(c)

(d)

a decision to move the Lao camps the Lao border and thus offer a obvious material attraction to Vientiane area;

further away from

less visible

and

those in

the

the

a full rather than piecemeal approach to problem: an attempt to explore all solutions rather than just resettlement;

(e)

a willingness

in order to

outflows:

to deal with the countries of origin resolve the conditions that caused the

a course which McNamara suggested would not have come close to the cost to resettlement countries and asylum countries of the single policy that had been applied since 1975.

Having said this McNamara recognised that ideal solutions were far from easy

in

as complex a situation as South East Asia in the early 1980s and

in

the emotive international response to the refugee problem.

10.

was

Finally he concluded that humane deterrence an invalid

L approach, simply because it was based on the assumption that if conditions were bad enough they would effectively deter new arrivals, ignoring the basic reasons why many choose to leave. A s examples, he pointed out that neither expulsions of boat people in 1979, nor Thai piracy, deterred arrivals.

He added that resettlement "freezes" were unfairly and arbitrarily applied on a fixed date ignoring the particular circumstances of those who came before or after the date in question (he suggested that perhaps continuing resettlement might have been possible without these freezes if there had been less publicity surrounding it). He added that no exploration of refugee motives 1980 s was effectively possible in the absence programme of screening.

Discussion

of

in

the early any accepted

1 1

There followed

fairl a

rly unstructured

and slightly confused discussion which covered a number of areas (not al1 to do with South East Asia). There was a ritual attack on Hong Kong's closed camps as concentration camps by a West German (!) an interesting comment from an African about the (in his view) validity of policies

of humane deterrence in the East African setting; a comment about ODP which led McNamara to observe that in his view ODP had had no direct effect boat departures; and

11

on

a question about a further UK quota for Vietnamese which I was invited to answer. This enabled me to clarify that in fact Hong Kong had never applied a resettlement f reeze" to new arrivals; and to summarise more of the background to Hong Kong's closed camp policy and the dilemma in which Hong Kong found itself. I asked McNamara what solution he saw to the problem: he stated that in his view resettlement to some extent had created the problem by creating a perception

mind of arrivals that they would automatically

sudden withdrawal

be

in the resettled;

of

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