HONGKONG LEGISLATIVE ....
COUNCIL.
A meeting of the Hongkong Legislative Council was held yesterday in the Council Chamber.
The following wore present- HIS EXCELLENCY THE GOVERNOR, Sta FREDERICK JOHN DEALTRY LUGARD, K.C.M.G, C.B., D.SO.
Hon. Mr. A. M. THOMON (Acting Colonial Secretary).
Sir HONEY BERKELEY, KC. (Acting At torney-General),
Hon. Mr. O.MT. MESSE (Colonial Treasurer), Hon. Mr. P. N. H. JONES (Acting Director of Public Works).
Hon. Mr. A. W. Bawa (Registrar-General) Hon. Mr. E. L. BADELEY (Capt. Superinten dent of Police).
Hou. Dr. Ho Kai, K.C., C.M.G.
Hon. Mr. E. A. HEWETT.
Hon. Mr. E. ORDONNE,
Hon. Mr. W. J. GRESSON
Hon. Mr. MURDAY STEWART,
Hon. Mr. WEI YUK, C.M.G.
Mr. C. LEMENTI (Clerk of Councils),
MINUTES.
The minutes of the last meeting were read
and confirmed.
PAPERL
The COLONIAL SECRETARY, by or mmand of the report of the assessment of the Colony for His Excellency the Governor, laid on the table
118 EXCELLENCT-All these sub-scotiens are taken verbatim from the Straits Ordinance, The Straite Ordinance does not contain the word European, but the Farmer asked us to put that word in.
Hon. Mr. HEWETT-Bay non-Asistio. You You have might appolut an Australian. Australians and Now Zealanders in the Govern ment
service at the present moment. They surely could
could not come under the heading of Europeans,
HIS EXCELLENCY-Do you wish to propose an amendment?
Hon. Mr. HEWETT-No, I simply wanted to raise the question as to whether the word European was comprehensive enough or not
The ATTORNEY-GENERAL-It is not absolutely comprolensive, but it is the most comprehensive word I could get,
Hon. Mr. CBBORNE-There are very few European officers who can read Chinese books. The COLONIAL SECRETARY I Am afraid my or the colony, in eum, Europeans do not my friend does not understand the system under read the books themselves, but they know enough to superintend the reading of books,
The ATTORNEY-GENERAL-Clanso 9 demands that the Farmer shall from time to time prodneo for inspection his books. He has asked that the word European should be inserted.
Hon. Mr. Osos E-I take it that if you want to see the Opium Farmer's books to find ont what profit he makes you will want a capable
officer.
HIS EXCELLENCY-If necessity should arles ment will appoint an officer capable of doing it for inspecting the Farmer's books the Govern
er thought that his books might be inspected at any time by Chinese who might give away particulars.
THE HONGKONG DAILY PRESS, FRIDAY, JUNE 25TH, 1909.
Hon. Mr. HENETT-Knowing what the opposition of the colony is, I think this bill should have been put bafore ne earlier, and I think it is a vary poor argument that the Gov- erment should come forward now and ask us to rush the bill through before a certain date. I for one, representing the unofficial members of the community, wish to make my protest.
once an element of uncertainty would enter lato the bargain with the new farmer. But if the terms of the advertisement for the tender are fired and definite I do not see that there would be any such risk. There would be no risk to prospective farmers. The terms offered to them would be just the same an if the clauso were made absolute now. no real riak to Government, inasmuch as Government has absolute power and can exercise it on the occasion of the eventual resolution in Council, with just as much effect as now, and with a much bettor
That is the point. grace I invite some concession to the difficulty of our position, the unofflotal position. The practical benefit of the concession which I suggest may not be apparent to those who lightly regard the position of the unofficial members of this Council; it will be best appreciated by those who imagine that we are intended to represent the wishes of
consideration the community. To display wards the wishes of the community as re the general question we can chim to have the prosented by as in this particular case-and in Community behind us-would have a certain difference.
affect towards making the polior alatable. That was held to be a desirable object a year ago. Now that we are face to face with the material consequences it is uo less desirable. Indeed, the community may be treated with greater consideration now than then. It is hateful to be reduced by circumstances into haggling about money when appealed to on grounds of paramount duty to civilization. Bet the duty that lies nearest us in the Council is duly I my conception of that is to claim the right to discuss matters affecting our to this Colony, and
afler, they have settled over
to-
Hoa Yr. GRESSON-I cannot see why you wont a definite tonder. If you agree to do what we are asking you can get all your figures to gether, and the Treasurer can get on and prepare the estimates. I cannot see how it affects a man it does not seem to me to make the slightest who is going to tender to make the thing logal;
HIS EXCELLENCY-There is no question about making the tonder legal. What we wish is not to create any doubt in the mind of a tenderer that the divans will be kept open u result of this clause being held over.
The ATTORNEY-GENERAL-It is a question of destroying the value of the offer to be mad Section 10 deals with the prohibition of opiunt divans.
HIS EXCELLENCY-We have not only got to make up the budget, bat accept or decline tender. That is to say, that the Government has to accept a tender although the Council has Hon. Mr. STEWART-Outside the hope is
as a
the year 1909-1910; and the roport of the Har. If the word European were not put in the Farm-revence, before, and not only the Colony mut not passed a resolution enabling it to do so. Boeretary of State had only promised to ask
bour Master for the year 1908
FINANCIAL MINUTES.
The COLONIAL SECRETARY, by command of His Excellency the Governor, laid on the table Financial Minute No. 28, and moved that it be referred to the Finance Committee.
The COLONIAL TREASURER ended, and the motion was agreed to.
FINANCIALA
The COLONIAL SECRETARY, by command of His Excellency the Governor, brought up tho Report of the Finance Committee (No. 7) and moved its sdoption.
The COLONIAL TRE SUBER seconded, and the motion was agreed to.
STAMP ORDINANCE AMENDMENT. The ATTORNEY-GENERAL moved the first reading of a Bill oatitled An Ordinanca to amend The Stamp Ordinanco 1901 as amended by The Stamp (Amendment) Ordinance 1902.
The COLONIAL SECRETARY seconded sud the motion was agreed to.
PRISON AMENDMENT ORDINANCE. The ATTORNEY-GENERAL Moved the Second- reading of the Bill entitled An Ordinance. to amend The Prison Ordinance 1899. In doing so he said The object of this Ordinance is to make it an offence for an officer of the prison to give a prisoner any article which by the rules of the prison he is forbidden The Frison Ordinance at the present time is
defective in that respect.
The COLONIAL SECRETARY seconded and the motion was agreed to.
Council then resolved itself into a committes of the whole Council to consider the bill clausa by eloase.
On resuming,
The ATTORNEY-GENERAL reported that the bill had passed through committee without amendment and saked the Council to consent to a suspension of the rate and to allow the bili to be read a third time, as it was very expedient that the Ordinancs should be amended in this respect as soon as possible.
The Bill was then read a third time and parsed.
memorandum
TEAKWAYS ORDINANCE AN
AMENDMENT. The ATTORNEY-GENERAL moved the socond reading of the Billentitled Aordinance to sriend The Tramways Ordinance 1883. In doing so he sald-The object of this bill, as stated in the is to compel persons who travel by trams to give up their tickets when re quested to do so by oficials or to pay their fare from the place whence they started. There is a olause in the bill which empowers officials to arrest any person who deelines to show bis ticket or to pay his fare.
The COLONIAL SECRETARY seconded and the motion was agreed to.
Council then went into committee to con sider the bill clause by clause.
On resuming,
The ATTORNEY-GENARAL reported that the bill had passed the committee stage without
amendments, and moved that the bill be read a third time.
The COLONIAL SECRETARY seconded and the bill was read a third time: aud. родвей
TRANSFER OF OFFICERS OLDINANCE. The ATTORNEY-GENERAL moved that Conn- vil should go into Committee on the Bill entitled An Ordinance to transfer to certain Officers of the Public Service certain duties at present performed by other Officers.
The COLONIAL SECRETART seconded and the motion was agreed to.
The ATTORNEY-GENERAL-We left olaus 6 over for further consideration, and I now propose to strike it out altogether because the transfer it has been proposed to affect by clause 6 can be effected under the provisions of the existing ordinance.
Council then resumed, and the ATTORNEY-- GENERAL reported that the bill had passed through committoo with a slight amendment. He moved the third reading of the bill.
The COLONIAL SECRETARY seconded and the bill was read a third time and passed.
PATENTZ DRDINANCE AMENDMENT,
The ATTORNEY-GENERAL moved the post ponement in the committee stage of an Ordinance to amend the Patents Ordinance 1892. The Bill had, he wid, been sent to the Law Society for consideration and such "observations AD
as they may desire to mako. The COLONIAL SEC.ETARY seconded and the motion was agreed to.
PREPARED OPIUM DEDINANCE AMENDMENT.
The ATTORNEY-GENERAL-I move that.
whole Council for farther consideration of the bill entitled an Ordinance to amend the Pre- pared Opina Ordinaves 1891.
Hon. Mr. OSBORNE It taken an expert to understand books kept in the European way, It would want a very expert man to understand Chinese books.
H18 EXCELLENCY - What would you pro- pose? If you don't put the word European in it may deteriorate the value of the farm, through the fear of Chinese inspecting the books and giving away information.
Hon. Mr. HEWETT I think we may assume that the Government will always have one official of European origin capable of under standing Chinese books,
The COLONIAL SECRETARY-I should say we have six.
our heads.
that there may be some modification of section
10.
HIS EXCELLENCY-I don't think you take my point. As a matter of principle tho Govern ment, being compelled to make up its estimates, would have to definitely accept a tonder while the Legislative Council had not yet been able to do so. A resolation would be still pending bringing into operation that clause. That is to say, the Government would have to act ultra vírcs.
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THE CADET SHIP MERSEY."
The White Star Line cadet ship Mersey. completed her first voyage round the world last mouth and was berthed in the London Dock. She was fitted out by Messrs. Ismay, Imrie, and Co, last year for the purpose of their scheme of educating cadets as apprentices in a first-class ship under their own flag. She left
what the intention of the Home Government was, unofficial members that they have not opposed! and there is no reason why this bill should not have the bill because they fail to recognise the We have tegency of the recessity for calling for tenders been before Council tix months ago. rather been taken unawares, and we are saked for the Farm, or that they had any objections to to pass this bill although the Government are the proposals embodied in the bill for in none THOROUGHNESS
of the long speeches delivered by hon. perfectly well aware that we are opposed to it.
The COLONIAL SECRETARY You knew a was a single exception taken to the pr
had of the bill tlf. During the passage through And there isyear ago that it was to be passed, and have
OF CONSTRUCTION the second reading none of the principles of the plenty of time to discuss it.
bill were called in question. The votes recorded by unofficial members on the second were clearly stated to have been recorded protest against the action of the
to obtain Imperial Government, and in order more precise wording of the promise made by the soretary of state. That protest was made on the second reading, and it was emphasised by the unanimous vote against the bill of the unofficial members. Bat they do not show themselves hostile to the provisions of the bill and I trust therefore that they will not vote against the third reading, since their protest, the Council I would remind you that if the majority dial throw out this bill wo STAMPING THEM IN EVERY WAY has been already recorded in the minutes of
should be in a situation in which I think be placal; that is to say, tenders would no nuofficial member desires that we should and the estimates. have to be hung up deferred. I am not aware myaalf that any difference in this general optam question does exist between the unofficial members and the Government. We are all agreed that it should BUILT THROUGHOUT FOR he gradually suppressed and the unofficial meru bars in their speechos particularly emphasised. this point. Their objection, which was clearly stated, is that they wish for a mere precise and de inite wording of the Secretary of State's promise. On the one hand it was suggested that the Parliament and possibly Parliament might refuge. Lord Crewe in a despatel which I read to this Comell did not say that be as Secretary of State for the Colonies would ask the Treasury's That is a form of sanction fer a
quite familiar and which request which is quit onee known to be unsuccessful. in my own experience I have more than used, however, were to hy one conversant with the language of state departments Ho said that His very different indeed. Majesty's Government would sak Parliamont, Hon. Mr. GRESSON-Cannot you put a clause that is to say, that the speaker or writer spoke ia to accept the tender some months afterwards?s a member of the Government and declared. HIS EXCELLENCY-I fail to see whore the that Government would go to Farliament for a If Parliament refused the object comes in you have in view, because by certain object. what has already been said at this table, the request of the Government it would mean the only object is to meet the question again. You defeat of the Government, and we all know that the defeat of the Government is a serious can say all that has to be said on the debate on
matter. That is how
I read the des. Bovel on August 20 last with 40 osdots on the estimates.
patch, and that is why I stated to Council that I considered the promise se definite as it board, bound for Sydney with a general cargo, could be. In the second place, it has been sag ander the command of Lieutenant F. W for, but I think that on secoul thoughts the The Mersey is a fast sailing clipper ship of greeted that a definite proportion should be naked Corner, R.N.R. hon. member who raised this suggestion will 1,829 tous, and she made the voyage round agree with me that such a request is not a feas the Cape to Sydney in two days under able ons. I think that no business man at this three months. Favourable weather was ex- table would plaige himself to give a definite perienced during the greater part of the outward proportion of a loss when the basis of calculation voyage. On the early morning of October 19, is not yet settled. The hon. member at the end in 38 degrees 53', 62 degrees F., the Mersey the trade had was caught in a moderate gale, and while rolling of the table pointed out that topsom tld fall in in a heavy sea one of the cadets, a lad of 16 great Various directions, I myself pointed out in a pamod Ward, who was on the poop heaving the memorandum which I laid upon this table that logs was carried overboard and lost. The ship Hon. M. STEWART-Then we shonkl.
the opium trade has wide ramifications and its was brought to, but it was impossible to lower a discussings thing after it has been done extinction will involve loss in many different bost in the dangerous breaking sea, and the
HIN EXCELLENCY It practically has been done already. We have the definite sasarance channels, hut the loss on this trade does not unfortunate boy was not seen again. In tho of the Secretary of Stats that he will make depend on the policy adopted in this colony Australian Bight, also, heavy sens
bat upon the policy adoptel in India. In encountered, but Bydney was reached without Hon. Mr. Esox-If the Secretary of State any case these are more or less direct losses further mishap. In Sydney the boys were well and the Secretary of State, bas received and entertained, and were given a
only good a substantial part of the loss. is so kind to us as to say he will give us this pledged himself to make good a substantial liberal allowance of leave. The homeward voyage bstantial amount, it seems to me that it would portion of the direct lossen. Still I think road the Horn, which was born on Jing A be very simple to give it a name.
HIS EXCELLENCY-I propose to say a few it quite conceivable that a difference of 16, was unrentful. Hood winds and calms delayed opinion may arise on the words "direct the Mersey considerably, and about a month words on that in the third reading. I will put on indirect which are open to discus was passed in the Doldrums. Shark fishing the hon, member's motion to the vote.
some of whom tried shark as food and declared The motion on being put to the vote was lost sion I may say that were I myself was one of the amusements of the cadets, by the casting vote of the Governor, all the undertaking a pledge in the name of the tax-
Lord Crewe has taken on behalf of the taxpayers has been exemplary, and their health has been unofficials roting for, and all the unofficials payers of this colony similar to the one which it to be excellent. The conduct of the cadets against it.
of the United Kingdom, I should certainly ut excellent. OuComell resuming theATTORNEY-GENE AL
In addition to obtaining practional experience commit myself, and I can say with confidence The COLONIAL SECRETARY You want to reported that the bill had passed through com that I do not think there is a business man at in working a ship at sen, the boys have been postpone the operation on section 10.
mitten with slight amendments He said-In this table who would not take the same instructed in navigation and the other branches The ATTORNEY GENERAL-Until Conciliow of the Importance of getting the estimates
now stands is, of seamanship under the mastership of Lieut. has approached the Home Government to make for the coming rear framed and laid tefore the lines. The position ne it I gather from the
which speeches
F. O Crows R. N. R., who possesses high good our losses.
Connoil at the earliest, and of the necessity of have been made, that this Council unanimously scientifle and scholastic attainments in naviga The COLONIAL SECRETARY The hon. having tenders for the Opium Farm advertised,
should be passed, tion and allied subjects. The progross mide Eas member must, understand that it is time the and in view of the fact that the bill has been thinks that this bil
to call for tenders, and in order that we been remarkable. At the entrance examination. preparation of the estimates was begun, but fully discussed by this Connell, I beg to more
may know as soon as possible what defluit we the average of marks obtained was only 242 per before we do so we must call for tenders for the that it be read a third time. Opium Farm, and two months" notice must be
The COLONIAL SECRETARY--I beg to second shall have to face and to make good in our cent. In a severe examination held daring The unofficial members desire to the last three wooks of the voyage the average motion, and I may say that the advertise given in newspapers in order to give & resson- able time to tender. You wish to advertisements calling for tenders for the Opiam Farm record their protest upon the aspect of the of marks obtained was 69 per cent, several of question which teaches the Imperial Govern the boys obtaining 94 per cent. The Board of I maintain that would be, Sir, from a mercantile point of view a piece of are already one month later than on the last ment and I may say does not touch the local Trade will hold an examination of the cadets in Government. In these circumstances I hope Loudon, and the boys will then be allowed to absolute folly, because we would never get a ocasion and the ocasion before.
that the unofficial members will unanimously proceed to their homes reasonable tender.
vote for the third reading of the bill in order to no divergence of opinion how that there is between us either as regards the general opium policy or as regards the necessity for the passing of this bill. (Applause)
have been relieved in a macature to leara from a telegram in the morning paper that the Opiura Conference has had the effect of suggest the to the world the great difficulty of ing
The authority for this state- opina question, ment is the Secretary of State for the Colonies. The difficulty thus revealed to the world was soon and stated long ago, in certain remote parts of the world, among others in this Colony. But previous to the receipt of this telegram there was some doubt as to how these difficulties were to be solved, or in any degree removed, by to holding a conference which did not confer, a commission which did not inquire, & mere series of formal meetings wherent sot speeches were read or recited by delegates debarred from discussing freely the morite of the
a whole. question ne
It seemed as if an unnatural union between religious senti- ment and political expediency were to issue in nothing but a litter of resolutions-still-born. Now, however, we are told that 'ere is a larger and a happier issue out of the affair--a widening of the bounds of knowledge of the subject dealt with. This Colony will have reason to feel
better op grateful if the raraits include s preciation of the diffruity and complexity, of the question dealt with, inasmual as that our difficulties and perplexities, and dur to the beneficial result of the uncertainty drastic measures forced upon us, will be to some extent shared and sympathised with by the wider world. This newly acclaimed prospect of a more widespread knowledge and under standing of the matter coconrages me to press for the small concession which will is verbatim with the present section of thebe made it Your Froloney can see your
way to accepting ny motion.
Hon. Mr. HEWETT -I was putting it at a minimum:
The ATTORNEY-GENERAL The object of this alteration is to inspire confidence on the part of tenderers for the next farm.
On clause 15,
The ATTORNEROZNERAL said I propose, Sir to substitute for sub-section 3 a clause more fully setting out what is to be prescribed and I would ask that the cause as printed be deleted and the following substituted To prescribe the keeping of such books and registers and the making of the Opium Farmer or dross such returns considered necessary or desir. farmer as may be able to permit of thorough investigation being made by the Government of the manner in which the farm business is conducted and the profite or losses derived therefrom.
BB-EXCELLENCY-The section as it stands
Strata Ordinance.
The ATTORNEY-GENERAL-This, sir, has been amplified at the request of the Farmer.
Hon. Mr. OSBORNE Is there any penalty attached to the keeping of false acconate by the Opium Farmer
Ordinance.
The ATTORNEY-GENERAL-There isn gener. al penalty for breach of the provisions of the Hon. Mr. OSBORNE That is not to convey that the Farmer shall keep correct accounts, The clause simply says he shall keep accounts.
The ATTORNEY-GEFERAT The Governor in Council makes rules for the keeping of accounts Hon. Mr. OSBORNE-And the method of accounts. Is that covered?
HIS EXCELLENCx, reading from the rules- "The Farmer shall for the information of the Government keep sneh books and make such returas, etc".
Hou Mr. OSBORNE The whole object of looking at the Farmer's accounts is to see what
he makes. profit.
The ATTORNEY-GENERAL —O† 1063. Hen. Mr. OsnoRNE-If there is over a loss Therefore it is to his interest to hoodwink the European officer who goes there to examine his books, and if it is to his interest be will certainly do it.
The COLONIAL SECRETARY Some European companies do that,
Hon. Mr. GRESSON-Chinese keep two sets of books at say rate.
Hon. Mr HEWETT-The man is under contract with the Government and surely if ho cooks his books he is liable to the ordinary results of a criminal act.
he COLONIAL SECRETARY-This low is part
contract.
kis Hon. Mr HEWETT-And if he breaks it by xalaifying his books he is liable to the criminal law of the colony.
The ATTORNEY-GENERAL-Whom the time
comes the wording of the regulation will be such as to ensure that the books will be kept correctly.
it
The COLONIAL SECHETARY-I understand, Sir, that the object of the hon. member's speech is to postpons the operation of section 10, clause 10, matil such time as we may have had consider.
stion of the estimates for next year.
Hon, Mr. STEWART The paint is not my putting off the estimates. We, of course, know that we can discuss the present bill after the estimates, but then it is fait accompli. We are only discussing something which has been passed. My point was that when a resolution was brought up a year ago we saked that we might be allowed to discuss the bill before any steps were taken. The main object we props to discuss was the barten of taxaticu
tentativa tenders F
Hon. Mr. STEWART-The Government tondors on certain conditions. If a man accepta the tender it is nothing to do with him whether it is law or not.
The COLONIAL SECRETARY-Most of the conditions of the tender are in faw sul always have been,
HIS EXCELLENCY-ARY discrepancy be. tween the form of the tender and the law of the colony is avoided.
Hon. Mr. STEWART--I don't see any phjection at all to making a tender in the ordinary way as a tender is made in business. There is nothing behind the terms that you defer.
The COLONIAL SECRETARY-What terms are we going to defer?
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Hon. Mr. HEWETT-Presumably you won't put your estimates before the Consell for some months. In the meantime the debate will home to the Secretary of State and he may be induced to modify the views already expressed.
Hon, Dr. Ho KAI-When we receive tenders we shall know what we have to lose. Then it will be easy enough to telegraph home and ascertain whether we shall have a substantial part of that loss made good to us.
18 EXCELLENCY-The Government, as I endeavoured to point out, has got to accept a tender before making up the estimates, which we could not do if the resolution was carried.
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ostimates,
After the unofficial members had consulted with regard to the Governor's speech.
Hon. I. HEWETT asked-May I speak again in reply to your remarks just now? it.
18 EXCELLENCY-There is no rule against
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Hon. MY. HEWETT-Your Excellency, the unofficial members do not propose to defer the third reading, because we do not wish to appear to be unnecessarily obstructive in the passing of the menenre, but it is true that we
In the June number of Travel and Explora- do propose to vote against the third read
tion Mr. A. G. Adshead, himself a successful for reasons very fally explained at the last meeting and also while in committee on the
settler in Canada, replies to a previous article which dwelt on the dark side of the experiences bill this afternoon. We consider in to fret
awaiting the British smigrant in the Dominion. place, that before His Majesty's Secretary of
In the course of his article, which is illustrated • State for the Colonies peremptorily ordered the Colony to adopt a curtain policy, he should at
Hon. Mr. Ezwer-When the unofleial from photographs, Mr. Adsheat seeks to lay
one very common ghost." Much, he says, been heard about the Englishman in Lansda. least have had the courtesy to offer the com- munity an opportunity of presenting reasoned members came here this afternoon they had opinion against the proposed resolution and
"Letters from disappointed emigrants are fre again at what they considered unfair treatment On clause 17.
allowing the matter to be discussed. That was aged, in order to emphasise their protest not done, but certain fozders were sent cat here on the part of the Home Government, to vote quently reproduced in the English Press, and in other ways it has been sought to create an But in view Hon. Mr. M. STEWART-I move the following
this Clausethe insertion Hon. Mr. STEWART-You defer the terme in a peremptory matiner and the result is the against the third reading, smendment to
of your Excellency's remarks the unofficial impression that Englishmen are not welcomed. prepared to vote for the A suficient answer to all such statements
insinuations ів the fact that after the word forthwith" of these words adopting the phraseology from this bill exactly passing of this bill. We further consider, as
in "Bastion 10 shall not coms into operation the same as if it went through without this fully explained this afternoon and last Thurs members sura
overy Canadian until it has been approved by a resolation of clause. The unofficial members have asked for day, that before the bill is passed we should get third reading, as we entirely endorse what and the Legislative Council subsequent to the that amount of consideration and it should be definite assurancs from the Home Government Your Excellency said, that the protest was made every Canadian city and in
lucrative, responsible, and honourable positions. pacing of the Appropriation Bill for 1910. granted them. It makes no differenes to the as to what they mean by a substantial contri- against the setion of the Imperial Government town Englishmen are at this moment holding beg the Government to consider whether Government except, as far as I can see, in point bation. For these reasons, Sir, the anoficial and has nothing to do with local Government. Nor is there any farming, rauching, mining or members propose to vote against tho. third We trust that while voting for this third read lumbering district in Canada where English- this suggestion does not offer a reasonable of face.
ing of the hill Your Excellency will put it on HIS EXCELLENCY-If there was any way of reading. means of compromise between the unofficial
HIS EXCELLENCE-Gentlemen, when this record that although we withdrew opposition to me, to so & Transatlantic idiom, have not and official positions in this matter. The meeting the wishes of the unofficial members
city of Winnipeg ever had was a official position I take to be this. Until the Government would be most glad to adopt it. bill was read a second time the unofficial mom third reading in deference to Your Excellency's made good. The most able mayor that the tenders for the now farm have been received The only affect would be to place doubt in bers unanimously voted against it, and therepre expressed with, we do protest against ile Englishman, who reached Winnipeg in 1868 impossible to ascertain the direct loss to the mind of a tenderer on a subject in which sentative of the Chamber of Commerco has just hit being passed in the manner it has been with a kit of workman's tools as his sole told us that the unofficials proposed again to-day Our object in protesting against the third worldly possessions. Whatever prejudice revenue due to closing the divans in March next: there is no doubt whatever. Until this direct loss line thas been ascertained Hon. Mr. STEWART-The terros of the tender to vote against the third reading. I hope that reading was to emphasise the protest runde at
to approach the Home being fixed and definite, a man caiuot, as I after the few words I have to say they may alter the second reading. Our protest still stands, exists against Englishmen is due to the fact that to define the promised contribution towards the terms under which he was tendering.necessary to pass the hill, in order to sall for Excellency's wiehus.
tenders which are already delayed, as my hon. The bill was then read a third time and HIS EXCELLENCx-It might be the terms on it. To arrive at the exact sum of the
about a passed, direct loss it is necessary to get the new tenders which he was tendering, but he would still read friend on the left has told
hare, HSI EXCELLE CY-Council stands adjourned in. To obtain these it is necessary to make the the debate and think that the helding ever of month beyond the usual date.
until next Thursday.. as you know, to be forwarded to Sing- new conditions known. In order to make clause 10 implied a doubt.
Hon. Mr. STEWAny If he read the debate it spor ant elwhere and we require to know The ATTORNEY-GENERALSaid There are one the new conditions known this Bill must be
the amounts tendered before we begin the I understand it, is the would make no difference. or fwó verbal alterations. In anb-section 8 I pro- passed. Thut, as.
HIS EXCELLENCy-I think the unofficial preparation of the Estimates. I did not pose to insert the word "European" before the official position, an revealed in the debate on the word "officers" in the third line so that it shall second reading he objection to it, from the members will have every opportunity of discuss wish to frame the conditions of tender and to read
sach other European officers to inspect unofficial point of view, is that this method of ing this on the budget demie, when I shall have circulate them before this bill had been dis the farmu."
making known the new terms ignores the the duty and pleasure of bringing forward the cussed in Council, in order that members should Hea. Mr. HEWETT-Wouldn't the word protest contained in the resolution usnimously statement of revenue which it is anticipated we have every opportunity of discussing the condi tions on which the tendere would be based. Had Occidental be better than the word European? supported a year ago by the unofficial members shall receive from opium
Hon. Mr. STEWART-The step will then have the tenders been circulated earlist in anticipe "against any steps being taken to carry out The ATTORNEY-GENERAL-The word Baro.
been taken, but if
if this resolation is agreed to tion of this bill the terms of this bill would pean is always used even in speaking of the order annonusat la Parliament on the
Americans came from Europe and 6th before this Commoil shall have been now it will remain to be taken.
practically have been settled without reference Americans. in that sense the Americans are Europeans. called upon to consider the methods by which HIS EXCELLENCY-I see your point, but I to Comel Moreover, it is possible that
Hon. Mr. HEWETTA citizen of the United it is proposed to readjust the burden of do not agree with it. I think it is only likely some discrepancy might have been found vote a sum of two hundred dollare (8200) in States of America might not be a European, taxtion
If this Bill revocable step taken
through in its te raise doubt in the mind of tenderers. later between the east words of the ten-aid of the vote Charitable Services, Passages
and Relief of Destitutes. The COLONIAL SECSETARY-The tonder ders and the terms of the Ordinance which
The CHAIRMAN-This was to pay, the passage He might be an Oriental. It seems that Oc. present form it will be an cidental is a better word and has the same before we have had an opportunity of consider must be stated exactly..
was passed subsequently, and this might have meaning as European. You might have a man ing these methods. But if its present form Hon. Mr. HEWETTI do not see why you led to alaims for compensation or for the of a destituts. When the question of a passage the 24th inst., and is due here on the 27th inst,
Brose we found that the vote was exhausted. from
anads who would not be a European wore to be altered in the manner i saggest, by should not call for alternative tenders, and its repudiation of his contract by the Farmer. It we found $25 for the passage of a deportes 23rd inst, and is due here on the 27th inst the insertion of a clause making the son just as easy to call for tenders now. The ples is now sa urgent matter to pass the hill as Roto Singapore, with the additions of a certain although he was a Canadian,
The COLONIAL SECRETARY-He would templated step subject to a subsequent resoin put forward by the Colonial Secretary about time as possible, as my hon. and learned friend on the certainly be a European. Any hoy born of tion in Council, this objection would be getting on, and that we must not waste any European parents here is not a Chinese. We removed. It may be urged against this more, seems to me a futile one. The Govern that unless Section 10 is made absolute at ment hare known for the last fourteen months are dealing with race of descent.
Connail resolve itself intó committee of the it is impossible request more narrowly understand it, have any doubt in his mind of that intention: I explained before that it is we merely withdraw it in deference to Your they assimilate les quickly than do-the Scots-
K18 EXCELLENCY-We have got as far as the end of section 2."
On clause 11.
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FINANCE COMMITTEE.
A meeting of the Finance Committeo then held, the COLONIAL SECRETARY presid- ing
The following vote was passed
CHAKITABLE SERVICES.
The GOVERNOR recommended the Council to
laft suggested, and Connell agreed to take the sun to keep the Colony going in the transpor- third reading his afternoon. It is clear fromation of the destitutes until the end of the the speeches which have been made by different
year.
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and the Irishman, and members of certain other races. The situation has been aggravated by the deading out of a large number of Eng liek ne'er-do-wells and remittunge men whose room at home is preferable to their company, certain amount of friction was inevitable, and had the stream of emigration boon from Canada to England, friction would have bee equally inevitable in the Old Country. Hard feelings against Englishmen are discouraged. and deprecated by the responsible Canadian Prese, and it is very generally admitted that when ones an Englishman has found his bear inge in the Dominion he usually becomes a better Canadian than members of any other nationality or race."
LATEST STEAMER MOVEMENTS.
The CN. Co.'s str. Chishua left Shanghai on The C.N. Co.'s str. Fochow left doji on the. The Indo-Chins str. Latvany left Calcutta may be expected here on or about the 5th prox. for this port via the Straits on 10th inst., and The str. Dacre Castle arrived at Boston on the 22nd instant,