THE CHINA MAIL, SEPTEMBER 23, 1941.
SLEEPER DEALINGS FOR A.R.P.
(Continued from Page 1) Yes, Kwong Hing bought 50,000 pieces, Lun Sang 3,500 and Ho Fuk-cho 15,000. I am now tell- ing you of the big deals, but there were a number of small dealers which I do not think I need men- tion as there are so many of them. You never sold to Kin Lee? - Not from this lot.
I am not speaking of this par- ticular lot. You never sold to Kin Lee?--Yes.
You have still 60,000 sleepers in hand?
Yes.
How much did you pay?-$4.82. What was the price to Mars- The Chairman then told wit-¡man's? The price to Marsman ness that the letters he had pro-included transportation and cut- duced would be retained by the ting up and was $8:10-
and Commission
that if he Have you worked out your should be required again he profit?-About $3,000. would be notified.
Kwong Yick Firm
You sold 10,000 pieces for $43,-proprietor
cost firm. 000? No, $43,000 was the price.
We sold for $52,000,
Did you ever sell to Marsinan's?
- No.
The next witness was Tse Chan. of the Kwong Yick
The Chairman: When did you form the company?-Ten
ago,
years
You are timber merchants?
The National Development and Finance Corporation never sold to Yes. Marsman's?-No.
I understand you supplied rail- Marsman's and Did you ever approach Mr. Car-way sleepers to man of Marsman's about the sale Kin Lee? No. of sleepers?—Yes.
Marsman Reply
What happened?--We wrote 10 Marsman's and received a reply to the effect that the sleepers were not fit for A.R.P. work,
What happened then? May
De- explain, sir? The National velopment and Finance Corpora- tion bought 210,000 Oregon pine sleepers. These were fitted only for making gasoline boxes. At that time there was a great demand for these boxes, and as financiers, wè were approached by a lot of small dealers to buy up the stock. After this we bought 98,000 hardwood sleepers. At first we approached Marsman's and also Mr. Steele- Perkins and the reply was the s'eepers were not fitted A.R.P. work.
Witness then produced a letter from the Director of Air Precautions who suggested he should take the matter with Marsman's.
that for
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What did you supply then with? Hard wood.
Were these not railway sleepers?
No.
Where did you get the timber from? - Sandakan.
Was that the only transaction with Marsman's?—Yes. -***
Have you ever, sold sleepers, to Kin Lee?-Never.
Quite sure of that?-Sure. Did you ever sell timber or hard wood to Kin Lee?—Never,
Common Capital
They have got it in the books of Tal Lee Chan as having sold $10,780 worth of hard wood-Let me explain. This bill is in con- nection with the sale of wood of the Tai Lee Chan not of the office. There was a connection between the two, but the books were different und each made their own sales.
of Tai
Are you the manager Lee Chan?-1 am not.
What is the connection between
When was your last sale to Kin Lee? — The last sale of hard-the two Arms? The capital is wood was on May 26, 1941 only 13 cubic feet of wood,
The last sale to Marsman's? August 14, 1941, 33ft., 74 Ins.
Kan Lee-Hing. of the Kwong Yip Shing firm, was the next wit- ness called.
Broker In Wood
You
are
the
The Chairman: proprietor of Kwong Yip Shing?
I am.
You are the sole proprietor? Yes.
When was the firm formed? About 10 years ago, I am also a broker in the wood business.
Yes, only Railway sleepers?
Raid that
one transaction,
up You sold 3,600 sleepers lo Mars- This they did. man's at $3.90 each? - Correct. quoting $2.90 per piece for hard- Where did you get the sleepers wood sleepers and $3.20 for Oregon | from? From the pine sleepers.
Did you sell any to Marsman's? --We did not sell to them direct.
Trial Offer
Do you know whether Mars- man's bought any?-They offered to buy 2,000 pieces from
us as
firm.
Chik
Hing
Has that Arm anything to do with you? - No. str.
Do not they occupy the same office in the same building? use the same office.
common to
each both, though establishment keeps IL own books.
Where does the profit go to?- It belongs to Tai Lee Chan wood yard.
I know the profit goes to Tai: Lee Chan. Are you a share- holder of Tai Lee Chan?-No; I am only the munager.
the
Have both businesses same shareholders?—Yes.
Do you know Pang Chik and Tum? Yes,
No Connection
Are they connected in any way with your firm?-No connection at | all. We know each other.
Who is the chief partner?-Kan Chik-san.
n
One last question. Tell me, who was it that gave you this order from Marsman's?-1 will give you the history of the transaction.
We do not want u long history.
one Mr. Rocha, We-First of all
Portuguese from Marsman's, phon- Do not the Tai Lee Chan frmed me enquiring about the price of wood. I then made some sug- use the same office?
'gestion to him and told him that price was between the market $2.60 and $2.70 a cubic foot, but that sleepers which could be cut 40 cost about $2.46.
a trial order but we stated the it?
Yes.
Have you anything to do with
No.
lot was too small. After this we How much did you pay for the
sold 80,000 pieces to Tai Lee and for 2,000 we turned the order pieces over to them.
Were those some of the sleepers to previously offered you had Marsman's and they had
stated
sleepers?
$3.50 each. So you made a profit of gents on each? Yes.
Over A Few Days
they could not use them?--Yes. When did you purchase the Had you offered the same to sleepers from the Chik Hing Kin Lee? I don't know anything firm? Sometime in February, of Kin Lee.
You say you bought it for fire- Marsman's inforined you by let- 'wood? Yes. ter that they found the size
You bought it in February and the sleepers unsuitable for tunnel a few days later sold it to Mars work?--Yes.
of
And you subsequently sold Tai Lee-Yes.
to
1
What was the end of the dis- cussion? I want to say something : more. He said he would discuss It with the manager. He after- wards phoned me up and ordered 4.000 sleepers and they were to be cut according to specification.
He gave you the order eventual- ly for 10.000.-He did not give me the order. He made enquiries. This gentleman rang me up daily.
th does all man's? Correct.
This gentleman Do you know whether the Tai purchases for sleepers for Mars- Lee Chan ever sold sleepers toman's. Tell me, do you follow the Marsman's? - I don't know. local custom of paying commis- Have you heard that? Well.sion on business introduced?-No. I look after my own business and Am I correct in saving that you Asked by the Chairman the' they look after their own.
intend to leave for Man'a shortly? price he paid for the sleepers Well, I will tell you. they sold Yes. sold to Tal Lee, witness explain. 10.000 ed that the price of the 98,000 These
Calculated Profit
sleepers at $6.15 each. three Arms occupy the picces be bought from Jardine's came office and you still say you
on the estimated
cost of have nothing to do with was irewood $1:15 a piece.
them,
Do you know a man named Kee? He went on to explain that of Yes. 'he total number of sleepers. only! Who is he? He belongs to 30,000 were in good condition the Tai Lee Chan. and these he sold to Tai Lee at Manager?-Yes,
Do you know whether he has The Chairman: Have you cal-'anything to do with the other two culated your profit on this trans- firms?-He has nothing to do with action? Yes.
my firm. The other one I don't know.
$1.90 a piece.
How much? - $22.480.
Have you calculated the profit What is the full name of this Tai Lee made? - I don't know.man?-Ki Man-chung; he is here.
Were you prepared to sell the now. sleepers to Kin Lee and Mars-
You say you never sold timber
man's at the same price $1.90, to Kin Lee?-Never.
а piece? Yes, if they were
willing to buy the whole lot.
Before you went in for this
Tai Lee Chan
huge deal in railway sleepers Ki Man-chung, of the Tai Lee have you been connected with the Chan, was then called. timber trade? No...
You say you bought it for fro. wood? - Yes.
Did Not Know
The Chairman; What are you?— Manager of Tai Lee Chan.
We heard that you occupy the same offices as Chik Hing and Kwang Yip Shing?—Yes.
And that you all deal in timber?
Manila Trip
Have you booked your passage and are you leaving to-day?—No, in a few days.
Why are you going there?-On business,
timber What business?—On business. L intend to go and sen manufacturers and arrange for the importation of timber.
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Have you a letter of introduc- tion?-No.
Did not Mr.
you Rocha give one?--No.
made has been A suggest on that Tai Lee., Tai Lee Chan and Kwong Yip Shin" are all the same firm that, went into the business to sell timber to Marsman's? - Not true.
Is it true to say that you are the manager of all three firms?
No..
Only the manager of the Chik Hing? Yes, only Chik Hing..
rent?
Who Pays Rent 7 Who pavs the rent of the office? Chik Hini
Does Kwong Yip Shing pay any They have only a sign An accommodation address? Yes,
What about Tai Lee Chan, đo thev pay rent? The partners of Tai Lee Chanre the same as
Same partners, same
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Who did Kwong Yip Shing sell
To Marsman's sleepers to?
I presume Chik Hing made profit and so did Kwong Yip Shing-Yes,
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purchased timber and Kin bought from them,
They use the same note paper? aTai Lee Timber Company, wo
formed at short notice, and after the establishment of the company they had no letter forms so theyy used some from Pang Chik "ant Tam, but only for a short periodi
Witness was handed a docu-in
1040 6 ment dated December 7,
11,000 sleepers sold to Kin Lee' fore? What does it say? It says at a price of $3:40
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The next
witness was Tam
Long-ying
Asked whether it was not theYes. truth that witness knew when he When did your firm start?- went in for the deal that the Eight years ago,
Have you ever sold timber to board. sleepers were to be used for tuh- nels, witness-- replied "no" and Morsman's?--Yes, we sold explained that the railway sleepers in July. sleepers were piled high up like What firm' did you purchase a hill so that one was not able them from? From Kin Wah." to say what amount was in good When? On July 21, 1041. condition. He added that there were three kinds of sleepers chase? On July 21. Oregon pine, which could not be You could not. You sold on both deal in timber? No: the Pang Chik and Tam-I am a used for tunnels, but only for the 18th and another lot on the Tai Lee Chan was established high class officer. gasolene boxes; decayed sleepers, 19th. When did you buy from eight years ago. Child Hing about How high? That is to say, of which only a small percentage these people? We have not dealt two or three years ago, and their offer my assistance to my man were good; and a third kind, with sleepers before, Marsinan, business was in wooden boxes ager which was the best hard wood gave us an order. MORE NARA But both sold sleepers to Mars- that could be found. In the Co- Maraman's gave you an order man's? lóny, and you then purchased, and in You say that Chik Hing never Do you know now that the order to fill the order you pur- had any business with Marsman's sleepers have been used in tune chased from Kin Wah? Yes. and Kin Lee? Yes, nel work? - After the work Is that a timber firm? It is the Chik Hing never sold to Kin started I know it.
came firm as that of Mr. K. C. Leg. (No, answer)
Did Chik Hing evor sell to Leung
When did you make the pur-those in Chik Hing capital, Chairman: What are you in Chairman Ever seen this be
Do you know now?
I
Tam7-No sir. Tai Lee wrote the And sold by Pang Chik and What do you asslet him in do- note and used Pang Chik and Tum Ing? To supervise the work. I paper.
***Who put the chop on am an engineer
Have you ever sold timber to money, was received? Kin Lee? Pang, Chile and Tam was put by the people of never sold sleepers to Kin Lec. Lec.
Did Tai Lee sell any? I know something about this. Tai Lee
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