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Q- Have you ever seen a man flogged with twenty-four strokes?
A-Twenty-four, yes.
Q-You yourself have seen it? I do not mean know of it.
A-I heard they were sentenced, but whether they got it or not I do not know. Q-The men you have seen whipped-how many strokes did they get do you think? A-I have seen them getting six, twelve, and three dozen. They were sentenced by the Visiting Justices.
effect
Q-You have seen a man get three dozen ?
A-Yes.
Q-Have you noticed the effect on the breech of men?
A-Some, yes.
Q-Take a man who has had six strokes; generally speaking, what has been the
upon him?
A-He might have been just merely marked, not much. He might have been cut a little, not much.
Q-Twelve strokes ?
A-I do not know..
Q-Do they draw blood always?
A-Not with six; I believe twelve will draw blood.
Q-I want to know whether you have seen twelve draw blood?
A-Well, I cannot say.
Q-You know the rattans that are now used?
A-I do.
Q-There are three of them?
A-If there are two floggers they have a rattan each.
Q-I mean there are three sorts of rattan?
A-Yes, for jeveniles and adults.
Q-Do you know whether the weight and the shape and the size of the rattan have been the same during the thirteen years you have been in the Gaol ?
A-That I cannot say; I know nothing about that. There is a pattern rattan, and all I can say is that the new ones must correspond with the pattern, as far as I have heard.
Q-I want to know what you have seen.
A-It was not my duty to stand there; I have passed by.
Q-Have you had much experience of what goes on in the Gaol ?
A-Yes, I have.
Q-What offences are most common?
A-Refusal to labour, I think, is most common.
Q-You have seen Chinamen at hard labour there? A-Oh, yes.