WEDNESDAY, MARCH 30, 1910.
THE LAND OFFICE FRAUD.
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There was a continuation at the Criminal Sessions this morning, before the Asting Chief Justice (Hon Mr W. Roes Daries EC) and a spacial jury of the affair known as the Hastings, ess, in which a Chinese unmod Lam Fuk Chiu, alias Chung Yan Li, charged under three count The Brit of these accussa hint of conspiring to defraud any person willing to lend money by means of a forged Crown. Laane, the second with conspiracy to defraud John Hastings, and the third with obtaining two chèques, one for 23,000 and another for $14,358.33, by virtue of certain forged documents.
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that the money bad bean attached. He had bonnie long in the force,
Bo had been so long in the Polico force where they know nothing about foreign attachment that ba knew it Wall he know that Mr John Hastings hoped to get the money attached.
any that the money Bad been attached
So he thought it would be quite safe to Yo
Did he therefore blaff the defendant into believing that the money had been already fore. Whether it is bluti or not in for you atiached I can paly say what I said be to decide..
Did the detective ay maything about the defendant's wife? That in nothing to do with this cana.
M Alabaster (heatedly)-Will you and Mr Slade-Don't shout. wer the question
Mr Alabastor-Well, he has no right to say that
guarantee what the interpretar may have ald Infered na inducement.
Before the Magistrate did the prisoner speak id English-I don's recolinot.
Did you in any way aution the prisoner
can't remember
If you went again ander almilar con- hypothetical question. ditions you would causson him That is
a
You know it is the custom to caution prisoners when they are charged Yas
His Lordship Did you pat any question. tings I think I asked him if he would to him regarding the fraad on ur Has sign the sheque bub he refused. We kaked him if he was prepared to make any admission or give any information and ba aid he know nothing about inte skad him further questions with a view to as curtaining the others concerned.
Fin Lordship asked a question, which could not be heard and proceeded-If you did so you ware wanting very much in dis- Did he say anything about this woman ?cretion. It is wholly opposed to what a Mr MW. Slado, R.C.. instructed by Mr. F. B. L. Bowley, Crown Boliciter,, he said, "How could you get so touch solicitor would do. Any question put to prosecuted whild-Ar C. G. Alabaster, Macno."
money your wife is prostitute in the prisoner by a solicitor with a view to fastructed by Mir E L. Shenton, from the
gutting op a case against him is regular. It is my duty to say 40.jpg V office of Messrs Deacon, Looker....and
Witness I don't think any question of Dolcon, dofonded.
The following gentlemen constitute the spacial jeryor K. G. Goth. Gibbs, C. F. G. Grimble, C. Eder J. S. Douglas A. O'D. Gourdin and H. Flackney.
Did the detectiransay this woman had boon arrested --No, I don't remember
·that, "..
Hatay have said it but I did not hear it Will you wear that he did not?-No. Dis he ask the prisoner if he would like to be put in prison Yea
A considerable part of the morning was taken up in the cross-examination by Mhot tell the truth he would. Alabaster of a. Caineso interpreter employ ed in the ofice of Messrs Hastings and Hastings. Tho witness stated that he wont to Mano, whare prischer was under arrest, and was accompanied by Mr Jacks, Mr Davidson and the chief of the Chinese detectives in the Hongkong Police.
What did you gather, he moant by that would not be put in prison and if he'did He meant that if he spoke the truth be
the cheque and state all he knew about ic Did he not in fact say if he would siga lie would be set. free - Yes.
the cheque as the money was not his?-Yos Did the prisoner sy he could not sign
Did the detective then shout at him and
that sort was put to him. It was Mr Jacke
Hastings to advise him, who questioned him a inflected
Further evidence was called and the case agalu adjourned.
SPORTING.
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FRISIDENT'S LEAVE OF ABSENCE, Does this meet with your approval I asked the President when corpoadores. was submitted relativo to the granting af leave of absence to the Blond of the Dapart. ment, and to the appointment of Mr O. Hutchison to set in ba stead,
Hon. Me Hewett It is competent for
the Board to refuse in the circumstances? (Laughter.)
"THE ZÁKKHOUSE LAWA, house Heena at No. 37 Shanghai street, Dealing with the application for a baka.
the President oxid the only question was whith the Bractwa prepared to grant forsing the carett renduring of the flooms this application temporarily without ou
until the district became thoroughly populated, or whether members will enforce the byelaws at once, 10 2009 Ap
Mr. Hooper-I take it that it is not s question of public health 7:
The President-L.prosume not
Mir Hooper As far as I understand it, the Public Health Act was framed to meet the most drastic circumstances and power. was given to the Board to grant exemptions! of promises where there was no danger to
(Why did you go there ?-In order to me point his fingorat him 3-did not see that. Handicap and One Design Claas racing; the public health. I think that this ap
Ra-sxamined by Mr Slade Did you during this time know who the other can **foderates wero ----Na
what admissions prisoner was going to make.
How long have you been in a solicitor's office?-For five year
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Hara you ever before in the course of those five years gone before a prisoner ia omedy in order to see what admissione Would maka, 7-Well, that was at Macao.
You could do things at Macao that you could not do hore, is that what you under- stood-I don't know very much about law
Have you ever done it before in your fite- -If he makes a statement after he Fears is cautioned.
From beginning to-end was this ma cantioned No.
You know that the caution begins that
you need not say anything 7-Yes.
Did he make any admission ?---No.
Were you making enquiries to and out who they were Yes. It was our inten- tion to arrest all of them, so we tried to gat infrastic.
of prischer.
When the detectivo said. "You havö the money" what did the prisoner say?- aiready admitted that you had a share of He said the money was not his, it beleased to his wife and he could got sign a cheque..
Did he at any time deny that he made: that statement to the Chinese detective 1- No.
His Loahip-That be had already ad- mitted having received a share of it 7
Hr Slade Yes, my Lord.
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The report of the bacteriological axi aminations by Dr E. A: Shaw of the Tytar watars during January stated that they showed clearly that the service reservoir had become contaminated; there being an increase both in the total number of micro organisms and in the number of B. Coli as: compared with what was found in the water
contamination being wasted down the You can read the latest up as it left the filter bede. The possibility
to-date Volumes for-
Did he dany that he knew anything Hastings and Hastings, under cross. Bandicap and One Design Class racing hillside into this open reservoir of filtared
about this - Yes,
How many people spoke to him of your party-We all spoke to him ons after the other. ...What did you say to him?-We talked a great deal, but I don't remember exactly what was said.
Can you tell me something that was said to him 7-I said if he would tell us the truth of what really happened we would not press him.
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What did Mr Jacks say to him.3--Mr Jacks asked him whether he knew anyone "in"the Lasil Office.
Hie Lordship What answer did ho givs said he knew a young man by sight but did not know his name.
Mr Alabaster-Can you tell me what Mr Davidson asked him I can't quite re member.
You came from the same offes and you know what you wanted prisoner to say. You must remember. I had no instructions what to do. The result, was that prisoner denied he had done anything of the sort.
Did Mr Davidson suggest he would not
Mr Davidson, of the firm of Messrs examination by Mr Alabaster, spoke to the register in the Land Office before pro making a supplementary examination of ceeding to Mr Gardiner's office to hand he noticed that a name had been scratchel over the money. He could cot asy whether out and that of Ko Na Walt inserted... were to Name for not having noticed it ?- Has anybody aver su gested that you No.
I suppose you assumed that the name which had been struck out had been inserted by accident 7-Probably.
Did you go. Baani with Mr Jaoks and un, interpreter 7 Jas
defendant to make admissions -No, Mr Did y go for the purpose of getting the Jacka went for that purpose.
Did your party go for that purpose?-I woat on behalf of Mr Hastings in con- noction with another matter.
ask this man to gigea cheque for the What was the other matter -I went to balance of the money which was at his credit at the bank and restore the money to Mr Hastings.
If he and done that, what would have
by pressat it be made a full admission 7-happened I have not the faintast ide Mr Davidson did not do so.
His-Lordship What do you say "Mr Davidson askel him He asked him if he was concerned in this matter.
Mr Alabestar-The Chinese detective also spoke to him?-Yen.
dropped They certainly would
Would civil proceedings have been
It was your intention to get the civil that ?-No, I was acting under Mr Hastings! proceedings against him dropped if he did instructions. It is obvious that they would
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Capt. Beasley and Capt. Cranford (Army) bent A. G. M. Fletcher and P. T Wodehouse (Ciril Service), 60, 8/9,-
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Did he suggest the charge would not be preased if he made a clean breast of it?- He said if he would tell the truth if he had done it we would not press it.
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for the light-weight championship of the to gira affect to the resolution as soon as I suppose that was the impression which Urient between Seaman J. Roberta, H.M.S. practicable, it will be putting it on record. The Uncounted Look, by Mary Gaunt, His Lordship-That is very important.
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Flest in South Chins; Drummer B. the Board doem it
"Cleara. sential Mr Alabaster-Yes, your Lordship. Two that sort to the defendant. of them held out inducements.
Mr Shelton Hooper, proposed a ressis- The challenges are astion to this effect. Dr. Clark seconded, and Mr Alabastor-Can you remember any. There was a certain amount of conversa follow-Stoker White, H.M.S. Bedford the motion was agreed to. you tell me what happened the Local Garrison. thing else Me Davidson said He question between the defendant and the tioned him about the money he had in the interpreter. Brak
In Chinese or English Chinese.
What did Mr Davidson say about that t He asked where he got it from."
What did prisoner say He said the money belonged to his wife.
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The President fagtet to say that I The Rost of Rome, by Warwick Desping. And you stopped it 1-I think it was substantial side stake and the champion- yet, owing to the fact that for the past air / Home Secretary, by W. Kay Was it not the gaoler Perhaps it was ship of the colony between Sosman Reeday, weeks in addition to my ordinary work I Sporting Chance, by Alice Askew, You then went before the magistrate
What she did Mr. Davidson say I can't-Mr Jucks. remember that he said anything else.
Now, now. You remember very clearly what happened in Mr Hastings' office at a Yea. time when you did not expect any fraud
And before the magistrate you exercised
was being carried through. It was some great care not to offer any inducement to weeks later that the man was actually prisoner Yes. -arrested and you knew then that you were
Are you quite sare that you did not
to be called as a witnies. I put it to you either directly or through your interpreter that you do know something more about tell prisoner that if he signed the cheque the money?--Well, our purpose in going to proceedings against him would be drop. Macao was to get a written statement. ped-No. I did not tell him that. What
attached and that he would-save, trouble
HS. Bedford v. Lance Corporal Spillett,
But.
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have had the work of reorganizing the
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scavenging system at Kowloon, as well na
the question of ceilings and stair-linings This matter, however, has by no means been forgotton, and will receive attention at the earliest possible moment.
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with the Hongkong. Volunteer Corps took that I spent the whole of yesterday morn 31, Queen's Road Central,
The annual rifle meeting in connection Colonel Bedford-I should like to say Place on Easter Monday which no doubt ing in the Mount Austin dullah, and the Is that why you took to Macao two blank I told him was that the property had bean spectable total of 91. Guoner Hay was might be interesting to the commitee to accounted for the rather small attendance. first thing I found was a disused, earthen
HONGKONG. Bergt. Sorby from scratch scored the raware pedestal water-closet. I thought it. chiques --Not two, one.
Was the statement to be written on theif Huld pay the money, over now.. the winner of the handicap aggrogate prize know this.
The mem engaged had givan satisfaction, back of the choque No, that was D-Strictly, of course, the property had det following, ara 'kho scores at 200, 500, and apparatus must have come from the military against any of them,, The rubbish had i with 98, including his handicap, "The
Hoo. Mr. Chatham I four, air, that that and there had boon practically no complaint 600 varde, handicap in parenthosis, and barracks.
been removed by bullock carts, and as a total respectively:
result there had been more than before, TRAIN LOGREGATE HANDICAP:
while the disposal of rafusa by a steam barge was a complete success. He pro- posed next month, or shortly, to let the
report
other thing.
bean attached Yes
Hon. Mr Hewett ==It might have come from "Craig Byria.”
Hon. Mr. Chatham Since the Mount Austin Barracks ans cessed to be occupied
aw hotel, the aroundings have been very often in an untily confidim.
Board hare a full'
on the depart. mental work of scaredging in Kowloon
give your sepsenal attention to this. We large increase in the number killed soon as you get the opportunity you will Mr Shelton Hooper -No doubt, sir, xa
bould like to have a report as soon as boy to note the steady inéponse In the
The
retard for the month showed
"Ör Fitzwilliam minuted-It is satisfac-
The President-Certainly, I prosume number of rats killed in Kowloon
The President stated that the large
possible.
Yes, tist is the other thing I want you You merely knew that an application to remember. Tell me what Mr. Davidson was to be made for Ita. attachment said about these ebeques-Mr Davidson knew that the attachment would almost and to the Portuguese officer if the prisoner certainly follow the application, would sign a cheque for his share of the
Gr. Hay, 32, 30, 28, (8), 98; Gs. Tollan, monay we would not press him.
The prisoner stated that it was not his 30, 28, 32, (6), 26; Cpl. Crawford, 89, 91, money I think he said it belonged to 20, ( Did prisoner refuse to sign that cheque? bis wife.
3, (3), 95; Lt. Col. Chapman, 31, 27, 38, (8) 94 Capt. Thompson, 25, 31, 28, (7) When you started for Blaze hid the perience in criminal cases I can't say Sorby, 31, 31, 23, (Sc.), 91; Gr. Long, 50, You have had very considerable ex-92; Pts. Irving, 27, 26, 3, (2), 92; Sergt. money standing in the Dutch Bank to the considerable. I have had some experience 32, 33, (6), 91, Cpl. Bulloch, 1937 „erădit of ma of the identical name of during the past year.
prisoner been attached ?—No
Have you ever gone to a prisquer in Lieut. Andrewa, 29, 28, 33, (Sc.), 80 (Sc.), 87; Br. Manuk, 30, 30, 25, (3), 87 It was subsequently -Ies, on the very custody on a crifinal charge and questioned Sapper Neubronner, 27, 28, 29, (Sc.), 84 that the-Acting Hesa may possibly do
5. M. Rodgan, Lcutidy:4-Nn. inducemed to the prisoner-Because any Haines, 30, 28, 25, (Sc,), 88; Cpl. Sayar And a grating was opened and who spoke inducement offered would have made any 20, 24, 21. (8). 63 Bergt, Chapman; 31, to him?--The Chinese detective.
admission ralaeloss sa evidencés meg What did he mye said as he hail
23, 25, (Sc.), 82; 0.8.M. Mock, 28, 26, 21 admitted before that he has a share in the
Is that the only reason?—Yes." (7) 82 Gr. Miller, 22, 18, 28, (13), 31; money if he would then way, so we would compounding felony I think Mr Shen Grimshaw, 24, 21.24, (8), 75: Gr-Haigh it did not strike you that it might be Opi. Tammest, 27, 30, 21. (96.), 78, Bergt not pross him.
The prisour
declined to be bluffed 7-ton was the only person who suggested 23, 97, 13, (8), 71; Gr. Hunter, 14, 20, 2 The prisoner refused to do in Tant is all
.." I suppose you know the urina which had OFFIORES ONLY I cau. say, I don't know anything about been committed by somebody I knew a
(10), 69; I Northcote, 26, 11, 2, (10), 494 bluff
Did ho deny bis quit entirely
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When you first Macao. was he in a coll 7-Yes.
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forged mortgage had been put through? 1st i Lt. Col. Chapman, 31; 27, 28, (8),
manner of mains forgotzen, but it was the 12th to the 19th March the number rather do it myself. The question is by campaign, which had just finished. From at considered beclutely urgent. These had gone up from 600 to 600 reekich matters must be taken in rotation, whereas was a record, and might be considaced matter, and I had to attend to it at once. the scavenging at. Kowloon was an urgent quite antifactory.
Dealing with Dr. Pearson report with regard to the scavenging of Kowloon Dr. Fitzwilliamsinated-1 would like to note
You know thatɔwas a talbay - You 94 Capt. Thompson, 36, 31, 28, (7) 907 great approbation that this report has You did not know what part the prisoner Lammert, 27, 30, 31, (8.), 78 Lt. North-wrink, would it not be possible to type Lt. Andrew, 25, 23, 33, (8.), 88 Opl. boon typed. Instead of the usual report
CAMPROVED. ARXAN DEOGARAD FREE. The President There is a matter which, it your permission, I should kill to bring ups. That is the qo'mition of ilaclaring
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The President think that all reports
The Hon Mr. Bawett seconded, and the motion was earned.
in oloring to let him off if he sold the mitted a falony ! I thought about it at Bergt. Walls (Bust), 30-80) £5, (B), 831 tepth, would there I don't know about 11, I soppoes adi that"
Carpa Sergt. Major Bigby 72121 Did the detective say anything about the things -I don't
Isn't It your duty to think about thess (16), 84; C.S.M. Rodger, 28, 2727, (86)
(50.88 money in the Bank was now being attached.
0.8.M. MooE, 28, 26. 21
, money being attacked?—Ion, fin kald the these think what you mean by 89 Borgt. Chapman,-18′′)
Did you not think that what you waze | Grimshaw, 21, 21, 24, (6), 75%
That wagchat actually true was it! He doing was irregular -No, because it was
did not know that It was attached, did he not
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by that 7-It was not i
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ma be typed In fact, they have been ¿De Fitzwilliams moved that the com- since the waiter was brought forward. miten appointed to deal with this questing, With regard to scavenging a Kowloon, the should be empowered to relays over £12,000,000. apaskar stated that he had been unable to which they might sloem enj
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prepare a full report, an these had me best Me Shelfoz Hooper seconded, and the THE STANDARD LIFE OFFICE
full month's work oorplated. He thought mouton was agreed to
is advisable, however, to fornish a report From the Assistant Medical Odiliar, of
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You know the mining of the word bluff doing it before 1 Nok
Have you ever heard of anybody also with the 2nd Battalion of the Buffs took Vary antiafactorily no far. The conservancy don't you? The detective's statement that it was not irregular ib was not accorlloon, this aftertioon, when Laut Colonel contractor while the gawanging had obta
plans at the Kowloon Cricket Club Kew work. had been carried out by the new Ese money was attaubed was bluff whiting to plasticast Iasyod this man R-Bayard, DEO and offrets wine zy had done by the Deparinde
to dorato atgn A basque far money be Home to large number of ghosta. The only had warsupposed to have stolen
weather was beautifully. Los and all the dong the You are quite warm pers mide motting events wors keenly vonte
resulta and the aide chspreis about wriminal prouddin orican will appear in our labus morrow B'yahingi + varions details and
not? He did not know that the application would be galonad
alohe did not know that it would granted, alther He took it for rent
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