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wording, he should follow the Standing Orders and move an amendment within the given time frame. He should not just ask for the motion to be referred back to the relevant Select Committee during the motion debate because he does not agree with the wording, although he does not hold different views on the handling methods. His way is improper. We must bear in mind that there is a purpose for drawing up Standing Orders. One should know that he can move an amendment if he does not agree with the wording of a motion. If we consider that a case should not be dealt with as a motion, then we can refer it to the relevant Select Committee for action. We agree with this handling method. We cannot propose a makeshift arrangement for a motion to be discussed at another forum because we do not agree with it. That is not our way to handle matters.

Take today's case, if Mr. CHUNG finds anything wrong with the motion, he can abstain or vote against it. That would be the correct way to handle the matter. He should not ask that the motion be referred back to the relevant Select Committee because he was not in time to move an amendment over the wording. There is no justification for his action. I have not been told why it is better to discuss this motion at the relevant Select Committee than to do so here. So, as a matter of procedure, I do not think we should support his motion. I see no justification at all to defer the motion for discussion at the relevant Select Committee. Procedurally, it is wrong. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

CHAIRMAN (in Cantonese): In fact, after the original mover has exercised his right of reply, no other Member should speak on the motion. Since Mr. Lai has spoken, I will invite Mr. CHUNG to speak. After that, the original mover can exercise his right of reply. We can then put the motion to vote.

MR. CHRISTOPHER CHUNG SHU-KUN (in Cantonese): I would like to respond to Mr. Lai again. In response to Mr. Kam's remarks just now, I said I was away on a trip. Upon my return on Tuesday, I discovered the problem with the motion. I did talk to Mr. Stanley NG about it, but I was not in time to move an amendment. The spirit of the original motion is commendable, but the wording baffles us. It is hard to see how we can move a motion for the authorities to study something that is being enforced. It is hard to accept. As the spirit of the original motion is commendable, by referring it back to the relevant Select Committee, we will be able to carry it through. I hope Members will support my motion to refer the matter to the relevant Select Committee. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

CHAIRMAN (in Cantonese): Will the original mover exercise his right of reply? No. The matter has been adequately discussed and normal procedures in accordance with Standing Orders are in progress. Let us now put this to vote. I mean vote on the motion by Mr. CHUNG, i.e., to close the debate, defer the motion and refer it to the relevant Select Committee in accordance with

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Page 27 of 654 HONG KONG URBAN COUNCIL 27 wording, he should follow the Standing Orders and move an amendment within the given time frame. He should not just ask for the motion to be referred back to the relevant Select Committee during the motion debate because he does not agree with the wording, although he does not hold different views on the handling methods. His way is improper. We must bear in mind that there is a purpose for drawing up Standing Orders. One should know that he can move an amendment if he does not agree with the wording of a motion. If we consider that a case should not be dealt with as a motion, then we can refer it to the relevant Select Committee for action. We agree with this handling method. We cannot propose a makeshift arrangement for a motion to be discussed at another forum because we do not agree with it. That is not our way to handle matters. Take today's case, if Mr. CHUNG finds anything wrong with the motion, he can abstain or vote against it. That would be the correct way to handle the matter. He should not ask that the motion be referred back to the relevant Select Committee because he was not in time to move an amendment over the wording. There is no justification for his action. I have not been told why it is better to discuss this motion at the relevant Select Committee than to do so here. So, as a matter of procedure, I do not think we should support his motion. I see no justification at all to defer the motion for discussion at the relevant Select Committee. Procedurally, it is wrong. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. CHAIRMAN (in Cantonese): In fact, after the original mover has exercised his right of reply, no other Member should speak on the motion. Since Mr. Lai has spoken, I will invite Mr. CHUNG to speak. After that, the original mover can exercise his right of reply. We can then put the motion to vote. MR. CHRISTOPHER CHUNG SHU-KUN (in Cantonese): I would like to respond to Mr. Lai again. In response to Mr. Kam's remarks just now, I said I was away on a trip. Upon my return on Tuesday, I discovered the problem with the motion. I did talk to Mr. Stanley NG about it, but I was not in time to move an amendment. The spirit of the original motion is commendable, but the wording baffles us. It is hard to see how we can move a motion for the authorities to study something that is being enforced. It is hard to accept. As the spirit of the original motion is commendable, by referring it back to the relevant Select Committee, we will be able to carry it through. I hope Members will support my motion to refer the matter to the relevant Select Committee. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. CHAIRMAN (in Cantonese): Will the original mover exercise his right of reply? No. The matter has been adequately discussed and normal procedures in accordance with Standing Orders are in progress. Let us now put this to vote. I mean vote on the motion by Mr. CHUNG, i.e., to close the debate, defer the motion and refer it to the relevant Select Committee in accordance with Page Page 27 of 654

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Page 27 of 654 HONG KONG URBAN COUNCIL 27 wording, he should follow the Standing Orders and move an amendment within the given time frame. He should not just ask for the motion to be referred back to the relevant Select Committee during the motion debate because he does not agree with the wording, although he does not hold different views on the handling methods. His way is improper. We must bear in rmind that there is a purpose for drawing up Standing Orders. One should know that he can move an amendment if he does not agree with the wording of a motion. If we consider that a case should not be dealt with as a motion, then wwe can refer it to the relevant Select Committee for action. We agree with this thandling method. We cannot propose a makeshift arrangement for a motion to be discussed at another forum because we do not agree with it. That is not our way to handle matters. Take today's case, if Mr. CHUNG finds anything wrong with the motion, he ican abstain or vote against it. That would be the correct way to handle the Imatter. He should not ask that the motion be referred back to the relevant !Select Committee because he was not in time to move an amendment over the wording. There is no justification for his action. I have not been told why it is better to discuss this motion at the relevant Select Committee than to do so here. So, as a matter of procedure, I do not think we should support his motion. I see no justification at all to defer the motion for discussion at the relevant Select Committee. Procedurally, it is wrong. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. CHAIRMAN (in Cantonese):-In fact, after the original mover has exercised his right of reply, no other Member should speak on the motion. Since Mr. Lai has spoken, I will invite Mr. CHUNG to speak. After that, the original mover can exercise his right of reply. We can then put the motion to vote. MR. CHRISTOPHER CHUNG SHU-KUN (in Cantonese):-I would like to respond to Mr. Lai again. In response to Mr. Kam's remarks just now, I said I was away on a trip. Upon my return on Tuesday, I discovered the problem with the motion. I did talk to Mr. Stanley NG about it, but I was not in time to move an amendment. The spirit of the original motion is commendable, but the wording baffles us. It is hard to see how we can move a motion for the authorities to study something that is being enforced. It is hard to accept. As the spirit of the original motion is commendable, by referring it back to the relevant Select Committee, we will be able to carry it through. I hope Members will support my motion to refer the matter to the relevant Select Committee. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. CHAIRMAN (in Cantonese):-Will the original mover exercise his right of reply? No. The matter has been adequately discussed and normal procedures in accordance with Standing Orders are in progress. Let us now put this to vote. I mean vote on the motion by Mr. CHUNG, i.e., to close the debate, defer the motion and refer it to the relevant Select Committee in accordance with Page Page 27 of 654

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wording, he should follow the Standing Orders and move an amendment within the given time frame. He should not just ask for the motion to be referred back to the relevant Select Committee during the motion debate because he does not agree with the wording, although he does not hold different views on the handling methods. His way is improper. We must bear in rmind that there is a purpose for drawing up Standing Orders. One should know that he can move an amendment if he does not agree with the wording of a motion. If we consider that a case should not be dealt with as a motion, then wwe can refer it to the relevant Select Committee for action. We agree with this thandling method. We cannot propose a makeshift arrangement for a motion to be discussed at another forum because we do not agree with it. That is not our way to handle matters.

Take today's case, if Mr. CHUNG finds anything wrong with the motion, he ican abstain or vote against it. That would be the correct way to handle the Imatter. He should not ask that the motion be referred back to the relevant !Select Committee because he was not in time to move an amendment over the wording. There is no justification for his action. I have not been told why it is better to discuss this motion at the relevant Select Committee than to do so here. So, as a matter of procedure, I do not think we should support his motion. I see no justification at all to defer the motion for discussion at the relevant Select Committee. Procedurally, it is wrong. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

CHAIRMAN (in Cantonese):-In fact, after the original mover has exercised his right of reply, no other Member should speak on the motion. Since Mr. Lai has spoken, I will invite Mr. CHUNG to speak. After that, the original mover can exercise his right of reply. We can then put the motion to vote.

MR. CHRISTOPHER CHUNG SHU-KUN (in Cantonese):-I would like to respond to Mr. Lai again. In response to Mr. Kam's remarks just now, I said I was away on a trip. Upon my return on Tuesday, I discovered the problem with the motion. I did talk to Mr. Stanley NG about it, but I was not in time to move an amendment. The spirit of the original motion is commendable, but the wording baffles us. It is hard to see how we can move a motion for the authorities to study something that is being enforced. It is hard to accept. As the spirit of the original motion is commendable, by referring it back to the relevant Select Committee, we will be able to carry it through. I hope Members will support my motion to refer the matter to the relevant Select Committee. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

CHAIRMAN (in Cantonese):-Will the original mover exercise his right of reply? No. The matter has been adequately discussed and normal procedures in accordance with Standing Orders are in progress. Let us now put this to vote. I mean vote on the motion by Mr. CHUNG, i.e., to close the debate, defer the motion and refer it to the relevant Select Committee in accordance with

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