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Q.-But you said just now that Mr. Carvalho received the money for the licences? A. Yes, in the same way as Alves. If Mr. Carvalho received money from out- siders he handed the money and receipt to me.
Q. And he balanced at the end of the day and you paid it into the Bank?
A. Yes, I showed the total to Mr. Carvalho and then he sent the money to the Bank.
The Chairman.-Is this a form of receipt for Crown Rent?
(Form produced and identified.)
Q. When Alves brought any money, did Alves bring in this book (receipt book with counterfoils) or only this receipt form?
A.-Only the receipt-not the book.
Q.-Therefore you did not know whether the counterfoil corresponded with the
receipt?
A.-No.
Q. Whereabouts did Alves use to put the figures.
(Witness indicated the centre of the receipt form.)
Q. Who made out the slip for the Bank ?
A.-The chief clerk, Mr. Carvalho.
Q. Where did he get the figures from?
A. From my foki's report.
Q.
Did you report to Mr. Carvalho or Mr. Alves?
A. It was done like this. I made out the amount and then I put on a slip of paper the total, showed the slip to Alves and then went to my co-employé who would report the amount received during the day to Mr. Carvalho for him to make out the slip for the Bank.
Q.-Then you would get the slip and take the money to the Bank?
A. Yes. Mr. Carvalho gave me the slip.
Q.-Can you give us any information as to how Alves was able to take away so much money?
A.-I cannot give any reason.
Q.-You don't know how it was managed?
A.-No.
(Chop produced.).
Q.-That is your chop, is it not?
A. Yes, that is for chopping receipts.
Q. Whereabouts was Alves' room--anywhere near your room?
A.-No. It is not near my room.
Q.-People could go to Alves and hand over money to him and you would not
see it ?
A.-No, I should not. His room is not entered from my room.
The Commission adjourned until Thursday, March 2nd, at 11.30 a.m.