x 4 or 4 x 4 (i.e., one or four quads), each quad carrying one
supergroup. Repeater spacing 20 km maximum; repeaters remotely
power-fed. Laid price of one 4 x 4 (excluding building costs) 30,000
yuan per
km.
Kwangchow-Shunchan presently 15 voice channels.
2. Telephone.
Kwangchow stated to have 18 exchanges and 30,000 telephones; present
numbers are 5-digit.
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One exchange visited using old electro-mechanical rotary selectors of
Hungarian manufacture. Stronger design.
About 10,000 lines.
Exchange airconditioned.
Shanghai is making both Strowger and Crossbar exchanges.
Most telephones are for state organisations but a few private telephones
are connected.
Rates not given, but charging stated to be on rent plus call fee basis.
Visited Kwangtung Trunk Manual Switchboard; about 100 positions,
including the Hong Kong circuits.
Similar switchboards stated to be in each province.
No STD, so all trunk traffic handled nawally with 1 minute minimum.
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Charge Kwangchow-Paking quoted as 1.10 yuan per mimite. Keyplate
selection used on all boards.
I operator attending ou 6 Hong Kong channels.
During Kwangchow Fairs maximum of 3 girls cover 11 Hong Kong channels.
The standard of operation of Hong Kong channels is alway" satisfactory.
3. Telegraph.
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D.C. keying used for local connections.
Voice frequency telegraph stated to be available as 16 to 24 channels
per voice channel.
Some government offices said to have teleprinter tielines.
Public messages handed in at telegraph offices which stated to be
separate from post offices.
In Tung Fang Hotel one counter available for both telegrams and post.
No phonogram service available.
Cost of telegraph service given as 0.03 yuau per word throughout China.
F12 format used throughout China.
Visited Kwangchow Central Telegraph Office (CTO).
Well laid out, very clean and light, not air- conditioned,
About 90 positions available of which about 50 equipped/manned.
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Circuits equipped with Chinese made teleprinters, stated to be 50 or 75
bauds, with twin-head TD's. Looked well made and maintained.
About 4 morae positions also in use.
Total load stated to be about 30,000 messages a day. Other provincial
centres stated to be of similar size.
Kwangchow-Shanghai circuit in operation 24 hours a day, others closed
before midnight.
Kwangchow-Hong Kong circuit was the only international circuit in the
cro. It had a continuously running monitor on the receive side.
Distribution of hard copy to circuits by 24 volt D.C. "railway", about
1'1" gauga, self-reversing at ends of
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Collection of tape/messages from circuits by moving belts in troughs,
Chinese characters handled in 4-figure code.
Operators translate code/characters and reverse without using books.
An experÛental unchine was demonstrated briefly. From 4-figure groups in
5 unit code the machine printed directly very legible Chinese characters
about 3/16" square on continuous roll about 8" wide. Printing method not
observable.
The printed paper dried by hot lamp.
Printing speed variously stated to be 1500 characters/ minute and 2500
bauds, but certainly very fast.
It was expected that production models would be available in about 2
years.
* Printing machine about 24′′ x 18" x 12" high,
associated with 2 x 5 ft. racks of store and 2 x 5 ft. racks of power
supplies.
Stated that machine was developed by research branch of Ministry of
Telecommunications and that they were working on a machine to convert
from Chinese characters to 4-figure groups.
4. Telex.
No service available in Kwangchow, but it was said to be available in
Shanghai and Peking to a small number of subscribers, with international
service to a few, unspecified, countries.
5. Television.
Kwangchow service is black and white from a fine 200 metre high maat.
There are no plans for introducing colour at present. It was said that
programes were exchanged live with Shanghai and Peking but the
transmission method was not revealed.
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MY TELEGRAM NO. 582.
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CABLE AND WIRELESS.
WE UNDERSTAND FROM SUART THAT CABLE AND WIRELESS IN LONDON HAVE
DISCUSSED WITH YOUR OFFICE THE MESSAGE HE SHOULD NOW SEND THE
KYANGTUNG ADMINISTRATION OF COMMUNICATIONS.
2. HE PROPOSES AND WE AGREE THE FOLLOWING:
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IT IS THE INTENTION OF MY COMPANY TO PROCEED WITH THE
CABLE PLAN DISCUSSED IN JUNE 1972 PROVIDED THAT THE RESULTS
OF THE ROUTE SURVEY WE ARE CONDUCTING ARE SATISFACTORY.
ENDS
3. IF YOU SEE NO OBJECTION SUART WILL PASS THIS MESSAGE AT 0185
GMT ON 12 JULY.
FCO PASS COPY HONG KONG GOVERNMENT OFFICE LONDON.
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Proposed paragraph in a letter from Mr.B.Suart, Gen. Manager, C&W Hong
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of Telecommunic tions at Canton
.......I have the pleasure of informing your Administration
that subject to confirmation that you now wish to develop
the cable plan discussed during June, 1972, it is the
intention of my Company to proceed with this project providing
the results of the route survey are satisfactory.
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Reference
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Kr.Slade of Cable & Wireless (242: 44331 Ext.426) ho is dealing with the
question of the new greement with the Chinese over China's external
telecommuniontions (on the basis of the agreed minutes just received
from Hong Kong)
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bas telephoned to say that there has now been a shift in the situation
as existed yesterday which won to the effect that C&W had been given the
reen light to go ahead with a 'feasibility study'only.
2.
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C.& W.in Hong Kong are now pressing the Board in London to authorise
them to give a "Declaration of Intent" to the Chinese that they will
proceed with the contracts.
3.
The question has cropped up in connexion with the arrangements for Kead
(C& Hong Kong) to go to Canton. The firm maintain that "it is necessary
for us to tell the Chinese Administration of our intention to proceed";
that the
firm would lose fice if they had to tell the Chinese that they had no
authority for proceeding with the laying of the cable.
4.
C & W reiterate that it is only a "declaration of intent" which they
hope will be forthcoming from the Government in order not to delay, or
endanger, the present negotiations.
C & W will be telegraphing to Hong Kong today and would be glad of FCC
comments as soon as possible.
5.
I see dijeha.
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Aviation and Telecommunications Dept. G.67/B/1 - GOGLS Ext.386
7 July 1972
See now teams of proposed section in letter from
Mr Snort to Revangting Relmin. of
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Telecommunications.
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TELECOMMUNICATIONS AND THE CABLE & WIRELESS LTD., HONGKONG
At the invitation of Mr. Su Shih-chich, Deputy Director of the Kwanglung
Administration of Telecommunications, Mr. B. Suart, General Manager of
the Cable & Wireless Ltd., Hongkong
Branch and others held talks with Mr. Su Shib-chich in Kwang-
chow on problems of telecommunication of concern to both sides
from June 17th to 25th 1972, and reached an agreement on
the following points:
1. To meet the needs of the development of telecommu.
nication services, it is desirable to connect Kwangchow, Shumchun Both
sides have agreed and Hongkong by underground cables. to conduct a
further exchange of views on problems relating to
the establishment of the cable lines.
2. Both sides considered it appropriate to apply various
communication facilities between Kwangchow and Hongkong, and exchanged
views on improvement of existing communications
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punications. Both sides also agreed to continue the exchange of
opinions.
3. Both sides exchanged opinions on transit telephone and
telegraph services and on operation of leased circuits and telex after
increase of the capacity of circuits between Kwangchow, Shumchun and
Hongkong,
4. Cable & Wireless Ltd., Hongkong invites the Kwangtung Administration
of Telecommunications to send its personnel to
explore the communication systems and communication services
in Hongkong at an appropriate time, and the latter accepted this
invitation with pleasure.
These notes are signed in Kwangchow on June 25th, 1972 in duplicate, in
the Chinese and English languages.
Thihar Brian Suant
General Manager
Cable & Wireless Ltd., Hongkong
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应广东省电信局副局长苏世杰的邀请,于一九七二年六月
十七日至二十五日在广州就双方关心的问题进行了会
谈,并就下列问题取得了一致意见:
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州、深圳至香港间的通信是可取的。双方同意就建设方面
的有关问题进一步商谈。
二、双方认为,广州、香港问采用多种通信手段是适
宜的,并就改善现有通信电路和采用对流层散射通信问题
进行了商谈,双方同意继续交换意见。
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COMMENTS ON "NOTES ON THE TALKS"
1.The Chinese Administration made it clear they were
looking for a cable outlet to Hong Kong (and beyond) apparently as a
route offering diversity to satellite working via Shanghai.
2.
3.
It was obvious they referred all moves in the discussions to higher
authority for direction (7 Shanghai or Peking).
C.A. stated their intention would be to route all Kwangtung Province
international traffic (which, they said, would grow quickly) via Hong
Kong on the proposed cable route; this is a remarkable change of
attitude from the past, but it must be realised that the traffic is
small at present; they would not give past figures, or forecasts, but
they did say they were considering telex and leased circuits also for
this routing.
4. C.A. agreed that present Kwangchow-liong Kong telephone
traffic is not heavy but claimed it would grow quickly. (It grew about
30% last year, and during the Spring and Autumn Faira is about four
times that of normal months.)
5. 'C.A. claimed a big demand for telephone traffic Shameluan-
Hong Kong but could give no figures. (This service was opened via
Kwangchow and the existing facilities on 19.6.72 at C.A's request. Cable
& Wireless think the demand will be minimal in fact.)
6.
The railway route Kwangchow-Kowloon is as follows, with approximate
distances:-
Kwangchow (Canton)
New Mercury House.
Shamchun Lowu Kowloon Hong Kong
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Hong Kong
The C.A. propose laying two 4 x 4 (i.e., 4 quado) carrier cables (their
largest standard design) each cable carrying 4 x 60 channels,
Kwangchow-Shunchun, during 1973. They wished to reduce to audio level at
the border and theyare prepared to provide the cable for 4-wire audio
connections across the border to Lowu. They insist upon onward cable
connection Low-Hong Kong.
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C&J's suggestion of microwave Log-Hong Kong was not acceptable to C.A.
However they accented that international connections beyond Hong Kong
would in many cases not be cable (e.g., satellite) and are content with
this.
9. C.A. appeared to have no interest in exporting their
carrier cable for uce on the Hong Kong side. C&W pointed out the
advantages of a homogeneous system, carrier throughout, Kwangchow-Hong
Kong but they were adamant at first that they were responsible only to
Shumchun, and CQW from Low onwards. Later they appeared readier to
consider a through carrier system.
10.
G... accepted that, say, 60 channel capability Low- Hong Kong would be
adequate for some time, split, say, 24 channela Kwangchow-liong Kong
terminal, the remainder for international traffic.
11. In respect of C&W's suggestion of mutual aid for
Shanghai and Hong Kong earth stations via the proposed cable route they
said Shanghai would help Hong Kong and "they would consider" the
reverse.
12. Throughout the discussions C&W repeatedly emphasised the economic
advantages of a tropospheric scatter or microwave solution,
Kuangchow-Hong Kong direct (replacing the present direct VIIF system),
and the sense of at least a paper-survey of a submarine cable route
Kwangchow-long Kong; these were given the polite attention necessary for
guests' ideas but it was made entirely clear that only a cable solution,
and the land route at that, was acceptable to C.A.
13.
14.
C&W's off the cuff estimate for a 60 channel carrier system Lowu-Hong
Kong is of the order of £200,000- £250,000 completed. This assumes an
eadily-found and legally-cleared route and the railway appears to be the
only possible route offering a practicable chance of completion in a
short period. Caw already has ducts and the necessary wayleave from New
Hercury House through the Cross-harbour Tunnel to the North Portal. The
assistance of the Hong Kong Government would be essential to obtain the
use of a route from the North Portal to the nearest connecting point
with the railway route, and thence northwards to Lowi Permission for a
preliminary survey will be sought from Government.
(1) The high-cost of the Low-Hong Kong cable system appears most
uneconomic, as the only traffic which is reasonably sure at this time is
the Kwangchow-Hong Kong stream. This is rising, but it is cheap traffic
aut C&W's share of the revenue is low.
(2) The international traffic (telephone, telex and
leased circuite) is likely to be low for some time to come and is at
present incapable of measurement (or even, I suggest, of sensible
estimate).
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(3) Mutual aid between earth stations could be of
some small benefit, to both aides.
(4)
A decision from the telecomunications point of view alone is therefore
difficult as there is insufficient data and the financial rewards can
only be described as pie in the cky.
(5) However, as it is known that the Chinese
authorities recently rejected a proposal by the Japanese for a cable
into Shanghai, and it would seem at least likely that the Americans
would welcome an opportunity to build a cable to China, this present
offer by the Chinese Administration to build a broadband cable system
with Cable & Wireless Ltd., together with the indication of its future
use for transit traffic via Hong Kong, would seem to be a splendid
opportunity for C&W and British interests to become firmly involved in
China's future overseas communications activities.
(6) Perhaps the simplest way of arriving at a decision
is to consider the likely future of Sino-British telecommunications
relations if we do not meet this, their first open indication of a wish
to be connected via C&W facilities in llong Kong to the rest of the
world; that future could well be bleak indeed.
15. On the face of it there would appear to be no political
problems about a cable system crossing the border (the railway and a
water pipe line already cross) but as political clearance by both the
Hong Kong and British Governments must be the first requirement these
notes have been copied to the Colonial Secretary, the Political Adviser
and the P.M.G., Hong Kong.
16. I wish to stress the urgency with which the C.A. regard
this matter. If it is agreed from all points of view that this project
should proceed then I recommend that all the stops should be pulled out
with a view to having a functioning system within a year from now.
27/6/1972.
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No comments yet.
Private notes are available after approval.