COLONIAL SECRETART-You will nee EXCELLENCY-The Government does midway between Shanghai and Nagasaki, on
she deat of Police
le broke ber tails Thursday, the southera district, instead north of the hilla Possibly I might have which by resointion of the Legislative Council
tail shaft. Very shortly be included in this sub-zootion:"
them in the Gazette.
not use that power as a ralp. The power after the accident a Japanese steamer Love Hora. Mr. bon, member was going to arpress the views
STEWART-I am a busy man and has hitherto been used, as it was moant to bo Those two districts have already been defined
Hon. Ms.
sight, offered to wood, for inquiries into fights, disturbances, and Kobe, but refused to bring her to that he did. At prosent I entirely endorse the by an
"published in the Gazette in English and policy of the Government.
The COLONIAL SECRETARY-We have heard things of that sort, The COLONIAL
The day after the The NBY.GENERAL-With
"be deleted, and the words "laid on the that Chinese regard
tetory before. Hon. Mr. STEWART-Your Excellency,
made by the hon embor table of the Legislative Council" aubstituted. Hon. Mr. Iwer-The hon. member does When the New Territories became part of the to the
and offered to tow her to Shanghai. the Justices of the Peace HiS EXCELLENCY-I would point out that not appreciate the point I make, that if we
There was a heavy ses running at in that, King's Dominions, little more than a decade who represents
the time, not soem to be any sense in that the Bill entailed changes which ars
there dear sgo, the civilization of the inhabitants was of drastic, that is not so, As a matter of fact there
and the boat lowered by the Monteagle was because under section 6 the Legislatore gires adopt this we will be revolutionising the gor
ernment of the Colony.
lamaged. Nevertheless it made its way soross the most primitive kind, compared
with
that
make certain few
Haz power to
Mr. of the Chinese inhabitant of Hongkong.
STEWART--It is only in connection very changes, and hardly any the Governor-in-Council
to the Armenia, and brought back a theso-inch rulos. All section 7 mys is that the Governor with taxation- of principle abange
make rules for
doing
the things Lau. Mr. HEWETT—I still maintain with all
wire hawser to the Monteagle. The ses ras too rough to venture to tow the Armenia with this I Mr. Stewart-Her, hear.)
dus deference to the hen. member, that bis tions prevailing in the early days of British rule.
hawsar, and accordingly it was used to carry a the statement of
is a beard, Hon. Mr. STEWART-Sub-section 1
proposal is
shain esble back to the German ship.
Thirty skirmishing Excellency took
to lery taxes and to HIS EXCELLEECY-I would point ent to the
fathoms of this cable wore paid woich stended to establishment air pisiting have nothing to say upon the interesting tion & gives him
ther the and ont, Monteagle took the Armenda in tow and suc rule, and you probably owo your life to the last general cutlize which he has drawn up on the farm the various manufactures. It affects the hon. member that under section 2 all regule the that creas bowa do not carry far and that the promising sondition of the New Territorios, liberties of the inhabitants of the New Tordi- which are voluminous am re-enactments,
torian,
ceeded in bringing her safely to Woong, how much more they have become con-
the difference in and
in my mind between the precision. gingal is not a
existing regulations are in forco. I.
Considering the we the Monteagle's fest a weapon
remem-
publishing these regulations in the Gazette and
STEWART-We are Mr.
looking
STEWART This sub-section seems
Weather extremely smart piece of seamanship. It Bir, thore is from the villages around, which betokoned
is practically nothing in this
vory practical difference. No
reads and
was only will have to modify existing regulations Who is to docids that the evidence is false d you ne drastic change. As regards section
as tits goes on.
to devise I wiek
machinary by Hos Mr. OSBORNZ-He is prosecutor and her bost until she began to tow the Armenia Whore you find walled and moated
are brought villages;
she arrived at Woosung only five hours late which they may be modified publicly.
judge in one. ronds non-existent, and wheel tratte therefore hon. friend has drawn attention to the words too busy. But if the regulations are
Early on Banday morning the Alexandra and that I did not That section is as before members of this Council, and their attan-
HIS EXCELLANC-I must say the
Hon. Mr. STEWART-What sort of proof do other commodity." unknown; commerce conducted by packman, of Buy
Valean towed the Armenia up to the Cosmo- or rather pack-woman, and the area of of 1899 with the addition of the word "man-
of the exact reproduction of section 3 of the Ordinance tion is drawn to them, the light of public know the Castle was so
criticism is directed to them in a more effective the usual form. of making tromsed. Itis I you want that the evidence is false, and how are')
politan Dook. things known.
you going to get it? market for the exchange of commodities
haring unloaded most of her way than
if they were merely published in the The COLONIAL SECRETARY-Section 6 does restricted scoordingly, you are sure to find the factures." Lowever, I understand my on. Chectic. This request of the unofficial members not give the Governor-in-Connal power to be tried before & magistrate.
friend has already made some representations agriculture orade, and a backward
is not made now for the first t time.t
taxation-only to regulate it. and unprogressive population. Civilization is with regard to that olanse to the Government,
Hon. Mr. HEWEIT The him to the extent of prepared to of mainly dependent on means communication d
Imembers. I dissent the right to desl or manufacture in certain and transport.
STEWART It was made in an argu- things. Does that not impose taxation on the out the words ' **any This Hear, her) by leaving out backward and
ment lasting up till eight o'clock in the passing of people who buy it? unprogressivo population. was the condition of the people of the New other commodify whatever" and inserting the the Liquore Ordinace, when the same objecten,
The COLONIAL SECRETARY-I don't think Territorios when we took them over in 1899. words "keroeste oil, or any dangerous goods as
defined by the Dangerous Goods Ordinance of was, I think, put forward to regulations being so. Not in the sense of taxation. The Kowloon hills formed a natural barrier, 175 or any other commodity which by made in secret and the public having no means of Hon Mr. STEWARI-But in a very practical cutting the inhabitants of the New Territories off from the stimulating influence of intercourse resolution of the Legislative Council may criticising them until they were published in the
NEW TERRITORIES ADMINISTRATION
ORDINANCE.
member,
The ATTORNEY-GENERAL moved the second it will be the New Territory
reading of the Hill entitled, "An Ordinance to regulations
consolidate and amend the laws relating to tho administration and regulation of the New Territories"
inhabitants where exirs crime
nassas
Hoa.Mr.
Mr.
in
is one
The ATTORNEY:GBIERAL-A point of order. When we go into committee on the Bill any member can challenge any clause.
table of this Conncil?
on this
in the
The COLONIAL SECRETART No, it does not. Hon. Mr. OBZORNE -Ånd the Excentive Council has only two unofficial members, one of whox very often is absent, and there is 20
ди
Hon. Mr. OSBOENT-I. don't say he is sny. beiter, but he is of vest experience ani sn older
man.
or ho is a
Họn. Mr. STEWART-There are powers le tax people.
The COLONIAL SECEETART-The powers gives to the Governor-in-Council are always within the four corners of the Bill.
Hen. Mr. OSBORNE-Then add those words
Bill"
Hon. Mr. HawETT-No, noi oldur, very often boy of twenty-six and has power over ve million people.
The ATTORNEY-GENERAL-I think the ques tion is covered by the Magistrates' Ordinance. Sections 10 and 11 of the Bill both bring in the provisions of the Magistrates' Ordinance of 1890. Hon. Mr. OSBORNE That seems to be Bufficient.
The clouse was then passed. On clause 10 (I);
HOL, Mr. STEWART-Will the powers under this section be used in the event of the Crown its own cases F
to the Bill, Bir, "not incompatible with the desiring to get information to work up one of
principles
of this
·
HIS EXCELLENCY-I have never known it to a nod for that purpose.
Hon. Mr. STEWART-Could it be used for that purpose?
Hon. Mr. HEWETT-I take it it would be missed if it were.
As regards clause 58, words have been added so of gas is vertainly economical and The only, dissentients were the Hon Mr. years hence there may be some point for the Government.
if a
for
72
the
of as herstofore by the Registrar-General,poken more strongly had I had an idea that made ET—I move, Sir, that the have not got time to read the Gazette.
an Order in SICHTBY seconded.
No ou knowa better
по опо опа
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words
than your Excellency,
involving any dinance, on in-Council desaribe half so well, the condi- in the whole consolidating agros with be in standandar seien 6
iny
hon.
but
HIB
an
The ATTORNEY-GUNZEAL Moved that the
following new sinuse be added: "This Ordinanco shall come into operation on December 1st, 1910. the motion was agreed to.
The GOLONIAL SCORETAEr acconded, and
On Council resuming —The ATTORNEY-GENERAL moved the' third reading of the Bill
The COLONIAL SKCRETAIf seconded, and the Bill was read a third time and passed. PROMISSORY DATES ORDINANCE AMENDENT.
· The ATTORNEY-GENERAL moved the second reading of the Bill entitled, "An Ordinance to anised the Promissory Osths Ordionucə 1869.“ In doing so he said-The object of this Bill, Sir, is to amend the subadule so as to pro- vide that Justices of the Paco in future may be sworn by one of the Police Magistratos Instead of in the presence of the Governor. I may say that the system prevailing at. Home is
tice of that a Justice the Pesca ea bo sworn before
other two Justices.
The COLONIAL SECRETARY seconded and the
s pgreed to.. motion was
Conzoil thou wont into committed to con- sider the Bill clause by clause.
On resuming, the AFDENEY GETHRAL reported that the Bill had passed through committee without amendment and moved that it be road a third time.
The COLONIAL SECRETARY seconded, and the Bill was road a third time and passel.
H1 EXCELLENCY--Couci adjourns until this day week,
THE ACCIDENT TO THE HL-A. L. 8. "ARMENIA."
tow
her either to
in
FOR YR. STEWART-So long as it is under. Shanghai Monteagle fell in with the disabled
says a
The
stood that it is to be used in that way I don't object.
The clause was passed. Hen. Mr. OSBORNE-What is the difference between a police officer and a constable? clause
police offiser
or constable. Hre BACHELENA real will be above the rank of
of a constable. HOR.
Mr. STEWART-A constable is also a police officer, isn't he?
The COLONIAL SECRETARY-Not necessarily: constable is a private. Claus
21 (2),
All
a
Tessel,
ber asing, at Taipo, a heap of arms, collected tiguous to masinco the opening of the raway laying them on the table of this Convicil is towards the future. Conditions will shange to give extraordinary powers to the Land Ofloor, was awo hours from the time she lowered
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stata of civilization primitive in the extreme, ¦ Blll which involves any enunge, and certainly the Gazette, I am sorry to say; most people are
Art 6701
The ATTORNEY- GENEBAL—The man has to
and
His EXCELLENCY-The evidence will disclose of
The hangbai, was very light at the time
in
of the accident, drawing only 19 teet. Ap
the break in the shaft was close parently
t. When those are bad you find aauending that of. Mr. Stewart made now by the no request is not being Mr. STEWART Ha farms out, he sallait Athame to Coast can send s man to gaol the boss, as the propeller was seen to be canted
Ho
senze.
And
for
perjury discloses itself. STEWART- It is a most dangerous Hon. Mr. power for any judge to have,
The COLONIAL SECERTARY They have it In Hongkong already.
The ArzoRNET-GENIBAL-This is based on section 12 of Ordinance 4 of 1900..
and the tail of the shaft was dopromod i
use of a chain cable instead of a ha weight will keep it in the water, whine a explained by the fact that the chain
wire inwser would be subjected to rach Jörkr and strains in a heavy sen that it would almost certainly part.-N. Ó. Daily News..