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conditions. Both situations intended to let the Director of Urban Services have the power to close. In points (a) to (h) of paragraph 12 of a paper (PH29/97) submitted on 24 June, the Department made it clear that it would be difficult for them to handle if both situations were lumped together. In particular, it was mentioned that non-compliance of hygiene conditions would be hard to define. However, under the relevant legislation of the Public Health Ordinance, no such power is conferred. So, my motion today asks clearly to deal with unlicensed operations, not those licensed operations that do not comply with hygiene conditions. It is different from the one moved at the extraordinary meeting of the Select Committee in May. As such, I do not think there is any repetition as suggested by Mr. Lai. Mr. Chairman, please understand my explanation clearly. I have explained on Mr. Lai's points of worry and it fulfils the requirement of the Standing Order.

The motion before us now pinpoints unlicensed food premises or operations. There is only one direction and it is clearly different from that of the motion in May. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

CHAIRMAN (in Cantonese): I now put the motion to the vote in accordance with Section 18(2) of the Standing Orders. Once we do this, the debate must stop. I have given chances for the mover, seconder and the Chairman of the Public Health Select Committee to speak. Let us now vote on whether the debate should be stopped.

I say this in simple words again that this is not a motion debate, but a debate on Section 18(2) of the Standing Orders.

Mr. Lai Hok-lim (in Cantonese): When I moved the motion, you did not ask if anyone would second the motion.

CHAIRMAN (in Cantonese): Is there a rule on this?

Mr. Lai Hok-lim (in Cantonese): There is. A motion has to be seconded. You haven't asked the question yet.

CHAIRMAN (in Cantonese): Yes. Is there anyone to second Mr. Lai's procedural motion?

MR. LEE KWOK-KEUNG (in Cantonese): Mr. Chairman, I second the procedural motion.

CHAIRMAN (in Cantonese): All right, back to Section 18(1) now. Mr. Christopher Chung, you are the seconder. Please speak.

MR. CHRISTOPHER CHUNG SHU-KUN (in Cantonese): The situation mentioned by Mr. Lai differs from the motion in essence. The motion asks for amending legislation and giving authority to the Director of Urban Services

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054 ! 186 HONG KONG PROVISIONAL URBAN COUNCIL conditions. Both situations intended to let the Director of Urban Services have the power to close. In points (a) to (h) of paragraph 12 of a paper (PH29/97) submitted on 24 June, the Department made it clear that it would be difficult for them to handle if both situations were lumped together. In particular, it was mentioned that non-compliance of hygiene conditions would be hard to define. However, under the relevant legislation of the Public Health Ordinance, no such power is conferred. So, my motion today asks clearly to deal with unlicensed operations, not those licensed operations that do not comply with hygiene conditions. It is different from the one moved at the extraordinary meeting of the Select Committee in May. As such, I do not think there is any repetition as suggested by Mr. Lai. Mr. Chairman, please understand my explanation clearly. I have explained on Mr. Lai's points of worry and it fulfils the requirement of the Standing Order. The motion before us now pinpoints unlicensed food premises or operations. There is only one direction and it is clearly different from that of the motion in May. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. CHAIRMAN (in Cantonese): I now put the motion to the vote in accordance with Section 18(2) of the Standing Orders. Once we do this, the debate must stop. I have given chances for the mover, seconder and the Chairman of the Public Health Select Committee to speak. Let us now vote on whether the debate should be stopped. I say this in simple words again that this is not a motion debate, but a debate on Section 18(2) of the Standing Orders. Mr. Lai Hok-lim (in Cantonese): When I moved the motion, you did not ask if anyone would second the motion. CHAIRMAN (in Cantonese): Is there a rule on this? Mr. Lai Hok-lim (in Cantonese): There is. A motion has to be seconded. You haven't asked the question yet. CHAIRMAN (in Cantonese): Yes. Is there anyone to second Mr. Lai's procedural motion? MR. LEE KWOK-KEUNG (in Cantonese): Mr. Chairman, I second the procedural motion. CHAIRMAN (in Cantonese): All right, back to Section 18(1) now. Mr. Christopher Chung, you are the seconder. Please speak. MR. CHRISTOPHER CHUNG SHU-KUN (in Cantonese): The situation mentioned by Mr. Lai differs from the motion in essence. The motion asks for amending legislation and giving authority to the Director of Urban Services Page 185 of 654 Page 185 of 651 Page 185 Page 186 Page 186 of 654
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054 ! 186 HONG KONG PROVISIONAL URBAN COUNCIL conditions. Both situations intended to let the Director of Urban Services & have the power to close. In points (a) to (h) of paragraph 12 of a paper (PH 29/97) submitted on 24 June, the Department made it clear that it would b difficult for them to handle if both situations were lumped together. It particular, it was mentioned that non compliance of hygiene conditions woul be hard to define. However, under the relevant legislation of the Public Health Ordinance, no such power is conferred. So, my motion today asks clearly to deal with unlicensed operations, not those licensed operations that do no comply with hygiene conditions. It is different from the one moved at the extraordinary meeting of the Select Committee in May. A such, I do not think there is any repetition as suggested by Mr. Lat. Mr. Chairman, pleas understand my explanation clearly. I have explained on Mr. Lai's points d worry and it fullfils the requirement of the Standing Order. The motion before us now pinpoints unlicensed food premises or operations There is only one direction and it is clearly different from that of the motion in May. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. CHAIRMAN (in Cantonese):-I now put the motion to the vote in accordance with Section 18(2) of the Standing Orders. Once we do this, the debate musi stop. I have given chances for the mover, seconder and the Chairman of the Public Health Select Committee to speak. Let us now vote on whether the debate should be stopped. I say this in simple words again that this is not a motion debate, but a debate on Section 18(2) of the Standing Orders. Mr. Lai Hok-lIM (in Cantonese):—When I moved the motion, you did not ask if anyone would second the motion. CHAIRMAN (in Cantonese):-Is there a rule on this? Mr. Lai Hok-LIM (in Cantonese):-There is. A motion has to be seconded You haven't asked the question yet. CHAIRMAN (in Cantonese):-Yes. Is there anyone to second Mr. LAI's procedural motion? MR. LEE KWOK-KEUNG (in Cantonese):-Mr. Chairman, I second the procedural motion. CHAIRMAN (in Cantonese):-All right, back to Section 18(1) now. Mr. Christopher CHUNG, you are the seconder. Please speak. MR. CHRISTOPHER CHUNG SHU-KUN (in Cantonese):-The situation mentioned by Mr. LAI differs from the motion in essence. The motion asks for amending legislation and giving authority to the Director of Urban Services Page 185 of 654 Page 185 of 651 Page 185Page 186 Page 186 of 654
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conditions. Both situations intended to let the Director of Urban Services & have the power to close. In points (a) to (h) of paragraph 12 of a paper (PH 29/97) submitted on 24 June, the Department made it clear that it would b difficult for them to handle if both situations were lumped together. It particular, it was mentioned that non compliance of hygiene conditions woul be hard to define. However, under the relevant legislation of the Public Health Ordinance, no such power is conferred. So, my motion today asks clearly to deal with unlicensed operations, not those licensed operations that do no comply with hygiene conditions. It is different from the one moved at the extraordinary meeting of the Select Committee in May. A such, I do not think there is any repetition as suggested by Mr. Lat. Mr. Chairman, pleas understand my explanation clearly. I have explained on Mr. Lai's points d worry and it fullfils the requirement of the Standing Order.

The motion before us now pinpoints unlicensed food premises or operations There is only one direction and it is clearly different from that of the motion in May. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

CHAIRMAN (in Cantonese):-I now put the motion to the vote in accordance with Section 18(2) of the Standing Orders. Once we do this, the debate musi stop. I have given chances for the mover, seconder and the Chairman of the Public Health Select Committee to speak. Let us now vote on whether the debate should be stopped.

I say this in simple words again that this is not a motion debate, but a debate on Section 18(2) of the Standing Orders.

Mr. Lai Hok-lIM (in Cantonese):—When I moved the motion, you did not ask if anyone would second the motion.

CHAIRMAN (in Cantonese):-Is there a rule on this?

Mr. Lai Hok-LIM (in Cantonese):-There is. A motion has to be seconded You haven't asked the question yet.

CHAIRMAN (in Cantonese):-Yes. Is there anyone to second Mr. LAI's procedural motion?

MR. LEE KWOK-KEUNG (in Cantonese):-Mr. Chairman, I second the procedural motion.

CHAIRMAN (in Cantonese):-All right, back to Section 18(1) now. Mr. Christopher CHUNG, you are the seconder. Please speak.

MR. CHRISTOPHER CHUNG SHU-KUN (in Cantonese):-The situation mentioned by Mr. LAI differs from the motion in essence. The motion asks for amending legislation and giving authority to the Director of Urban Services

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