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cerned?—There have been from time to time analyses made of the liquor sold in public- houses and the result has invariably been the same.
As far as you know no liquor has been found to be deleterious on analysis?--As far as my knowledge goes it has never been pronounced to contain deleterious substances.
Would it be possible for the liquors to be mixed in a public-house without the Police knowing it? I mean, in other words, do you consider that the supervision and control that the Police exercise over these houses are sufficient to prevent adulteration of this liquor suppose a man wants to do so?—I do not pretend to say for one moment that the supervision is complete. To increase the supervision is the only means I can suggest as far as police supervision is concerned.
I will put the question more direct. Under the present circumstances it is quite possible for this adulteration to occur? We have reason to believe that the liquors are mixed with a very inferior samshu. Do you think it is quite possible to occur?--Of course, it can occur. You can never prevent that. The only thing you can do is to devise means for catching the men at it.
That is the very thing I wanted. You consider that the present means are not suffi- cient to catch the men at it; in other words, the detective department is not suffi- ciently strong?-I do not say that. I say that the thing has never been systematized. Therefore it can occur. With regard to this definition of adulterated liquor, there are the words, "any liquor which is not of the nature................................of the liquor which it is labelled as being or purported to be." Well, we know that whiskey is sold and brandy is sold in this place and openly marked "made in Germany." You do not consider that would come under the Ordinance? The label is there and "made in Germany." We know that is not whiskey: we know that whiskey as whiskey comes from England or Ireland, America, and Canada. Those are the only places where whiskey as whiskey is known.--It is the stuff demanded by the purchaser, isn't it? "Of the quality demanded by the purchaser."
Yes, the quality demanded by the purchaser, or liquor which it is labelled as being. I go in and ask for a glass of whiskey and I am served with whiskey out of a bottle.- If you ask for Scotch whiskey and he gives you whiskey made in Germany, I should think that would come under the Ordinance. But if
But if you ask for whiskey and you are served with whiskey made in Germany, I am not sure whether a prosecution would succeed. I do not see why they should not make whiskey in Germany.
I am asking the question. You say a constable is the man who sees to the proper conduct of these places. You mean the general management of the place ?—I said they were supervised in two ways-firstly, generally by the Police on duty; and secondly, specially by the detective staff.
How many samples would be seized in the year? Take since 1893-since you were in charge.-I told you at the outset that the provisions of Ordinance, 18 of 1896 have not been carried out systematically.
The constable on duty is the man who is responsible for the general conduct of the houses..... ? I do not think that these houses are conducted in a disorderly manner. I think they compare very favourably with those in any city.
Why have there been so many complaints by the naval and military authorities ?- The men go into barracks and are found drunk, but a great many of the drunks that take place in barracks do not take place in licensed premises. The men take the liquor into the barracks.
That liquor is procured from licensed premises ?-From grocers or licensed premises.
So that there is a good deal of the drunkenness, in your opinion, that comes from the grocers ?—I do not say in my opinion. I say that a great deal of the drunkenness