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The second question refers to part (c) of the reply document in which the Department has drawn the conclusion that there is no deterioration of indiscriminate littering in West Kowloon. They base on the drop in prosecution figures to establish that there is no deterioration. I would ask the Chairman of the Select Committee if he would discuss again with the Department. Does it stand to make prosecution figures the yardstick for improvement or decline? If not, I hope that in the report to the Select Committee, a more detailed analysis and an explanation would be given on the conclusion that there is no decline in the littering situation.

MR. JOSEPH CHAN Yuek-sut (in Cantonese):—Mr. Chairman, we can propose for inter-departmental discussions. As to whether we should be the party to take the initiative, I leave it to the Department to ponder and make contacts. The idea is to make overall improvements.

The second question concerns prosecution figures. Of course, these figures alone cannot establish decline or improvement. Do we really see a lot of citizens littering? If Members receive more complaints or the present situation deteriorates, we will surely step up enforcement actions.

Starting from this month (September), we are stepping up publicity. We have printed some posters and leaflets. In October, we expect to step up prosecution actions. Whilst we carry out publicity work more actively, I must say that our prosecution actions will not be solely against littering, but also against spitting or dog fouling.

MR. JOSEPH LAI CHI-KEONG (in Cantonese):-In part (a) of the reply document, the problem was lightly touched on by 'there is no evidence that the problem was caused by the large amount of refuse'. It was also alleged that 'the drainage system might be unable to cope with actual need' and 'because of other complicated factors'. Indeed, there are many complicated factors. To put it in another way, the question has not been answered in the reply. As some colleagues have mentioned, the refuse includes plastic bags, occasionally leaves, waste paper, construction waste etc. Is there an analysis into the refuse content? The Department should make an analysis. Going on to drainage system, my colleagues just pointed out the need for an inter-departmental working group to deal with problems arising from the adequacy of urban planning and reclamation. There is uncertainty in referring to the many complicated factors. I am sure the reply does not satisfy us.

The problem we are now discussing is relatively simple because it is seasonal, falling in the rainy season only. Similar cases occurred in past years. In other words, we have not made good preparation before the start of the rainy season by stepping up street cleaning and clearing away rubbish on our roads and near drain inlets. If we only try to rectify the situation afterwards, we are not addressing the root of the problem in time. Shouldn't we join with the Drainage Services Department on a sort of tacit agreement to get prepared before the arrival of the

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Page 237 of 654 57 of 654 Page 237 of 654 236 HONG KONG PROVISIONAL URBAN COUNCIL The second question refers to part (c) of the reply document in which the Department has drawn the conclusion that there is no deterioration of indiscriminate littering in West Kowloon. They base on the drop in prosecution figures to establish that there is no deterioration. I would ask the Chairman of the Select Committee if he would discuss again with the Department. Does it stand to make prosecution figures the yardstick for improvement or decline? If not, I hope that in the report to the Select Committee, a more detailed analysis and an explanation would be given on the conclusion that there is no decline in the littering situation. MR. JOSEPH CHAN Yuek-sut (in Cantonese):—Mr. Chairman, we can propose for inter-departmental discussions. As to whether we should be the party to take the initiative, I leave it to the Department to ponder and make contacts. The idea is to make overall improvements. The second question concerns prosecution figures. Of course, these figures alone cannot establish decline or improvement. Do we really see a lot of citizens littering? If Members receive more complaints or the present situation deteriorates, we will surely step up enforcement actions. Starting from this month (September), we are stepping up publicity. We have printed some posters and leaflets. In October, we expect to step up prosecution actions. Whilst we carry out publicity work more actively, I must say that our prosecution actions will not be solely against littering, but also against spitting or dog fouling. MR. JOSEPH LAI CHI-KEONG (in Cantonese):-In part (a) of the reply document, the problem was lightly touched on by 'there is no evidence that the problem was caused by the large amount of refuse'. It was also alleged that 'the drainage system might be unable to cope with actual need' and 'because of other complicated factors'. Indeed, there are many complicated factors. To put it in another way, the question has not been answered in the reply. As some colleagues have mentioned, the refuse includes plastic bags, occasionally leaves, waste paper, construction waste etc. Is there an analysis into the refuse content? The Department should make an analysis. Going on to drainage system, my colleagues just pointed out the need for an inter-departmental working group to deal with problems arising from the adequacy of urban planning and reclamation. There is uncertainty in referring to the many complicated factors. I am sure the reply does not satisfy us. The problem we are now discussing is relatively simple because it is seasonal, falling in the rainy season only. Similar cases occurred in past years. In other words, we have not made good preparation before the start of the rainy season by stepping up street cleaning and clearing away rubbish on our roads and near drain inlets. If we only try to rectify the situation afterwards, we are not addressing the root of the problem in time. Shouldn't we join with the Drainage Services Department on a sort of tacit agreement to get prepared before the arrival of the

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The second question refers to part (c) of the reply document in which the Department has drawn the conclusion that there is no deterioration of indiscriminate littering in West Kowloon. They base on the drop in prosecution figures to establish that there is no deterioration. I would ask the Chairman of the Select Committee if he would discuss again with the Department. Does it stand to make prosecution figures the yardstick for improvement or decline? If not, I hope that in the report to the Select Committee, a more detailed analysis and on explanation would be given on the conclusion that there is no decline in the littering situation.

MR. JOSEPH CHan Yuek-sut (in Cantonese):—Mr. Chairman, we can propose for inter-departmental discussions. As to whether we should be the party to take the initiative, I leave it to the Department to ponder and make contacts. The idea is to make overall improvements.

The second question concerns prosecution figures. Of course, these figures alone cannot establishment decline or improvement. Do we really see a lot of citizens littering? If Members receive more complaints or the present situation deteriorates, we will surely step up enforcement actions.

MR. JOSEPH LAI CHI-KEONG (in Cantonese):-In part (a) of the reply document, the problem was lightly touched on by there is no evidence that the problem was caused by the large amount of refuse'. It was also alleged that 'the drainage system might be unable to cope with actual need' and 'because of other complicated factors. Indeed, there are many complicated factors. To put it in another way, the question has not been answered in the reply. As some colleagues have mentioned, the refuse includes plastic bags, occasionally leaves, waste paper, construction waste etc. Is there an analysis into the refuse content? The Department should make an analysis. Going on to drainage system, my colleagues just pointed out the need for a inter-departmental working group to deal with problems arising from the adequacy of urban planning and reclamation. There is uncertainty in referring to the many complicated factors. I am sure the reply does not satisfy us.

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