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Q Did you ever witness the floggings yourself?
A-Yes.
Q--Have you witnessed them sufficiently often to be able to tell us the effects of a flogging of say, six, twelve, eighteen, twenty-four, and thirty-six strokes?
A-Yes, I have.
Q---Can you describe the effects to us?
A-On an ordinary healthy man six strokes have no evil effects.
Q-I am asking you what the effects are.
A-One or two weals which, I should say, heal up in the course of a day or two. A man who has twelve begins to have a certain amount of cutting of the flesh : a man who has eighteen has the same thing considerably aggravated, and I think the highest I have seen myself was twenty-five, when there were several bruises which exposed the flesh.
Q-Have you seen a prisoner faint under any flogging?
A--No, never.
Q-Have you seen a prisoner bona fide unable to walk to the cell or hospital after a flogging ?
A--No.
Q-Have you seen a prisoner carried away from a flogging?
A-No.
Q-Have you ever seen the Surgeon stop a flogging?
A-I have known the Surgeon state an intention of stopping one-I was present myself-simply on account, as I believed at the time, of the tremendous howling that was raised by the prisoner.
Q-How many strokes ?
A-As far as I recollect, eighteen strokes.
Q--At what period did the Surgeon try to stop the flogging?
A-The surgeon tried to stop it at the tenth stroke.
Q-Was it stopped at ten ?
A-No.
Q-Why not?
A-I told the Surgeon privately I believed the man was feigning.
Q-You have not seen the effect of the birch or “cat-o'-nine-tails" upon a Britisher?
A-No.
Q-Have you ever seen a European flogged at Victoria Gaol?
A-Nothing beyond six.
Q-How do they bear a flogging with a rattan as compared with the Chinamen?
A-About the same.
Q-In England Governors of Gaols have no powers of imposing flogging. Can you give us any reason for vesting the Superintendent of Victoria Gaol with a power to order twelve strokes which would not be applicable to the Governors of English Gaols?