MAIL SUPPLEMENT TO THE HONGKONG DAILY PRESS.
THE CHINESE EXTRADITION BILL
HONGKONG, BAIDEDAY, JUNE 185, 1889,
CHINESE EVIDENCE IN CHINESE outer the proposal of the Telegraphs Cour-
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Mr. O. B. Gesso
Mr. Ernest F. L. Travers
Major Chumpornowe,
Mr. H. J. Holmes ME John Androw
pany and not hastily reject it on account of the cost:
Mr. A: J-May
Mr. Keh Cheng Soon
Mr. Y. A. Harbort
BAILWAYS:
The sinction recently given by the Turne iday to The schema of railway construction in China is, in the opinion of the Chinese Times; shaking among the dry boos Our Tien-
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MP. D. Gntiorros
Mr. J. M. da Silva RH, Kimball
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Major Miles, H.A.
Mr. Sercombo Smith
W. J. H. Hancock.
Mr Granville Bharp Mr. C. W, Duggan
~ ́Surgeon C. I. Volan
Liout. Thomas Warnas.. Mr. Joroy
Mr. J. D. Humphrey
My Henry Humphroya Mr. Robert Lyall
Mr. F. Hauderson
Mr. M. Gray
Mr. 7. K. Dealy
Mr. P. G. Figg Mr. Dyor Dall Captain G. J.Butcher Mr. Chantroy Inchbald Mfr. Walter Judd
Mr. W. G. Barlow Mr. Crew
Bov. 9, La P. T.-Hexelup,
B.K. Mr. M. Gutierrez
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Mr. A. G. Vincent
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Hon. J. J. KICK-In connection with this there it would be disallowed, there is no question entirely clean-handed, are not so bad as they are Ordinanco I see no provision whatever made for about that At the same time I have thought a painted Usually they are man against whom any wish that may be expressed on the part of great deal over the matter and I think the same there is sound political churge.ce tau who are The action of the unofficial members' in.
the proprietor of the ground to most the views object may be sorved in andther way. I proposa wanted hasauna thay haya cams from Pezang or opposing the Chinese Extradition Bill in the How little dependence can be placed on any
that may be entertained by the authorities. He that wherever any person has bean for a good Singapore or sama othot place where the Chinese, documentary evidence which might be offer. THE CHINESE GOVERNMENT AND Mr. Get Hawkin's Legislative Council, after the announermented by Chinese officials of the guilt of a crimi
might be perfectly propared to place his pro time in the Colony, any one year, the case nauthorities could not lovy slavens upon thom. porty in order so as to avoid rosumption presented by the Magistrate together with thes This belief amounts to a conviction in my that the clause guilting evidence taken in al whces eztradition might be sought, our
of It by the rown. It appears to me it might depositions taken shall, before the Governor mind, and I am potisfied that if the Bill is Chinese courts was to be fatruck out, correspondent A Word in Season” showed
be possible to introduos a clause which would gives any warrant for extradition, be considered postponed for six months and close investi Mr. Grastar Von Wille in our issue
M, F. Dodwell. cannot be considered vary wise. To that pretty conclusively
give the proprietor some opportunity of ocE- by the Governor in Council with the aid of thogation mado into the matter. the authorities clanes there were undoubted and weighty last. The manner in which evidence is take,
Captain Hawlias, & A. Bight Rev. Bisher Bordon was taken away. I might also refer to the time only gives soonrity of proce. It is not common thieves or pirates. The circumstances Mr. F. A. Morzan
forring with the authorities lofore his ground Chist Justies of the Colony. Of course that of this Colony will see that the men are not objections, and to have rejected theor rather extorted, in Chinese courts recludes
Afr. d. Bramwell, Asth
the notios has to rus; three months. Perhaps I in opposition to the Treaty. It is therefore por of Hongkor, in which we are plund, nro oatirely altogether from acceptance in British in contemporary has bitterly assamad Bart
ought to have mentioned this verlier, but it bas featly allowable, and any conviction is that it will different from those which obtain elsewhere. I, Bill on its account, had it been intend-Court of Justice: The Kwany-pao of the rather optimist view of progress in China, Mr. M.
strack me since the alause was read that three have the same effect whils it is at the same time in common with everyons els, should be only Mr. H. L. Dalrymple ed that the clause should remain part 23rd inat, reporte à case which illustrates auf- and is inclined to attach more significance. Kan Hong Tako
months is not long enough in the caso of legitimate. I think if, as suggested, the Bill has too glad to see pirates and robbara turned out of of the measure, would have been a perfectly Roiently the utter impracticability of admit
mit the Imperiil adoption of milways, as a Rev. G. Hergh guoli
persons who own proporty and live at some caused fear, the knowledge that eron after bang this place and punished by their own authorities, dietance. It is quite trun the agents of snok dealt with by the Magistrate, the case of, residbit Ilonothalierothatthisistheania object of the justifiable and understandable course. Butting the garbled statements on which the necessity for the empire than we feel able to 3. 4. Brett, A
persoas enght to be able to look after the efits of sonia length of time, will be dealt with Chinesa authorities. I believe there is the desire with that clause removed the Bilt in every lives and liberties of parsons are tapered dn. We are ready to admit that, as the Mr. H.S. Woodcork, R.A.
property, but I believe there are many persons by the Governor in Connell with the assistance on their part, to snizitain Lheir domiz Tientsin with in Chips. According to our Canton con-
Isays, a railway to Haukom is Mr. JR. Young, E.F. cospect tolls in favour of persons wise ex temporary, two prisoners who had been sent an immense
alertaking, probably involving M. R. F. Drury
who depend for their comes on small properties of the fret tegal anthority in the solory, will their countrymen who livo acre the water, aul Captain Bayanlds, R.A.
they have hero, ladies at home, for insiauce, and cause those fears to be suppressed. That this anything which tands here to ween the bonde. tradition may be applied for. Not only does to the Nambbi Magistrate from Fatalan for the laying down of 300 miles of rails, but it Capt. Saskor, Ba
it soms hard, that there pézers, whom there is measure is a ascial one I have no doubt. which bind the Chinese eosi·lants to us would be it substitute-order for disorder in the prose tril on appearing before him denied the will not be built in a day, and ought Dr. Mitchell Cowie
no time to counicate with, should ran the have a report from the Police that sineen ergoadingly getro muitar. Tom at afled, at dure, but it gives than accused full opportu charge to which they had pleaded guilty in the be an enterprise to count the people who cou- Mr. James A. Sampson
risk of having their property resumed, in spite the introduction of this Bill a large num-the present tiras, sing is Delince has beex of the compensation they sro to get without ber of well-known criminals havs left the discussed, that a grahamber of Chinese hera nity of establishing his innocenes or throw.fire: instavce before the subordinate mandarin strusted the Grand Canal and the Great Mr.LG.1'Almada Castro
having an opportunity of conferring with the Colony, bat at the same time I a riven to who are haged of it, ye beer much alarmed. ing doubt on the bona fides of the Fatahan, and when questioned ne their ren Wall The motives governing the Imporis M. W. M. B. Artbur
Mr. G. Piercy ge
authorities. sons for such denial they avorred that the decision may possibly be mixed, but the Mr. Bar
understand that they intend, returning if this My attention was deawi only to lay to the cRNA HEXCELLENor-I did not stop you, all is thrown vat by the Cungoil, ni alhough of a Chinese gentlem of considerable position prosecution. The Bill was opposed by the confession had been extorted by torture, mainspring of them will, we are confident, Mr. B. Gordon Young
though it is not quite in order at this stage. we do not know that the men have been com- und standing, who has already, pud large stems unofficial members under the impression Doubtless this is true, and it is a typical case be found to be the desirability of perfecting award Goorgo
Rev. Rames Poroni
That should have been brought in either in the nitting crimes in this Colony, it is certain they of money to his own atharifin, whe bazing that they were fighting the battle of theThe mandarins defend the use of torture on or completing their scheme of defence against My Gorge D. Septt
Mr. J. A. Carvallio
form of an amendment or at the second reading. have been making it their basis for depredation head of the proposal clans of this Ordinance Mr. Woi Min-cha Chinese residents of he colony, wherong the ground that prisoners would never sneak possible invasion. This is no, it is tra, Mr. J. Getler:
However, I am not sorry on that account, too the neighbouring protines of Chins. That as to the Jagss of tímy in which “ho might ba etc., otc.. the sruth without it, but it is also freely allowed to appear clearly in the Imperial Rer. Henry E. Pollock
auto the principal proposition which is mate is a stato of things which is a scandal and will charged, said that if it were listed he would really they wre doing exactly the op-employed in compel a confession of guilt script to the memorial of the Viceroy OHANG In the afternoon at half past five o'clock ceived may consideration. I have got a proviso without in the slightest degree infang the in support of what has been said by the anofficial has already been suggested to me and has re-certainly sooner or later lead to trouble. If not foul sa anywhere Lad the few words. poate. The withdrawal of the objection. from innocent persons. The administration ni Cara-TUNG, but this was the main ground parole of the troops took place. The men hore on the subject, which however I have respectable Chiness toro, we can in any way mombors who have spoken betore me, and t able clanse dame newhat as a surprise, the law is so entirely corrupt in China, that on which the late TING JIE-CHANG advocated, were drawn en in double line extending not be time to consider fally as regards remedy ikut stake of things, we shall have that time will be given for further consideratin
done, and the the construction of railwars, and his views across the Parado Ground and Cricket Ground, and possibly caused some confusion in the substantial justice
the wording of it, It deals with the performed, a very valuable service. However, of this Urdinance, ininds of the her, members, but if they bad longest purse almost invariably wine, anlesa received very wide endorsement then in the Sikh battery of Artillery being placed como matter which the hoa. member proposes. the great stumbling block to general assent to The ACING ATTORNEY GEVORAL-The Ga
magistrate happena iz
right angles to the no at one end and the Resreely suppose that, considering what the measure, that clause about the depoi-vernment cunt accode to the proposal that ha ia uccasionally Peking. The following is the Rescript given auf previous consideration to the Bill the caseta be aburen bribe and anxious for we have received the replies of the Governors Royal Engineers at the other. A large con in the principal object of this Orlimacon, it is toes, has been removed. I shall explain to the been made, for several reasons. The present they ought to have apprehended the effect fair play. Whils, however, it is impossible decent and dovernors of the various const provinces course of people was prosons to witness the spec likely to be availed of. Thoro are cottalaly con- Soretary of State, who suggested the clause. Bill is a gear improvement on the low as it of upon the question of railways, in milich, the gabject tools, and by the time Major oneret Favan siderable di Beatties where a blook is to be romy rousons for so doing, but I cannot give them rest stands. That lay as her in operation of the change before the division stage was to regard evidence taken in Chinees Courts
or was exhaustively dispensed both favourably and Edwards and his stall appeared upon the scenesumed with a large number of different owners fully here.
since 1850. It was made unlr the Treaty of reached. That the old extradition was able that this Colony should continue to be matter in unnoosssary. We find that so jaemorial of pied. General Edwards then took up his position cost u dostain suar from one serner, if arenage drawal of luat clause with regard to the depost.comitted crimes and offenes
as of the alighteat value, it is most undusir adrenoly, and all Farther augmentation upon the every position overlooking the ground was - Where the buildings in one entire block world Han. P. RYRte Your Excellency, be thewith the Bogue, which providel that persons who had -defective is, aa nedeniable fact, and its opere
Want Chang Chil-teng contains proposate apecially de for Chinese orimianls A refuge tion has been attended by various Brandale, intertura with the Chiness aisladininistratian) over to the Baked of Admimity for belt fair and the movements, and swailed the arrival of II. nia had to be made with a number of tions you have certainly removed one serions to be given up. Esen ene il Treaty of Tien-
We cannot minded by the wants of the timea, and We hand it in the contre of the ground, from which to direct
different owners it would probably cost the Costurabling block, bat I think there are overaltain, which left the matter still were vague, be such as the detention of raas in god for of justice, and equally we cannot undertake imparial deliberation. The memorials of Ranga Gerernor. About half past five o'clock, His vernment very mindh larger sun. Still, more. One grave mattor is with rogard to the canso you had no dextription of evirmes nod of- many months while their case was under to decide which persone are criminals and reduzimendations. Wo haud copies of them to the veral salute. The Biths on fired a salute of its plan as to what houses should be erected nud torture will be used. That has always been a rory upariminals" Then, it there was Fong-len and Lin Ming-chuan alas set forth mnefn? Ercelloney arriv3.1, and was received with a ge do not so why the Government should not form guarantee that after the prisoner is given up no fenens, but war simply told lend to give consideration, the tuterference of the Execu- which political offenders, shough there are few Admiralty Board. tive with the Magistrates in the conduct of of the latter in China who are not also pirates Probably now that so much lager a scheine mainder of the troops tiring a few-de-jin, the to put up the house in that form, otherwise is said about it in this Bill. If it were proved tein you had to give them up. or place then twenty cue rounds from the sx-pounders, the reafford the owners the opportunity if they like grant point in extradition as, but nothing another dil alty. Under the Treaty of Tion- the inquiry, and carious other maltore. An by practice. What this Government can do has been sanctioned, the China bailway Com-Band meanwhile playing." God Save the Queen." having their land resumed. That is what I pre- that wa, a Chelatinu Government, were giving up at the disposal of the Gevo Lor, on proof smendment of the law in the direction of is to refuse to entertain any application for pany will soon receive permission to extend Cheers were then given for
Queen on the suite you mean?
mau to be tortured, it would be at once brought of guilt. Under Ordiuanes of 1850 tha regalating the procedure is greatly needed the rendition of any Chinaman who is or has their line to Tengchow, and they will also call of Generel Edwards. The troops then form-
Ron. 3. J. Krawics-Tunt is my meaning. before the English Parliament and thore would Magistrato hid Fif extradition is to go on), and when this beab a reputablo resident in this Colony, and no doubt be entrusted with the task of ex-ed into companies, and the whole marched past
to place, those fugitive His EXCELLSNOY-Of course the diligulty is be very serious trouble. Yet I see nothing in criminals at es disposal of hy vernor, by' 10 hora obracter residents can leatify tending their line from Kiping to Shan-hai-and eated His Excellency. The Company that whore houses are dovetailed together to a largo this Bill about it. The idea that we should caulting the a lo prison, if he had probable increasing any danger to which Chinelo re-
remains here of the Northamptonshire Regis extent and belong to different owners. The take statements from the Chinese Coorie is abcause for believing the neonsnd had esamitted sidente may be exposed from the machina-form, ou the terms carried out with civilised largely by the Government they will not be slutivg point, The men in the whole carried imagine, be a matter of considerable difficulty, say there is nothing resembling our English question-a question whiel was raised in the tions of the mandarine, but while actually Powers, should not be thought of with able to undertake the line to Hankow, for themselves well, considering the gueven state of increasing their safeguarde, to oppose tho Chins, whose code is thoroughly barbarous, which possibly a special loss will be nago the ground hat the spacest disposal was altogether of the clause I have drawn to propose it to day.
I have not sufficiently considered the wording Courts. The question is, shall we give up man Kwok, Asing ease-int was the meaning of misure seems not only unjustifiable but whose punieliuents are revolting and bust, hated with samo foreign bank or syndicate. the mitad to permit the movements of so large I will leave the Bill in committes and ask per- to be fortated? Is such a provedling right waad in the treaties of the Bouns and Tisatsin who have been only a month or two in the colony. the words crimes and offences" or "eriaizal," absurd. Ead the object of the Bill been to and whose administration is nulyThis rient trunk line will not, however, be body of men as that ambled on Friday to op: mission te tack it on afterwards. The principle You would not bad any Conni in China who and the Isarna judges in the Kwok Asing ass establish extradition, or, as was the case in oorrupt. At the same time, in self defenes, likely to be pushed through in one section to stage. The tips bag bean again is, I think, undoubtedly a good one. It never would give security that the men should not be said they had great difficulty in ernstring the the arst hatence, to facilitate it, its policy and also as a matter of justice to the people Marcover, as we have pointed out on former lino and again salated, after which they marched a certain loss. I think oorasionally it may about the matter. Are we, as part of the British intended. Now in this Ordinsnos- we have formed into double line, the whole advanced in
cerred to me, because I contemplated a loss, tortured. I bare spoken to many of the Consola treaty, to decide what crimes and off as were might fairly have formed a subject for of Kwaugtung, we ought not to refuse occasions, it would need to be continued south back to barracks. Towards the close of the turn out the other way. At all avente ation, to give up these poor creatures to be tor for the first time an express list of the offences difference of opinion, and the apposition deliver ap refugees who are either knows to to Canton, and to make it pay well would, ne parade there was rather heavy shower of raiu. would have been receguised as reasonable, be bad charactere or against whom there is the Chinese Times suggests, require feuders to
it will he a risk. But I am prefectly sure of tured F I am certain the people in England for which extradition way ho granted. That but with the removal of clause 18. po ono strong presumptive evidence to that effect.
thie, that whatever loss thoro may be will ear will not stand it. There is ue provision in this list-is no doubt framed, pertly on the Kwok Hankow from Nanking or Chiakinng, and can possibly deny that the B effects great
| Asing case and is actually a copy of the list of and much needed improvements in she
from these places to Ningpo o Shangliai.
tainly be less than the compensation which if Bill, however, to prevent it being loco, not, given would have been expected, suil if not HIS EXCELLENC7-I thought I had erphin-erims in the Extrulition Les form in Eng The first idea of the Chinese mandarins
given would have caused very great dissatisfaced to hon, members that this Bill had not in that laul. So far as that goes I think the ho is, we maintain, to establiste line of
in, if we lal passed the back yard clause that respect altered the present conditions. There names will ses, this Bill is an improcament real question which it was sought to
rapid communication along which an
1.strunk out of the Building Ordinance. If the io a standing instruction from Her Majesty's on the old how. Then, uni as regarde dispose of by the Bills originally
army can be moved when or if necessary.
result be loss, I belive it will be infinitely less, Governmaut that no prisoner is to be given up these words, proof of guilt" au "probable drafted will now be left precisely aliers The new proposition for a direct cable to This is to be made is a natural supplement
in bringing about a great improvement, thau without the understanding that he will not be cause, this Bill attempts to give a definition, it was. It is alleged that numerous connect. Singapore and Hongkong made by to the ironclad squadron, the arsenals,
clause compensation and beeu, giren. We cannot put it into this Bill; it has hoversion, that the Magistrate, i after investiga would have bean incurred by the back yard torturo That remains the games before.because it eszek, t lt of the old part criminals from the neighbouring pro- the Eastern Extension Telegraph Company and the Naval stronghold at Lu Shan-kou..
With regard to the other matar, of course tho rince take refuge in this colour, and ibat differs from the previous one by including If at the same time it can be made to sorve
clanse is passed now, but I would not take ad- be done is clear, it would practically be imiting mit for trial at the Supreme Court, had tha
boon pat into any Bill before. Why it cannotting the case he thinks it one he ought to com they use Hongkong as a basis from which to British North Borneo en route. Without the interests of trade and increase the re commit depredations on the mainland. So suspecting that such inteution existed on the venue so much the better; but what both Lgistrar General.
amares. Isas perfectly upah to reconsider the vantage of that if the hon. member ia taken un the treaty. The undertaking that there will be alleged offence been blanmitted in the jurisdictio
no torture i always demanded and is always this enlony, shall commit the fagitiva long as they do not offend againg: the lage part of the Company, we suggested, in our Burg Chang, and CHANG CERT-TUNG, S
matterat nert meeting. At the same time I giron. Special orders have been given, by the criminal to prison to wait the orders of the of the colday they are practically safe and issue of 16 21st March last, the desimbility well as their masters, primararily an at is
am not quite sure we are vot-running into dan-Secretary of State that treaty or no treaty, the Governor. Then there are other improvements cannot be interfered with. In law they are of bringing that important territory into the the attainment of another weapon of defence
ger even with the three month's notion. This Governer sball not give up any prisoner without in the law. In practice certain restrictions ozz liable
to randition, 1ut the prChitose Au- Singapore Hongkong cable Thithor. Its foreigner. telegraphic sch
scheme by taking the proposed against the encroaching and aggressive
bas only occurred to me at this moment, and that undertaking. Of course you may say that the surrender of fagitive criminels have benz costly and cambrous that the
therefors there may be nothing in it, but it undertaking is not carried out. How can you rozgnised; first with regard to political offences thorities have given up applying f
gaeins to me that unless we make the Court of ensure that it will ba? Can you anggost and secondly, with regard to thu subject for fugitive now apparent to all who have watched a
means by which you could de which ike hoa criminals. The object of section 16 was to developmem, that British North Borno will
The minutes of the last tweeting were read and Arbitrators, counider the value of the land at any
the senior profficial the moment when notice of resumption so without rondering it impossible to nond member has mentioned, facilitate the giving up of auch persons by soon be well worth the protection it needs, THE QUEEN'S BIRTHDAY CELEàntirmeð.
namely, torturs ;- is given we susy be rauning iute danger any prisoner away? You certainly cannot bat bitkerto there babes no provision in the pronding that depositions taken in China and it certainly ought not to be left much
BRAMONS IN HONGKONG.
A francial mianto Gormor was laid that one does not think of at the moment by emot from a Dosorment like that of China law as it at presset stands for these restrictions. should be received in evidence in the courts longer cut off from telegraphie comtaanich
prolonging the time. I don't know whether there a boud for heavy damages that this undertaking The present Bill has three if not four re- of this colony. This having been struck out, tion with the rest of the world. As to the Her Majesty's Birthday was celebrated on the the parchass of the engine and appliances of the not a great deal be done to the land after notice undertaking be given. If you are not satised. is an express ennelmont; the sound is that a on the table recommending a vote of $1,772 for may be anything in it, hat the question is, may will be onrried out. You can only ask that the striations; the first is for political offences, that it will be no casier for the Chinese desirability of Laving a dirget or perhaps, The Royal Standard sad hoisted at Government disbanded Volunteer Fire Brigade and to pro-ie giren for which enormans compensation will be with that you simply say to Chins "I will ar fazitive criminal who has best need of an
24th May in this Colony in the usual scanner. authorities to secure an offender who has to be mora correst, wo should say in House, Headquarter House, and on all Govern-vide for an additional staff to work it.
aaked and which will reader it very difficult to ra tradite no one." taken refuge in this colong than it was be-dependent-cable hetween Hongkong aud
Are you prepared than for the offenes withia British jurisdiction or is under fase. Itisamatter of evidence, of course, but these romit? Recollect this has been going on forgoing sentence under any consisting in the fore, and the Bill will only be found useful Singapore there are not two opinions. Ad-out stablishments.. The British and foreign
things have always to be considered with refer forty years and certainly for the last ton or colony shall not be surrendered mutil after be has regulate the procedure when the Chinese miral Sir NOWELL SALMON has certainly vessels ware gay dressed with brating, and at
with referance to the fact that people will try out a direct undertaking from the Viceroy of the tion of his sostenso or otherwise; and the third Hence to the worst part of bumao nature, scd fiftcon years no prisonor has been given sy with been discharged whether by squeal or on expira in some particular caso may apply for rendi- emphasized the necessity for it by, expres the Governor Sir William Des Veur had a leveres CATTLE DISEASES, SLAUGHTET HOUSES, AND TAD, ARI Qlong perled, while very useful for one exceedingly difficult, to define what tortare sa engagement is given by the Chinese Govern
neon a royal salute was fired. His Excellency tion notwithstanding the grent-cost, The sing his opinion of the great. importance tatter has not, bo
however, reached the of a second line of communication with at eleven o'clock in the forenoon, in the siter. stage of finality, we believe. The G Singapore, considering that, even if the noon Lady Das Vieux had a reception, both of vernor spoke of olause 16 of the Bill a line t wers eat after a declaration of war, the high were numerously attended. The follow an alternative which he did not prefer him- 1 passage over it of a single message to that is a list of the who were present at the and other ruminating animals under the same view of the bou, manihar's proposa, I presume prison clothes and put on ordinary geol fare dopinions bo detained or tried in China for any
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Can be secured, not only without in neyway Estradition in the ordinary Benge of the kwan. Bolens, however, theg, are, aided very ment. wus grostad with applause on passing the arrangements between themselves would. I surd, because there is no such thing, that is to such crime or offesco. It has always been
to
THE PROPOSED CABLE BETWEEN HONGKONG AND SINGAPORE.
self but which had tweets approved by the effect, that war was imminent might be worth Scoretary of State. That alternative not to this Colony more than the whole of aur haring been carried into effect, the Governor subside that bas ever been naked." This is will probably again urge the other, to which randily understandable, and it might be he gives his preference, but the nature of added that the work of cutting a cable, if which he has not publicly disclosed. It is the shore ende be carefully watched, is not impossible that things can go on as they are, by any means a easy matter, and the line The Hun. P. BYRIE 8276,"
"give up rendi- might therefore continue workable for some tion altogether," and that is practically what time after war bad broken out.
The Committee of the Hongkong Clan
monot-war in porr and mest of the morobant
Levée com
I. E. Major-General Berau Edwards, €.B. Major Browaries, A.1.0. Commodoro Churah, R.N.
Bore.
His Hoaver. Mr. Justice Fielding Clarke,
a
HUNGKONG LEGISLATIVE COUNCIL.
A meeting of the Legislative Council was held on the 27th May. Thero wore present
His EXCELLENCE THE UOVERNOR, SIR WILLIAM DES Vaux, K.GMO
Hon. F. STEWART, LL.D., Colonial Secretary Hos. A. J. LaOH Acting Attorney-General. Hon. H. E. WODEHOUSE, C.M.G., Acting Colonial Treasarur.
Hon. N. G. MITCHELLINNES, Acting Be
Hon, P. RIRIR.
Ho. WONG SHING.
Hon. B. LAYTON.
Hon. J. J. K98WLOK.
Mr. A. SET. Clerk of Councils.
-MINUTES,
FINANCE.
Raferred to the Finance Committee.
NATURALISATION ORDINANCE,
otherwise Fokshan was read a second time, wota The Bill for the naturalisation of Li Man mitted, and passed.
MARKETS ORDINANCE AMENDMENT HILL.
to get all out of the Government they possibly province that he should not be terinral It is rastriation is that ka shallant be gison up unless...--. purpose, I am not sure might not be very in means. Our Irish follow.countrymon when put ment that he shall unt until he has been restoredor This Bill, the object of which is to bring goate jurions in other respects. Taking the other into gaol declare that to be made to wear had an opportunity of returning to Her Majesty's regalations as
sa satile, sheep, and swine, was read that every absentee bwner of land is bound to ie torture, because they are political pri-offence committed before his sacrender other Bascond time, committed, and passed.
have a representative here who can do all the soners, whereas other people take a different than the extradition crime on which the surren THE POST OFFICE ORDINANCE AMENDMENT BILL. owner could do with reference to the matter.
view.
It is extremely difficult to my what is į der is demandes; and I may say the fourth The ATTORNEY-GENERAL, in moving the Hon. P. RYRIE--I don't think the persons who tortare with regard to the matter of punish restriction is that the is al to be given up until Me. 4. W. Whillier, N., Secretary to the Conum-second reading of this Bill, said he might exhare to collect ronts have a full power of attorney.ment and not as a means of exacting aidspoo.fifteen days after the investigation by the Ma Hou. F. Stavert, LL.D.
plain very shortly that in scotion 28, sub-section
Hon. B. LAYTON-The agents have always to The Chinese look upon what we regard as tor-gistrato. A furaber improvement in the Ordin- 3, of the Post Office Ordinancy the making, submit to their principale any offer they may ture as part of the final punishment. It is one ance may be noticed, namely, that after the in- uttering, or issuing of postage stampe was made receive for the property.
thing to get an undertaking that a man shall vestigation by the Magistrate and assuming the a misdemeanour, but lãs- of the words "not- HIS EXCELLENCr-There is in reality more the tortured, but another to say China Magistrate has decided to commit art await being a postage stamp issued under this Ordi thau three months, because in the first instance that they must set aside entirely the whole of the Governor's orders, the fugitiva oriminial nanos" excluded statape purporting to be issued there is negotiation. Courts as a rule stretch the laws of their country road I believe that some is to be informed that he will not be given in the United Kingdom, or in other colonies, or in their powers to the very utmost extent in favour of the laws of China with regard to the punish-up for these fifteen days, and he is also foreign states. By the deletion of those words of absenters and minors, and I am not sure themes of certain crimes are her fundamental laws to be informed of his right to a writ of praotically all fetitions stumps would ha included. absentees would not gain more by remaining There are certain phases in our method of exeon habeas corpus. Hitherto that has been left. The Bill was read a second tire, committed, quiet than by having a longer notion. Howover, tien by hanging which are torture. I have read to the discretion of the Magistrate; by this Bil
I am willing to consider the matter if the hoa. af cases where ren have been as long as twenty the Magistrate has to do it; it is one of his nad passed,
member thinks it absolutely necessary. I have minutes alive before thy dial. This might be daties. A further improvement is that walle THE CROWN LANDS RESUMPTION BILL. The ACTING ATTORNEY GENERAL-In mov-no strong objection to it unless further consid-called torture.. How you are to define for the nndor the old practice, but not by oxpress ing the second reading of this important Bil: Iration makes it appear there will be danger in benefit of a foreign Government where legitimate enactment, the Magistrate reported to the Go do not propose to take up the time of the Council the direction I pointed out just now.
Hon. Bendyshe Layton
Hon Wong Bing-
Hon. J. J. Keswick.
Hon. A. J. Loser, Acting Attoreer-Genorul.
Hon. 3. G. Mitchell Tunes-
Hon. H. B. Wodehoum, C.M.G
Major-General Gordon,
Mr. Justics Wise.
Mr. S. Brown, Sarveyor-Gaml
Dr. P. B. O. dyrea, Colonial Surge
Mr. A. G. Romano, Consul General for Portugal. Colonel &T Storer, R.E..
Doputy Surgeon-General B. Lower, M.8. Majer Vernor Chater, Flat Bogt Captain Rumsey, B.N., Harbour Mactor.
Beznout.
uas been done, for the conft and dieuhy. To moreo do not question either the render it. prohibition. But, haring agreed by treaty to give up to China ber fugitive value or the importance of the projected criminals, common honesty doriands that eable, and they admit that British North wo should carry out our obligations, and Borneo has now become a factor of very self-interest porate in the same direction, for considerable commercial importance, bu not only
do wo not want the colony to be they maintain that it is the duty of the the resort of the rascaldom of Kwang-perial Government to complete the effective- rungy but if we do not party out our wear pess of these two important calling stations Captain Yoatherd, D.A.AG., Boyal Lancashire obligations to China how can we complain if Singapore and Hongkong-presumablyiz. Mitanyoshi Yaanki, Cavanl for Japan. China does not carry
out her obligations ? by connecting them by direct cable. And (if course little real value could be attached so it is, but the question remains, will to evidence purporting to be taken in Chi-undertake the work at their own cost. The Deze courte, but with the safeguards provid- Authorities at Downing Street argue that ed by the Extradition Bill against any the interests of the British taxpayer havo respectable resident being given up clause also to be considered, and that the colonists, 16 seemed not wholly yudeserving of consi- who reap the benefit of greater security to
chance of the class of men
trade, and facilities Dr. Schramelor, Vice-Conaul for Germany. to whom the Hon. J. J. KRawzIz seferred, Costy, cation, dosd greater notits of Mr. Schias Kramos
charges
they
Bor. W. Jonnings, Colonial Chaykin, Mr. Dominique Maaso, Consal for Italy. School.
Mr. G. E. Hintasen Wright, Head Master, Central
Mr. W. Gibson Brodie, Consal for Sina
Dz. W. H.Lloyd, Degy. Inspector General of Hos
Mr. St. C. Michaelsen
Mr. B. Withers, Vico-Consal, T8 America. Mr. Bernhard Bachmann, Consul for Netherlands.
Mr. F... Cooper Mr. Edward Bowdler Dr. Mitford Atkinson Mr. E. R. Bellias Mr. Lacey Downck Mr.Platt Mr. M. Forbes
Captain Craigie, E.N.
* mon against when there is some pol to the coat. It was on this principle that Dr. Eitel tical charge or men who are wanted beahen it was decided to fortify the cooling Mr. W. H. Forbes cause they have come from Penang or stations, they were asked to find, the funds Mr. 7. H. Whitehand Bingapore or some other place where the for constructing the fortifnations, the Im-Bajor Dempster, A.P.D. Chinese authoritiva could not levy
rges perial Government providing the plans and Mr. 4, E. Nebie
Mr. E. A. Solonen upon them," being given up, war, under the the armanient. On the same principle, in Capt. de Santa Barbara provisions of the Bill, rendered
exceedingly annual military contribution te demanded Captain Solor remote, and the Chinese Authorities, if they from those colonias able to pay it. This Captain de la Vega had tried to use
use the law against thin being the case, it is, we fear, unlikely that Jordan cises would KOOD bare discovered the the Home Government will consent to bear Mr. F. de Bovie
Mr. J. F. Holliday.
Rayet
Mr. Mints Jameyan Bev. Bervant "Vîgivnö"
. F. Maitis nd
Mr. F. W. CTORA
MT. A. H. Cohen. Mr. Walter Kunggu
Mr. E. A. Carvalho Mr. Vivian Ladda French Mr. C. J. Bateman' Warsour Mr. J. A. II. Carralks
Mr. J. J. Bosth
Mr. E. J..Barda Mr. E. Woodin
Mr. E. Robinson
Mr. Charles Cohen
Mr. G. C. Anderson
Mr. Delfins de Noronha
Mr. F. J. Machado
futility of the attempt. The surrender of the entire cost of subsidising an independ Captain Bugard criminals who had Bed direct the e calony ent cabla, between Singapore and Hongkong. M. Deschamps Iggaboal Mr. J. B. Elle. would lure been rendered easy, but reputable It may he argued that we can get on will M. Roger resident were well protected. The clause out it, as the Chinese lines will soon te fer. J. C. B. Eachot bas, however, been abandoned, and we cannot connected with the Indise telegraph erster G. H. Hondak profess to regret it, for it does not strike ne tem, and it is not probable that we shall Rev. E Lammonier
Mr. Douglas, 91st Eegt. as by any means the best possible solution over be at war with both France and China Mr. H. E. Rirs, 91at Begt. Mr. George Izvite Watsons of the difficulty. The subject is important simultaneously. But how far can we de Mr. A. K. Travers enough to warrant the negotiation of a pead upon the Übinere lines? Begeut re- Mr.H... Henderson, Vist Mr. B. Dyczajes special extradition treaty with Uhius, if the relations of the manner in which the For Bugt
Mr. Waller Flow rd. Mr. M. de V. Boyd, Ulük" Mr. A. Bandfort olject cannot be attained otherwise. Such moss lines are worked are not reassuring Rest
Mr. José da Rocha Treaty might import into the raist-on that bead, and in time of war it is to be Capt. W. B. Fatelor, E.&. Ms. Los Wai Chuus ing agreement such limitations as those feared we should
Mr. Stafford Northcote Mr. Ho Wyson not be able to Me Jabes Wotton, R.M. Mr. F. V. Bikoira which the Governor on Monday said rely upon the Chiness Telegraph Ad-Hajor Wilkinson, R.E. could not be included in the Orüfaunes for the ministration for punctuality and accuracy, Captain T
Captain F. T. Clayton, MY. A. J. Bateman reason that they were limitations of a treaty, both vitally important in the transmission of af. J. Lättle
Mr. Wai Yuk As to the policy of readily giving up real political messages. A direct cable would Mr. Manuel de Teraus. criminals who may dee to this colony there impart a feeling of security against surprise Mr. A. B. Madar can be no two opinions. Is is trae the bara knowledge the value of which can only Hr. O. Osmund barota vainre of the Chinese criminal code be thoroughly realised by the want of it in a Mr. J. J. Francia Q.C. and procedure makes the duty of giving up moment of peril and suspense. For our Galond Chonsoy, 5.P.D.
La Dei Mr. Daylä Gabbay any man, however abandoned be
r than aray.be, an part,
forego the advantages which P. Bazole exceedingly unpleasant one, unt as the Hon. This proposed cable would addoubtedly on Major Boom, lat ргоровед Mr. Keswick said, "the circumstances of for, we think it would pay the Colony to Commander Festing, B.. Hongkongs in which we are placed, aro en give a small subsidy towards its mainten-Lient. Col. J. Stoeroas,
different from thogs which abiain else ance or vote a grant in aid of the coder0.30 tirely
where," and if those circumstances render it taking. A subsidy reaching over twenty mejor Fornir Blandy,
| Mr. Charley Ford essential that we should not do anything years is, it must be confessed, rather a bar which would tend to weaken the bonds which don to undertake, but possibly the Company Dayla Gabber bind the respectable Qbinene residents to the could be induced to accept one for a short. T. Hopkin
olony, they no less render it essential that er term. However that may be, we are con
Collion, 18th we should not allow Hongkong to become a vinced that it is alike to the interess of the Lions Commander Max. refuge for Chiasse criminals or a basis for Imperial Covernment and of both Colopisa, their depredations in China,
as well ́es British North Borneo, to carefullys, Lažar, R.N." :
Mr. A. P. Gatorraa
Hert
Capta
well RN.
Dr. Cantille
Mr. F. Ross
Dr. Ho Kai
Mr. Choa Chee Bea Mr. Chen Kwan Ee
Mr. John Thorburs
Mr. Gershom Stowart biz, A, Beth
punishment enda sad where torture begins is an vernor after be committed a fugitive criminal in going through the objects and policy of the Hon. J. J. KESWICK-I can conceive such exceedingly difficult question. What E any to await the Governor's orders, by this Hill it is Bill, because your Excellency's remarks have alaser might be very awkward.
is that, this Ordinance in no way alters proposed he shall do that as a inty and shall rendly dealt with these; but what I propose to de HIS EXCELLENCY-What would you anggest the present state of things; that is, the particularly report on certain matters which is to stata as shortly as possible to hon. members as a proper time P
same undertaking will be obtained as has been Lavoalready been mentioned and which I need not the scheme of the Bill. In the first place the Hon. J. J. KESWICK-I should say six months, obtained for years past, and therefore no objno- detail farther. Under the law as it sinds there HIS EXCELLENCY-Well, make it six months ti a ba made to the Ordinance. If this is no provision as to what the Governor's powers decision to resume any land is not to be followed immediately by any not by the Governor or the in the case of owners whose dominile is outside Ondinaues not passed the existing Ordinance are when a fugitivo criminal awaita bis orders. Governor in Council. In the first place, what the colony, -Would that meet your views P- renzins iu forge as tofora
This Bill gives powers to the Governor both as has to take place is negotiation. The Governor
Hon. J. J. KESWICK-Perfectly,
Hon. P. BIE-If this Ordinmeo makes no to the surrender and discharge, and notwith- through his officera will pepoliate with the owner, His Excellency—I do not pledge myself to diferanos what is the use of it?,
standing anything that may have taken plasa and if there is then a failure to carry out the support that I only pledge myself to consider it. His BXCELLENor-It makes no difference b fore the Magistrate it practically places the proposals of the Governor in Council the powersTheides that came up in my mind may be entirely whatever as regards the matter of torture. The disposal of the fugitire oriminal at the disore- contained in the Ordinance will arise. Then baseless, and I may see it rigself after a little instructions which have been received from the tion of the Governor. That is by section 14. | again-thero is a postpornment of the actual com consideration, but it is not always easy to see a Secretary of Stato in years past will samain the His EXCELLENCY-Allow me to say, it doar
ing into operation of those powers for a further thing of that kind on reading it a first time, same as before.
not placo, the matter at the discretion of the period of three months, because tho Ordinance and while reading the Ordinance it struck me
Hon. P. RYRIR-Otherwis then that does Governor in caso die Magistrate discharges Lim, provides that thres months' notice in writing skall there mightbe some duugor even in three months, this Ordinance give the Government vory great | but only in caso the Magistrate commits be given to the owner. It is not till the end of Hon. B. LAYTON-Having received notice of powera PI do not see that it docs.
-The ACTING ATTORNEY-GENERAL-The last these this months that the land in to vost in resumption of course the owner would not put - His EXCELLENCT—It containe vory great im-'} matter I need mention is found in section 15. the Crown and the proceedings for giving com-up any new buildings.
provemente. I have them written out here and Suppose the fugitive criminal has been cota- pensation to the owner er oftier persons interest- HIS EXCELLENCI—I am not sure of that. I will read them if the bon, meher likes.mitted to prison to await the Governor's orders ed. In the land are to commence. At the or ̈Hon. · B. LAFTON—That could easily be The question is, does the hon, member opp:se the and nothing is done for the mouth, power is piration of the three months a Board is to be arranged by a small alausa in the Bill.
second reading P
given to a judge of the Supreme Court to dis Donstituted. Now, I think the constitution of HIS EXCELLENCY-I think if you take a Hon. P. BIRIE-I do; I propose the Bill be charge him on notice to the Crown Soliellor. So the Board will commend itself to your considora fonger period the value to be considered by the laid on the table this day-six months.
that I think the bon. inembore will see that st tion, because in the first place the chairman is court should be the value on the day the
Hon, B. LATTON-1 felt vory much inolisod any rate this Urdinance is more definits and to be one of the judges of the Supreme Court, notice was given. I think that would be fair, tongrep with what the hon. member has said simplifies sad explaina mare oloarly the pry a man who, wa minst all assame, whether he be. Hon. J.J. KNICK-No doubt that would be the Chief Justice or Paisne Jadge, will be abso-parfeolly fair.
Italy impartial. Then the Governor in Connoil B EXCELLENCY-Then I don't think there in all probability that will be some skilled per the Ordinance, and at the next mosting Ithink has perer to nominate a person on his behalf, can be any objection. We will read through son, probably the Surveyor-General. On the isomething very like what has been proposed other hand the owner of the land has power to will be brought in as an addition. - pl nominats any person on bus own behalf and The remaining clanzen were passed, and the no doubt he will nominate a skilled person. Bill was left in Committes. Then fourteen days after the publication
THE CHINESE ZXTRADITION. BILL
in opposition to the Bill when I came here this cedure and prasties for carrying out the Treaty aftormona, but it seems to me that after what has of Tientsia.
been told us, that this particular clause has bean *BIA EXCELLENCY-1 regrot I am not able hoan taken away and there is little also left, be-point, and I think their apprehensions on the removed, the most objectionable feature has to give way to the hom members on this us this Ordinance, is simply ous to amend subject will be dispelled by the statement of the existing one. The principal object fo the the Attorney-General and by further considera- Ordinance was, it seems to me, to introduce clame |tion of the Bill. I did not wish to say so dip 16. If you abolish that, what is the use of the tinctly, hot ce a matter of fact. Che purpose Ordinanss You are simply carrying a similar which I hoped at one time to achieve by this
Hon. P, RYBiz-The squeezers who occa
[] from Canton will and it much easier.
HIS EXCELLENCY-I bog not to bo inter.”
in the Government Gaseits of the appoint- His ExcENCY-Before proceeding with Ordinance with a few small alterations, and I Bill is now entirely set aside. This Bill, as I ment of this Board the arbitration is to com- this Bill I ate, desirous of making an important cannot see what as it is unless it is distinctly have always said, was an alternative which I did mence; the owner having had more than three announcement with regard to it. After vory understood that there is an arrangement not prefer, but which was adopted by Har monthe, probably a great deal more than fall and earnest consideration I have determined that before prisoners are given up they lagesty a Government. With that clansa left three months, to consider what amount he can to omit the clause which has given rise to con- are not to be ambjented to torture. I think out, as a matter of fact, extradition will be no claim, and his Iresees and mortgageen interested siderable discussion, namely, that with reference that a very serious matter indeed. Your Ex-ensior, certainly with regard to say persons se in the land taken or in rights destroyed having to depositions - takon” în ̈ ̈ China. Members celleboy says that has always been understood. to whom there is the least probability of in- het ample time to consider their claims, are to will easily see that it would be impossible for me that is so,why pass this Billy
nocence, than before; on the contrary, I think sand 'them in sapsrately. - Udo not think I need to giva ressons for this, but with their permission HU BICELLENCY-There are a good many after the statement of the Attorney-General. = trouble you with the powers of the Board. They tint alause will be dropped from the Ordinazos. rossons. Do you second the hon. member's are much the same as thos glvon to commis. Further. I may state that woggestions from a objection to the second roading f alonera eppointed to make enquiries, the inten-quarter or quarters, which, I have every reason Hon. B. LAYTON Yes; your Excellency, tion being that the decision of the majority of to respect, have been made to me with regard to Hon, J. J. Keswin-I should like to my a rupted! I think hon, members will find an per the Board is to be binding. They are practically the fear orented song the respectable Chinese for words in support of my colleagues' gards people whose bocesty is generally bo- Mr. A. Lopes Ribeir to take everything into acnsideration in dealing by this measure, or rather by the fooling that-proposal that this Bill be postponed. lived in in the cglezy, or asto whom there is the H.P.M.#g.b. Ric Lima with the compensation to be given, and they are extradition would be made so easy as to possibly feel very strongly tim the age of this least doubt as to their being criminals, this Bill Mr. Jackie H.P.M.sguato girs under the poora rested in them the affect them and cause them to be placod under Bill is likely to produce shorts which very will quake it much more Boult Ly extradite
boat Hio Limo Dr. Gondatron Periza
fullest compensation. I do not think F. nood pressure. The suggestion made to in order few of us can foresen, I so quite suru, for them than at present. So far from there being R.P.K.'sg.brio Lima teanble you with any of the other sections; they to remedy this was one which it was quite in-one or two reasons that the Bill is unnecessary say canes for fear, with that clause withdown Lions. Wenecatan: Moraes, follow as a matter of course. 1: beg to move posible to adapt, namely, to make the Ordinance One reason why it is maneosastry is that I feel there is rather canse for fejolding, even from the
H.P.Magh. Rio Lima tike second reading of the BITLARINA
apply only to persons who have been very tom vortain-it amounts to a conviatios in my mind hat: membow point of view. The Bill is a porary residents. Why it was impossible to that the elasinale" whb as a general rule are provement on the law as it stands. There are many adopt it was this; we asunut pal into an Ordis parstol into this Colony, are pos the deep-dyed thinge which have been a continual subject of dis The Council then went Into Committee on sues of this Colony may provulon which practi. villains the Uhiness neighbouring Viceroys with veselen with Her Majesty's Government that wil the Bill,
cally Hritta the opemfioz of the Treaty. If put to punish, but are men who, though not pazhape | be disposed of in the respecte mentioned by the
M. Autoina ViaTou
Mr. Hence Shaphaid Fronch Canolate
Mr. Alex McConachie
Mr. Clement Falmer
Mr. J. GooIRDI
Mr. F. A. Hazeland
Mr. J. M. Alves
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