certain articles of the penal code, the release of some long term

prisoners and the commutation of death sentences. But the new

anti-terrorist legislation contained some problems. Could the

Secretary of State help? The Secretary of State replied that he was

perfectly prepared to do so. Turkey was one place where we could

help.

SOUTH AFRICA

8.

Mr Bull raised South Africa. There was still allegations of

complicity by the Security Forces in unlawful killings. Section 29

of the Security Act, which provided for detention without trial,

needed to be repealed if political confidence were to be created.

The Secretary of State commented that he thought that most African

countries have such provision. Mr Gass recalled that

President De Klerk had referred to

Section 29 in his speech in

Parliament. The Secretary of State said he would look in to the

question.

CHINA

9.

Mr. Jones asked what response the Secretary of State had had in

China when he raised human rights. The Secretary of State replied

that he had raised three items: the list supplied by

Amnesty International, four specific Hong Kong cases and Tibet. It

was slightly encouraging that he had been given a hearing. In the

past he would have been told that it was none of his business. But he could not pretend to have got anywhere. Dumas and Mr Kimmitt had

likewise raised human rights with the Chinese. He himself had

raised Tibet with the Party General Secretary, and had been told

that Tibet was open for people to go and look. This was better than

nothing. Generally, there was a tendency for conversations at the top to contradict each other, the result of economic reformism

contradicting political rigidity. His personal prophecy was reasonably favourable, though things would take a long time. It was for example a considerable step that the Chinese Press now sometimes carried human rights stories, though admittedly quoting foreign

sources.

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