(Mr Checketts

The Venetians invented money, did they not, to

trade with? There is less and less of it around and I think each

nation which counter-trades would rather trade in money if it could.

If it cannot export its goods and generate the foreign exchange to

import, there has to be another lever applied and counter-trade is the

lever that they apply. The emphasis on counter-trade is the percentage

that they demand that you counter-trade on each contract they offer you

and in Eastern Burope, which is really where the contract flourished or

began and flourished, it works moderately well. Percentages can vary

from 5, 10, 15 to 100 per cent, depending on the country's economic

situation.

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mentioned.

Mr Mikardo

In one case I know of, 145 per cent.

(Mr Checketts) Fortunately, that has never happened to me but

I can well imagine it might happen to others. Indonesia is the case you

It is a country which has not developed its export markets.

It has been slow to develop its export markets. It has exportable products

and they do not wish to reduce their import plans because of their

current foreign exchange shortage, but they hope to generate more foreign

exchange funds by introducing these counter-trade regulations.

We have, in the UK, responded sympathetically to them and it was very

important that we should. We have done; we have had very serious meetings

joint with thom about it in London and in Jakarta and the/working party

which I referred to has played a considerable part in exploring

the mechanisms for this counter-trade, so that we could advise British

industry to say yes and not no. It is very important, when you are

asked to sign a document saying you will counter-trade or will you counter-

trade, to say yes. There are usually enough avenues of negotiation to

allow you to reach a compromise on their demands and your possibilities

of supply to get over the problem but if you say no in principle, you

are not going to be considered as a bidder.

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