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gainfully occupied is to teach them a skill that they can use when they leave the prison, when they are eventually released. Against that background it seems to me that whether the prisoners make - whether they are purposefully occupied doing jobs for the Government or the private sector, they would be making a profit for the Government if they were doing it for the Government, which they are, provided that the marginal cost involved in any particular Government order is not 8 higher than the full cost of getting this particular service or product
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Now this said, I agree that obviously the more productive the prisons can be the better, but I honestly think unless they are. 18 being asked to undertake very sophisticated work which is virtually 19 beyond their capability or would need an army of supervisors, virtually 20 anything that the prisoners do for the Government in the way they are 21 doing it at the present time is profitable.
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I would just like to add, if I may, that the primary objective as Mr Jeaffreson has said is to keep these 29 inmates purposely occupied. If you do not keep them purposely
occupied, they will react and we as prison officers know that idle hands and minds can create a very explosive atmosphere which will lead to unrest and violence, and you can have my assurance on that, it will occur. But further to productivity being low, yes it is low; 34 but I believe also that in addition to the prisoners not having the
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