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The Chairman said the second point he wanted to say was that the Pay Investigation Unit was an independent body although it was conducted by Civil Service but it worked independently. Those reports were independent and were not in any way influenced by the Civil Service Branch.
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The Chairman further added that the Staff Side had obviously spent a lot of time in studying the Froductivity Centre report and the Staff Side had produced a lot of arguments of justifying a higher salary scale on the basis of that report. So the Official Side also studied it carefully and their arguments and they would comment on it in detail.
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Mrs. M. Cheung would like to ask a few questions concerning the Pay Investigation Unit report. She referred to the "Report of a Pay Survey, Typing, Secretarial, Confidential (Clerical) Services Staff as at 1.4.1973" Appendix M (page 4), and asked why the same organization number appeared twice
in the same chart.
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Mr. K. Broadbridge said the short answer to the aforesaid was that since the report was produced they had adopted slightly different methods of reporting and analysing. For a company like Company No. 4 they had only taken into account the higher pay in the company in arriving at the maximum rate and minimum rate. There must be two sets of salary scale in the company for the work of Steno-typists. For the job comparable to that of Shorthand/Audio Typists in Government in 1973 they had two ranks of scale. What they did was to take the amount of extremes the maximum and the minimum. In the 1976 report, 27 companies were used and they had altered the techniques slightly.
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Mrs. M. Cheung then referred to the same report, same Appendix M (page 4), the median point shown was $1616, Civil Service rate $750-$1220. In the same year, there was another report, "Report of a Pay Survey of the Secretarial Class as at 1.4.1973" in which a median point of $1501, Civil Service rate $1145 at maximum were shown. She asked why were there two median points at that time. She mentioned that the Civil Service rate was different too.
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Mr. K. Broadbridge said in this particular exercise they had produced two sets of figures. They wanted the information to be up-to-date.
Cne was at 1.4.1973 and the other was at 1.1.1974.
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Miss V. So said that they were not proposing to use those reports on this particular point of time, they were now using the 1976 report. The reason why they referred to the 1973 Fay Investigation Unit report was to prove that misleading might occur too.
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Mrs. M. Cheung referred to the 1973 Pay Investigation Unit report page 2 paragraph 10 under the heading "Organization Survey" which read as follows: "In order to obtain as wide a cross section of employees as possible, the Unit visited 49 organizations thought to employ staff comparable to those in the Secretarial Class. After visits to these organizations, it was found that 41 of them were employing comparable staff." She asked whether it was the aim and purpose of the Pay Investigation Unit to obtain "a wide cross section of employees as possible".
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Mr. K. Broadbridge would like to ask a general question first. asked was it the main concern of the Staff Side for him to satisfy them of the Pay Investigation Unit, and he asked why the Shorthand/Audio Typist Unit representatives did not ask the body of the Hong Kong Chinese Civil Servants' Association and whether they were doubtful of the Pay Investigation Unit report.
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