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with the numbers of constables as Mr. May. (To witness.) Who is No. 12?
Witness-If you refer to P. C. No. 12, there may be a constable with that number, but I cannot give his name. He would be referred to as P. C. No. 12, or if he is a sergeant, P 8. No. 12.
Mr. Robinson-I asked you who is No. 12 and now you are volunteering the statement that gamblers would call him No. 12.
Mr. Francis-He has not said anything about gamblers.
His Lordship-He has already stated that so far as this case is concerned the defendant was called No. 12 by the Chinese.
Mr. Robinson-There is more than one No. 12. The Inspector's number was 12 and if you see No. 12 in the book it must be the defendant?
Witness-Yes.
Is there not another No. 12 at the present moment in the colony P-Yes.
A man of the name of Sullivan P-I think it is Sullivan.
Attached to the Central District P-Yos. How long has he been here?-He has been here about eighteen months.
That is during the whole period of this gam bling house P-Yes.
As a matter of fact as an Inspector is raised he ceases to carry a number and the number is given to a new man ?-Yes.
Some of the numbers have been borne time after time by different men P—Yes,
In regard to these books, when you found them in No. 3, East Street, was that the first time you had been in East Street P--Yes.
When you got there you found six men, I think ---There were more than six men.
Did receive a communication about East
you Street P-Yes.
From a barrister in the colony ?—Yes. A communication from Mr. Francis, Q.C.P
-Yes.
Did he tell you who his informer was ?—No. Did he say that some man had been to him ? He did not say where he got his information. Mr. Francis only told you he was informed ? --YOB.
You had never been into No. 3, East Street: have you even been into East Street P-Yes.
You had never been in this house ?-I may have been at the time of the plague.
You did very good service then, we all know; but apart from that you have no acquaintance with East Street F-No.
In this case the warrant was signed by your- self in your character of Justice of the Peace ?
Yes.
Did you issue the warrant to Inspector Mackie-It was not issued to anybody in particular.
To all or any constables, and you handed it to Inspector Mackie P-Yes.
And you went with him P-Yes.
In answer to further questions witness said the only information upon which he issued the warrant was the information he obtained from Mr. Francis.
Mr. A. W. Brewin was here called to put in a translation of one of the books. He pointed out the entries referring to No. 12 and also an entry New 43, $2." There was also an entry **43, $5."
In answer to his Lordship, Mr. Brewin said there were no dates against the items respecting the money paid to Cheng On. All the items followed in regular sequence.
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As regards 91, he has not been suspended ?- No.
Am I right in saying that Acting Inspector Hall has been for the last 18 months at Shauki. wan ?—I do not know how long he has been there. He has been there since I came back, I believe. I came back in October last year.
As a matter of fact Acting Inspector Hall has been at Shaukiwan since last October and he was there when you returned P—Yes.
What was Inspector Mann's number P-89, What is his station P-Wanchai,
How long has he been there ?-He has been there since I came back from leave; how long before, I do not know,
Opposite 89 in this list is written $1.10P-
Yes.
He has not been suspended P-No. Has either of those two men anything what- soever to do with the gambling section No. 2, Contra-District P-No.
Can you explain how their names got into this list - Before they were transferred they were doing duty in the Central District.
I will ask you to get the dates of their re- spective appointments to their several districts. Now with rogard to Inspector Mann perhaps you will have a little more knowledge. When did Inspector Manu return from loavo P-I caunot answer that accurately. I was on leave myself.
Do you know that he returned in June, 1896, and that he was appointed to Wanchai P-I do not know what date be returned.
You know that he was on leave whilst you were on leave ?—Yes.
You can ascertain when he returned from leave P-Yes.
And when he returned to Wanchai P--Yes. Will you read the entries against 89 and 91 ? “91" and underneath is put "11." **89, $1.10; " underneath is written Tung.'
There are a large number of names of Chinese detectives in that book P—Yes,
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I think sixteen entries have been marked by somebody?—Yes.
Will you read out those sixteeu entries P-I cannot read them correctly because I cannot read grass writing very well. The first entry does not refer to a detective ; $4 is against the name. The next might be Kwan, $2.
Is he a detective as far as you know ?—There is a man called Kwan Shing, a detective. It may refer to him.
Has he been banished —Yes, No. 3 is Tung? Yes.
What amount ?—–82.
No. 4 is Chu Lun ?—Yes, a detective. You think he is a detective-Chu Lun, I know, is a detective.
No. 5 is Cheng Tai, 8P-Yes. He is a detective. No. 6 is Hu Hing, 8; No. 7, Tam Shing, 7; 8, Moe Chung.
He is a
Is ho a detective P-I am not sure. policeman,
What is the number written against him ?-8: What is No. 9, Leung Lai I cannot read that; 5 is the amount.
Chu Tsoi is next?
His Lordship (to Mr. Robinson)--Does not all that appear in the translation you are now reading? Why do you take Mr. May through it all P What is the object ?
Mr. Robinson-Because Mr. May has said that one end of the document consisted mainly of the names of police. Now I am pointing out that large sums were being prizi to men some of whom, he tells us, are detecti›es.
Hon. F. H. May then went into the witness box again and his cross-examination was pro-Francis, in his opening address, said that docu- His Lordship pointed ont that when Mr.
ceeded with.
Mr. Robinson-Have you spoken to Cheng ¡On since yesterday P
Witness-No.
ments showed a large amount of corruption among the officers of the Police Force Mr. Robinson objected, and now Mr. Robinson was going over to same ground.
Since the sitting of the Court yesterday P- Yes.
Mr. Robinson-I am dealing with the corrup What did you speak to him about P-Ition alleged at the present moment and how it asked him whether it was 1 or 3, Cheung Hing Street where the gambling was carried
оп.
You were speaking with reference to this
Case P-Yes.
Was any other European with you at the time ?—Yes, Mr. Dennys.
What is Acting Inspector Hall's number - 81.
In this document 91 is' written down and opposite is the figure 11?—Yes,
affects the Chinese Police Force.
His Lordship-I do not think you can go into the general question. I am not trying the whole Police Force here; I am trying the de-
fendant.
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correct or otherwise, but do not go through tho list as it stands.
Mr. Robinson-I want information of iden tity of those people.
His Lordship What is the good of that? Suppose you establish-
Mr. Robinson-I do not wish to address an argument to the Court at this stage, but I will say that it is obviously unnecessary to pay bribes to Europeans when the houses have ali the natives in their pay. They do not want to travel outside that in order to secur their enda, Witness-I can tell you how many Chinese police are on the list.
His Lordship (to Mr. Robinson)-I am only anxious for the case to be kept within reason- able limits.
Mr. Robinson (to witness)-Can you tell me how many Chinese detectives, or how many members of the Chinese force are in the book?
Witness-61.
61 are mentioned as being in the pay of the gambling houses ?—Yes.
His Lordship-61 altogether?-So far as I have been able to identify.
61 members of the Police Force ?-The Chi- nese Police Force.
Mr. Robinson-With regard to those men there are larger figures against their names than $1.10 or 81 which is put opposito No. 127- There are larger sums.
In looking throngh this translation I saw a Government firm or something like that men. tioned.-Government House,
Do you know whether that refers to His Excellency's A.D.C. or to the Secretary to His Excellency, perhaps?—No.
You do not know to whom it refurs? vernment Houso, $3.”—No it is not $3.
37-Yes.
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Does the name of any member of the Legis. lative Council appear?-No.
You might (handing a document) look at that entry. Does there not appear in that translation the name of a member of the Legis- lative Council P-It might be.
Mr. Robinson-" Ho Kai, 81.50."
His Lordship-Suppose Ho Kai has taken $1.50 P
Mr. Robinson-I do not suppose he has. His Lordship-Well, suppose he has. Can we try that issue ?
Mr. Robinson-No, my Lord.
His Lordship-Well, I must ask you-
Mr. Robinson-1 have an argument in my breast-
His Lordship-I don't care a penny whether Dr. Ho Kai took the money or not. I do not believe for a moment he did; but suppose he did. Mr. Robinson-It shows that this list cannot be depended upon.
His Lordship-We cannot try that issue. It might be Dr. Ho Kai or it might be another Ho Kai.
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Mr. Robinson then resumed his seat. His Lordship (to Witness)-Does it say Ho Kai it is P-No, my Lord, it does not.
The Attorney-General-From information you have received you know it is not Dr. Ho Kai -I know it was not Dr. Ho Kai.
His Lordship-Do not let us go into the matter any more.
In answer to further questions by the Attorney-General as to the entries "43" and New 43," witness said that there was an officer at present in the Force who used to
wear the number 43 and there was now another officer who carried the number 43.
His Lordship-What were the relations between you and the defendant ?
Were they of a friendly character or otherwise?
Witness-Very friendly.
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Since he has been an Inspector in the Force ? -Yes.
And I think you said he has been an efficient and zealous officer ?—I should say he is one of the most zealous officers in the Force.
I remember there was an important fire case in which he distinguished himself by his intelligence and zeal.—I was not here at the time, my Lord. When I left I gave instruc- tions that he should be made an Inspector. [In answering this question Mr. May appeared to be almost overcome with emotion. He His Lordship-You can put a definite ques- stopped in the middle of the sentence and tion to Mr. May to show that this list is not ' apparently had great difficulty in continuing.]
Mr. Robinson-Heroare names, some of whom the witness says are detectives, to whom large sums have been passed, and I shall found an argument on that fact.
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