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November 12, 1898.]
How many rooms did he occupy P-He had
one room,
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Did he board with you P-Yes.
And when did he leave your house; when did you last see him P-About the end of September. I want to know the date?-It was the last day in September.
How much did he owe you then? He owed me a month's board and lodging.
I asked you how much $60; but he had -paid me 86 on account.
Had he borrowed any money from you?No. Had he been in the house on the 30th Sept. P Yose
* Had he been in the house on 29th ?-I can- not say for certain.
Had he been in the house on the 28th ?-I think 80:
Did you ask him for this $54 P-Yes. When was it due; when ought he to have paid you ?--On the 1st of October.
Had you seen him or spoken to him personally about this money ?—No.
Do you know when he left the colony -On the Thursday or Friday, the 6th or 7th of Oct.
Had not he been to your house between the 30th September and the 6th or 7th October ?
Yes.
Where did you send this chit to P-To his place of business.
Why did you write to him when he was back in the house the same evening; had you turned him out P-No.
Did he sleep in the house again before he left P-Yes on the Sunday night, October 2nd.- When did you last see him in your house be- fore he went away to Japan; you told me you last saw him on the 30th September, and now you say he was sleeping in your house on the second of October. When was he last in your house before he went to Japan P-I think it was on the Monday; he left my house on the Mon- day morning.
And to your knowledge he was not there again ?—I did not see him.
But was he in your house ngain so far as you know ?-Yes, he was.
When was that ?-On the Wednesday morn- sing
And you did not see him P----No. Was that the day when he took away some of bis furniture? No, he came again the next day. I do not know for certain that he came on Thursday. I only know from hearsay. On! the Wednesday. I heard him in the house.
Was he there on the Friday ?—No Was he there on the Saturday ?-No. On what day did he take away some of his furniture ?—That was on the Thursday after-
noon.
Had you forbidden him to take away these things before he paid his account ?—No.
Had he paid you anything then on account? -Yes.
When was it paid P-In the beginning of September.
Then he had not paid you anything ?—No. How did he get the furniture away; did he get the whole of it away -I was not present.
You would know perfectly well from the ap- pearance of the room afterwards; did he get the whole of his furniture away or only part of it? He got the whole of his furniture away.
And he had to break open the doors to get it out P-So I was told:
You saw the door broken P-I saw the door broken, and I was told that he did it.
How came the door to be locked if you had not turned him out?-The door was shut from the inside. There is a bolt to the door. The boy when he opened the door did not remove the bolt, so it was broken.
You say the door was locked against him though he had a room P-It was not his room door; it was the front door of the house which was broken open.
Did you tell the boy not to let him in P-Yes, but not on that occasion, on a previous occasion. Why did you tell your boy not to let him in? I had a little quarrel with him and he left the house,
What was the quarrel about P-He said I had insulted him.
Because you asked him for money, I suppose? —No, it was previous to that. That was on the Sunday, but we made the quarrel up and he came back; he came back without my Consent and then we made the quarrel up,
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Do you know from whom he had the furni- Sure? Yes.
From whom P-From Mr. Bremner, of the Ordnance Department,
And he had to pay for it P-He has paid for part of it.
Mr. Bremner had a claim against him I am told.
So
You saw Mr. Bremner about it ?—No. There were two Chinese furniture dealers who had claims against him too -He bought some furniture.
Answer my question, yes or no P-I don't know.
You saw the two Chinese,, or they saw you, about this matter P-No.
Did you tell Mr. Robinson these Chinese were willing to share the expense of bringing this man back from Japan P-No.
Did you mention Mr. Bremner's name to Mr. Robinson P-I might have done.
But did you P-I cannot say for certain. You think you did P-Probably. You probably mentioned these two Chinese also ?--I am not aware of that.
Did the Chinese come to your house and try to get back their furniture P-Not that I know of.
Did you know that the Grill Room people had claims against him ?--Yes.
How did you know that P-I was told so by the Grill Boom people.
They were willing to join in the expense of getting Springford back ?—I was not aware of
that.
Did you never mention the Grill Room people to Mr. Robinson nor the fact that they had a claim P-I might have done.
Which of the Grill Room people was it you had a conversation with about this matter ?-- With one of the barmen.
You had a conversation with him? I asked him whether Springford owed him any money. What did you say that for; what business was it of yours P-It was no business of mine, but it cropped up in the conversation,
Did you make any enquiries of Mr. Farmer as to whether Springford owed the Victoria Hotel anything ?-No.
Did you take out a summons against Mr. Springford before he went away for the amount he owed you?—I was going to do.
Did you take a summons out or not ?-Yes. Then why did you answer you were going to do when you had done so. What was the amount you claimed in the summons P-$54. It was a writ.
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card that you gave Robinson's name?—I can- not say for certain.
You are ashamed to tell a downright lie and you will not tell the truth ?-Really I cannot remember.
Is it not a fact that when you went to Mr. Robinson's store there were two or three forms of message in your pocket ?—No.
Have not you been dismissed from your office in consequence of this business ?—No.
Were you not told you had better resign in consequence of this business ?-No.
It would only take five or ten minutes to ask why you left I can show you a cony of my resignation.
Were you not told you had better resign on account of this business ?-No.
You left in consequence of this business on your own account P-Yes.
And without it having been hinted at P- Yes.
You thought yourself your conduct was quite too bad to justify your being kept in any res pectable office P-I would rather the thing was nay rejoin. over before I rejoined. There is a possibility I
Have you been paid by Mr. Springford since he came back P-No.
Has he promised to pay you P-I have not spoken to him about it.
Have you spoken to him about the debt he owed you ? Yes,
spoken to him about it?-It oropped up in Then why did you say just now you had not
conversation.
What was said last night about this debt P- Very little.
What was said; I did not ask how much or how little was said ?-He said he would have paid me if he had had the money.
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colony under ?-One of the men in the office How did you know what name he left the of the Nippon Yusen Kaisha told me there was a man of the name of Clayton.
How did you know that was Springford P- He described to me the man who bought the Passage ticket and that was Emsley, and I suspected Emsley got Springford out.
How did you know he had gone in the Japan by a man in the Hongkong Hotel. steamer P-I was told on the Saturday night
By whom P-By Mr. Margelin.
the $40 was paid to you ?-Yes, Mr. Stokes.
Was there anybody in Robinson's office when
He saw the money handed to you ?--I think
he did.
And when you sent to serve it he had gone?usen Kaisha the receipt which you had got in When was it you gave back to the Nippon
Yes.
Has he paid you since he came back ?—No. Have you been told that if you gave evidence
against Mr. Robinson in this case no proceed- ings would be taken against yourself ?-Yes..
Had you Mr. Emsley's authority for putting his name at the foot of the telegram ?—No.
Who is Mr. J. T. Smith, whose name is put at the bottom; address Stanley Street ?-There is no one of that name.
Why did you get Mr. Gutierrez to write out that telegram ?-Mr. Robinson suggested that it would be just as well if somebody else wrote the telegram.
When were these words added which you said the manager of the Nippon Yusen Kaisha suggested P-After the draft had been written out.
What was the reason this suggestion was made P-So as to acquaint Mr. Springford to call at the office. He said perhaps it might be too late for the office to write to Springford,
When was it you got money from Mr. Robin- son On the Tuesday.
In what shape did you get it ?--In bank notes. What denominations --There was $40 in $5 and $10 bills.
Why $40, when the passage was $35 only ?- The balance was to pay for the expense incurred telegraphing to the steamboat company
Do you remember the manager asking you what name to put on the receipt, and in whose name he should make it out FP-Yes,
And do you remember looking in your pocket to find your card -He asked me my name and I looked for my card. I did not have my card, and he asked in whose name he should make the receipt. I said the money was paid by Mr. Robinson, and the receipt was made out to him. Was it only after you could not find your
Robinson's name ?-It must have been in the week between the 24th and the 27th ult.
actually coming back P-I had a chit from the When did you hear that Springford was Nippon Yusen Kaisha, asking me to call, and on the way I called at Mr. Robinson's office and asked him whether he had
any information.
When did you first hear that Springford was on his way back -On the same day, and I took back the receipt on the same day.
Did you pay any money ?—Yes; I paid the balance of the telegram.
You did not tell us anything about that yes- terday P-I was not asked.
How much money did you pay in addition P-86. $6 or $6.50?-$6 and one cent..
If that was Robinson's money why did not you bring him the receipt when you got it ?-I did not think anything about it. When he handed me the money I asked him if he wanted to keep the receipt, and he said no.
Who put the name Smith on the telegram- Is it your own writing ?—Yes.
That was not suggested by Robinson ? The whole telegram was suggested by Robinson.
Was the putting of the address Stanley Street and the name J. T. Smith suggested by Mr. Robinson or was it your own idea P-My own idea, but that was not the telegram.
Was it not you who first suggested putting Emsley's name at the end of the telegram ?— No.
You know at that time that Emsley had helped the man away ?—Yes.
And you knew Emsley was his personal friend did you not ?—Yes.
Did you go and consult Mr. Grist on this subject before sending the telegram P. Not on this subject.