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difficulties in implementing the motion. He considers that the motion is good in spirit but inadequate in substance and therefore recommends its referral to the Select Committee.

I simply do not understand why the DAB did not point out the inadequacy earlier and move amendments to the motion instead of coming up with a procedural motion all of a sudden to refer the issue to the select committee. I consider that the tactic of taking an item away by means of a procedural motion from a monthly meeting, so that it is neither discussed nor voted on and is returned to the Select Committee improper, because this practically means that all the motions under the ambit of a certain select committee can be barred from discussion at a monthly meeting by means of a procedural motion.

I consider that the rules of proceedings are literally the rules of proceedings. If one does not like the motion, one can vote against it or move amendments to it rather than, by means of a procedural motion, refer it back to the Select Committee obscurely for discussion.

Mr. Chairman, I would therefore strongly protest it.

MR. STEVEN HUNG CHUNG-FUN (in Cantonese):-Just now I heard in the common room what some DAB members said and I was totally disappointed at them. I consider that in spite of differences between the two parties in the pace of development of democracy, there should be common interests in areas concerning the livelihood of the people. I heard them say that if the motion was carried, the livelihood of the fishing community would be affected. I am very disappointed by the DAB, which tends to overlook the health of some 6m people in Hong Kong and tries, attempts and intends to defer the motion.

The Urban Council is already suffering from a very poor image. If it was as 'nutty' as the DAB is today, its image definitely would further be tarnished. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

MR. CHRISTOPHER CHUNG SHU-KUN (in Cantonese):-I think what members of the Democratic Party had said was not as logical as it sounded. They were merely pleasing the public. What good would an impracticable motion bring to society? We can recall that two years ago there was a motion on testing of seawater. Any seawater that was used to rear fish must be tested, but could we really test every bucket of seawater in the markets? We have not succeeded in doing this so far.

Whimsically they announced in front of the TV camera that a motion would be put forth on hygiene matters, but afterwards they advised that a study on the way to implement the motion would be carried out only after it was endorsed. Since a study is warranted, why don't we refer the issue to the Select Committee for detailed and effective examination to find out first the ways to solve the problems and plug the loopholes?

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Page 623 of 654 Page 623 of 654 HONG KONG PROVISIONAL URBAN COUNCIL 613 difficulties in implementing the motion. He considers that the motion is good in spirit but inadequate in substance and therefore recommends its referral to the Select Committee. I simply do not understand why the DAB did not point out the inadequacy earlier and move amendments to the motion instead of coming up with a procedural motion all of a sudden to refer the issue to the select committee. I consider that the tactic of taking an item away by means of a procedural motion from a monthly meeting, so that it is neither discussed nor voted on and is returned to the Select Committee improper, because this practically means that all the motions under the ambit of a certain select committee can be barred from discussion at a monthly meeting by means of a procedural motion. I consider that the rules of proceedings are literally the rules of proceedings. If one does not like the motion, one can vote against it or move amendments to it rather than, by means of a procedural motion, refer it back to the Select Committee obscurely for discussion. Mr. Chairman, I would therefore strongly protest it. MR. STEVEN HUNG CHUNG-FUN (in Cantonese):-Just now I heard in the common room what some DAB members said and I was totally disappointed at them. I consider that in spite of differences between the two parties in the pace of development of democracy, there should be common interests in areas concerning the livelihood of the people. I heard them say that if the motion was carried, the livelihood of the fishing community would be affected. I am very disappointed by the DAB, which tends to overlook the health of some 6m people in Hong Kong and tries, attempts and intends to defer the motion. The Urban Council is already suffering from a very poor image. If it was as 'nutty' as the DAB is today, its image definitely would further be tarnished. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. MR. CHRISTOPHER CHUNG SHU-KUN (in Cantonese):-I think what members of the Democratic Party had said was not as logical as it sounded. They were merely pleasing the public. What good would an impracticable motion bring to society? We can recall that two years ago there was a motion on testing of seawater. Any seawater that was used to rear fish must be tested, but could we really test every bucket of seawater in the markets? We have not succeeded in doing this so far. Whimsically they announced in front of the TV camera that a motion would be put forth on hygiene matters, but afterwards they advised that a study on the way to implement the motion would be carried out only after it was endorsed. Since a study is warranted, why don't we refer the issue to the Select Committee for detailed and effective examination to find out first the ways to solve the problems and plug the loopholes? Page 623 of 654 Page 623 of 654
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difficulties in implementing the motion. He considers that the motion is good in spirit but inadequate in substance and therefore recommends its referral to the Select Committee.

I simply do not understand why the DAB did not point out the inadequacy earlier and move amendments to the motion instead of coming up with a procedural motion all of a sudden to refer the issue to the select committee. I consider that the tactic of taking an item away by means of a procedural motion from a monthly meeting, so that it is neither discussed nor voted on and is returned to the Select Committee improper, because this practically means that all the motions under the ambit of a certain select committee can be barred from discussion at a monthly meeting by means of a procedural

motion.

I consider that the rules of proceedings are literally the rules of proceedings. If one does not like the motion, one can vote against it or move amendments to it rather than, by means of a procedural motion, refer it back to the Select Committee obscurely for discussion.

Mr. Chairman, I would therefore strongly protest it.

MR. STEVEN HUNG CHUNG-FUN (in Cantonese):-Just now I heard in the common room what some DAB members said and I was totally disappointed at them. I consider that in spite of differences between the two parties in the pace of development of democracy, there should be common interests in areas concerning the livelihood of the people. I heard them say that if the motion was carried, the livelihood of the fishing community would be affected. I am very disappointed by the DAB, which tends to overlook the health of some 6m people in Hong Kong and tries, attempts and intends to defer the motion.

The Urban Council is already suffering from a very poor image. If it was as 'nutty' as the DAB is today, its image definitely would further be tarnished. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

MR. CHRISTopher Chung SHU-KUN (in Cantonese):-I think what members of the Democratic Party had said was not as logical as it sounded. They were merely pleasing the public. What good would an impracticable motion bring to society? We can recall that two years ago there was a motion on testing of seawater. Any seawater that was used to rear fish must be tested, but could we really test every bucket of seawater in the markets? We have not succeeded in doing this so far.

Whimsically they announced in front of the TV camera that a motion would be put forth on hygiene matters, but afterwards they advised that a study on the way to implement the motion would be carried out only after it was endorsed. Since a study is warranted, why don't we refer the issue to the Select Committee for detailed and effective examination to find out first the ways to solve the problems and plug the loopholes?

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