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A-There are two sealed patterns. The weight of the heavier rattan which is used on an adult is 4 oz., and it is 46 inches long and 14 inch in circumference. The weight of a rattan used on a juvenile is 2 oz. It is 35 inches long and 2 inches in circumference.
Q-What is the medium one? Is there a mediuin one?
A-These two sealed patterns are the only patterns authorised to be used in the prison. There is a medium rattan.
Q-Have these rattans been used the whole time you have been there?
A-Yes.
Q-There has been no innovation since you have been there in respect to the pattern of the rattan ?
A--No.
Q-Or the weight?
A-No.
Q-Have you yourself witnessed floggings with the rattan now in vogue?
A-I have.
Q-Can you give the Committee an idea of the effect of the different number of strokes on an average Chinaman, beginning at six and going up by sixes?
A-On an average Chinaman six has little or no effect in the way of cutting or violence. Twelve may cut him slightly, and so on proportionately. Of course men are affected differently; some men are very soft.
Q-I am speaking of the average man; we can only go by the average. Have you seen prisoners faint at a flogging ?
A-Never.
Q-When you have been present at a flogging, have you ever deemed it your duty to interfere ?
A-Never.
Q-Have you seen a prisoner bonâ fide unable to walk to the hospital or to the cell after a flogging?
A-Yes.
Q-Have you seen a prisoner carried away from a flogging?
A-No, led away.
Q-Have you seen the Surgeon stop a flogging?
A-No.
Q-Do you know anything of the effects of the birch or "cat-o'-nine-tails"?
A-I have never seen them inflicted.
Q-Have you seen Europeans flogged in Victoria Gaol ?
A-I have not.
Q--Then you cannot tell us how a European endures a flogging compared with a Chinaman?
A-No European has been flogged during the time I have been in charge of the Prison.