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MW JOHNSON: WELL. ALL I CAN SAY IS THAT MY MINISTERS, AND YOU'RE SING NOW OF A COLLEAGUE OF MINE ON MY SIDE OF THE HOUSE. THAT

MINISTERS PRE BADLY ADVISED OF PABLY INFORMED IN MANY MATTERS. YATELY IN THIS PUT OF COURSE IN THE MATTER OF WORKING CONDITIONS

IN TUR FACTORIES TOO, YOU KNOW, NIGHT WORK, JUVENILE, COMEN'S CONDITIONS AND THE LIKE AND WE'VE COME BACK A NUMBER OF US TIME AND TIME AGAIN AND SAID THIS ... OR SOMETHING SHOULD BE DONE ABOUT THIS.

R. PEE: BUT STICKING TO THE STATE OF THE HONG HONG POLICE FORCE, DO YOU THINK WE COULD SAY NOW THAT CORRUPTION'S SEEN PIPED OUT

MR. JOHNSON: BY NO MEANS. I DON'T THINK YOU WILL WIFE IT OUT UNLESS YOU GET A STATE OF AFFAIRS AS IN SINGAPORE WHERS YOU HAVE A CHINESE OR HAVE AN INDICC NOUS LOCAL. LE/DER WHO'S IN POWER AND KNOWS WHAT IS HAPPENING AS OPPOSED TO WHITE OF X-PATRIOTS OR COLONIAL PEOPLE IN HICH OFFICE.

R. FIC: BUT YOU SEE MATY ASITISH PEOPLE WOULD THINK THAT THE VERY FACT THAT WE HAD A BRITISH CORE TO THE POLICE FORCE THERE, WOULD ENSURE THAT IT WAS FREE OF CORRUPTION, I THINK THIS IS THE SHOCKING THING ABOUT THESE REVELATIONS.

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MR. JOHNSON:

CYAMPLE

R. KLC:

BUT IF YOU LISTEN TO PEOPLE LIFE ALAN ELLIS FOR

WID WAS IN THE HONG KONG POLICE FORCE.....

PIR, JOLINGON: WID WAS IN THE POLICE FORCE IN THE FARLY SIXTIES

AND WAS

ACTUALLY HE GOT THE LYTON AS THE SMARTEST CADET IN HIS FIRST YOZP. PEOPLE LIFT ALAN PULIO AD UTERS J'VE LISTENED TO, THEY HAVE TOLD ME THAT THEY THE GELVES HAVE FORMED INSIDE THE POLICE FORCE A SMALL CUE OF POPLE, THEY HAVEN'T BEIN .LIST RED TO AWD OF COURS THERE'S TO DOUST AS THE EVIDENCE SHOWS

TAAT PEOPLE AS NICH UP AS GUDDLI MED ACTUALLY WAS NUMBER THREE - HC WAS IN CHANCE OF KOWLOON, I POLIEVE WHICH HAS SOMETHING OVER TWO MILLION PEOPLE IN IT AND THIS IS THE DIFFICULTY.

R. FCC: WHAT DO YOU THINK THE ERITISH GOVERNMENT OUGHT TO DO NOW?

MR. JOHNSON: WELL. I'VE SEEN ASKING FOR YEARS THAT WE HAVE .... HAD A COMMISSION - AN EXTERNAL COMMISSION - /N (ORAL) COMMISSION TU OUT ON THE MOLE SET UP, NOT ONLY THE LICE BUT OF COURSE OTHER FIELDS TOO AND UNLESS YOU GET PEOPLE BEING EXAMINED - IM TALLING AGOUT MY OWN PEOPLE NOW .... ENGLISH, WELSH, SCOTS, OUR DA PESTLE CXAMI O INSICE THE POLICE FORCE BY AN EXTERNAL COMMISSION I DON'T THINK YOU WILL OFF THE ANSWER. MIND, I WANT TO BE FAIR

AND IN. PRENDERGAST ABOUT THIS BECAUSE I THINK THAT JACK (CATOR) AFC DOING A JOB WITHIN LIMITS .. WITHIN LIMITS BUT WHEN YOU REALISE THAT I THINK THE FIGURE WAS... I ASKED A QUESTION AROUT THIS,

HI IT WAS SOMETHING LIKE SIXTEEN THOUSAND POLICEMEN IN MONG X PONG MUT GNLY ONE HAS COME FONWALD 52 FAR TO THIS INDEPENDENT ANTI-

CORRUPTION.COMMISSION THAT MR. CATER - ONLY ONE'S COME FORWARD TO GIVE EVIDENCE.

R. K05:

WILL YOU PRESS MR. CALLAGHAN, THE FOREIGN SECRETARY IN THE LIGHT OF THE REVELATIONS OF THIS TRIAL .....

MN. JOHNSON: OH YES, CERTAINLY I SHALL, YES, YES.

5. KEE: THANK YOU VERY MUCH INDEED, MR. JOHNSON.

SENT 1627/25/8/75

HONGAID LONDON MONCER LANCINGO

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