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CHAIRMAN:

The next item on the agenda, we are dealing

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with Director of Audit's Report 78 86.

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We are asking the Commissioner

of Correctional Services and Secretary for Security to appear before

the Committee. (Pause) Good morning.

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S for S:

Good morning.

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CHAIRMAN:

We are dealing with Director of Audit's

Report, paragraph 78 - 86 on low efficiency in the Correctional

Service Industries. May I start off to ask the Secretary for Security

that in your opinion the CSI, Correctional Services Industry, the

productivity of this particular operation is low. that assessment in the Report?

S for S:

Do you agree with

Against the background in which this work

is done, I don't. What I think we have got to bear in mind is that

in this prison industry business there are three main objectives.

The first one is to keep the prisoners gainfully occupied in some form of constructive work. This is particularly important in terms of the discipline within prisons. Countries which do not employ their prisoners gainfully end up with prison riots and worse. record in terms of prison riots is exemplary compared with other

parts of the world. At the present time in my view, I don't know

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degeneration in terms of prison behaviour worldwide, particularly in Europe and the States.

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The second objective is to teach these prisoners how to

work. I am afraid it is a characteristic of prisoners that they get

into prison by and large because they prefer to make their earnings

by stealing, robbery, burglary, rather than actually getting down to it as everyone else has to do and doing a job of work.

The third objective is in the process of keeping them

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