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MR. CHRISTOPHER CHUNG SHU-KUN (in Cantonese):—Mr. Chairman, let us not drag on any longer. 45 minutes will soon be up. I mean if any attendance cannot be counted as presence now, the relevant vote cannot be counted. Let us get on with the voting procedure.

CHAIRMAN (in Cantonese):—Mr. Fred Li Wah-ming, please. As we are now discussing your case, I hope Mr. Eric Wong Chung-ki refrain from speaking for the time being. As there is a conflict of interest, I hope you will let other Members speak first.

MR. STANLEY NG WING-FAT (in Cantonese):—It is his right to speak.

Chairman (in Cantonese):—All right. Mr. Eric Wong Chung-ki.

Mr. Eric Wong Chung-ki (in Cantonese):—I did not plan to attend today's meeting because some things of the district were to be attended to. However, anticipating a heated debate, I have come here to see the results after getting caught in traffic congestion for an hour. I have my own interpretation of this. I do not insist on voting, but the way I understand it, a Member attending a certain part of a meeting is entitled to vote.

MR. FRED LI WAH-MING (in Cantonese):—Mr. Chairman, we have to deal with the hypothetical situation given by Mr. LEE Kwok-keung. That is to say, the case of someone leaving after casting a vote 5 minutes into a meeting and the meeting lasts for 3 hours. He did not attend the meeting for long enough, but he voted and his vote was counted at the time. Are you saying that we can decide whether his vote can be counted after the meeting has ended? Can we then discard his vote? It is not possible, his vote has already been counted.

Mr. Chairman, let me ask what is meant by ‘attendance'. I take my seat and then go out to make a telephone call at the City Hall or somewhere else and then return an hour later. By that time, the meeting has run on for one and a half hours. Then I cast a vote. Will I be allowed to vote? Does attendance mean sitting in my seat for 45 minutes or two-thirds of the meeting time? Can I leave my things in the chambers, leave, come back and cast a vote? I think there are a lot of doubts. I don't think we should stop a Member from voting. It is his right.

Chairman (in Cantonese):—All right. For the benefit of doubt, I do not intend to exercise my power in accordance with Standing Orders. I think everyone should be allowed to vote. It seems to me that if we get strict, we have to settle points of doubt in many areas. There are loopholes in the Standing Orders and the interpretations are not very clear cut. I do not intend to exercise my power at this stage. I do not want to draw in the personal factor. So, everyone can vote.

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Page 163 HONG KONG URBAN COUNCIL MR. CHRISTOPHER CHUNG SHU-KUN (in Cantonese):—Mr. Chairman, let us not drag on any longer. 45 minutes will soon be up. I mean if any attendance cannot be counted as presence now, the relevant vote cannot be counted. Let us get on with the voting procedure. CHAIRMAN (in Cantonese):—Mr. Fred Li Wah-ming, please. As we are now discussing your case, I hope Mr. Eric Wong Chung-ki refrain from speaking for the time being. As there is a conflict of interest, I hope you will let other Members speak first. MR. STANLEY NG WING-FAT (in Cantonese):—It is his right to speak. Chairman (in Cantonese):—All right. Mr. Eric Wong Chung-ki. Mr. Eric Wong Chung-ki (in Cantonese):—I did not plan to attend today's meeting because some things of the district were to be attended to. However, anticipating a heated debate, I have come here to see the results after getting caught in traffic congestion for an hour. I have my own interpretation of this. I do not insist on voting, but the way I understand it, a Member attending a certain part of a meeting is entitled to vote. MR. FRED LI WAH-MING (in Cantonese):—Mr. Chairman, we have to deal with the hypothetical situation given by Mr. LEE Kwok-keung. That is to say, the case of someone leaving after casting a vote 5 minutes into a meeting and the meeting lasts for 3 hours. He did not attend the meeting for long enough, but he voted and his vote was counted at the time. Are you saying that we can decide whether his vote can be counted after the meeting has ended? Can we then discard his vote? It is not possible, his vote has already been counted. Mr. Chairman, let me ask what is meant by ‘attendance'. I take my seat and then go out to make a telephone call at the City Hall or somewhere else and then return an hour later. By that time, the meeting has run on for one and a half hours. Then I cast a vote. Will I be allowed to vote? Does attendance mean sitting in my seat for 45 minutes or two-thirds of the meeting time? Can I leave my things in the chambers, leave, come back and cast a vote? I think there are a lot of doubts. I don't think we should stop a Member from voting. It is his right. Chairman (in Cantonese):—All right. For the benefit of doubt, I do not intend to exercise my power in accordance with Standing Orders. I think everyone should be allowed to vote. It seems to me that if we get strict, we have to settle points of doubt in many areas. There are loopholes in the Standing Orders and the interpretations are not very clear cut. I do not intend to exercise my power at this stage. I do not want to draw in the personal factor. So, everyone can vote. Page 160 of 654 Page 160 of 654 Page 160 Page 161

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Page HONG KONG URBAN COUNCIL 163 MR. CHRISTOPher Chung ShU-KUN (in Cantonese):-Mr. Chairman, let us nol drag on any longer. 45 minutes will soon be up. I mean if any attendance cannot be counted as presence now, the relevant vote cannot be counted. Let us get on with the voting procedure. CHAIRMAN (in Cantonese):—Mr. Fred Li Wah-ming, please. As we are now discussing your case, I hope Mr. Eric Wong Chung-ki refrain from speaking for the time being. As there is a conflict of interest, I hope you will let other Members speak first. MR. STANLEY NG Wing-Fat (in Cantonese):—It is his right to speak. Chairman (in Cantonese):—All right. Mr. Eric Wong Chung-ki. Mr. Eric Wong Chung-ki (in Cantonese);—I did not plan to attend today's meeting because some things of the district were to be attended to. However, anticipating a heated debate, I have come here to see the results after getting caught in traffic congestion for an hour. I have my own interpretation of this. I do not insist in voting, but the way I understand it, a Member attending a certain part of a meeting is entitled to vote. MR. FRED LI Wah-ming (in Cantonese):-Mr. Chairman, we have to deal with the hypothetical situation given by Mr. LEE Kwok-keung. That is to say, the case of someone leaving after casting a vote 5 minutes into a meeting and the meeting lasts for 3 hours. He did not attend the meeting for long enough, but he voted and his vote was counted at the time. Are you saying that we can decide whether his vote can be counted after the meeting has ended? Can we then discard his vote? It is not possible, his vote has already been counted. Mr. Chairman, let me ask what is meant by ‘attendance'. I take my seat and then go out to make a telephone call at the City Hall or somewhere else and then return an hour later. By that time, the meeting has run on for one and a half hours. Then I cast a vote. Will I be allowed to vote? Does attendance mean sitting in my seat for 45 minutes or two-thirds of the meeting time? Can I leave my things in the chambers, leave, come back and cast vote? I think there are a lot of doubts. I don't think we should stop a Member from voting. It is his right. Chairman (in Cantonese):-All right. For the benefit of doubt, I do not intend to exercise my power in accordance with Standing Orders. I think everyone should be allowed to vote. It seems to me that if we get strict, we have to settle points of doubt in many areas. There are loopholes in the Standing Orders and the interpretations are not very clear cut. I do not intend to exercise my power at this stage. I do not want to draw in the personal factor. So, everyone can vote. Page 160 of 654 Page 160 of 654 Page 160Page 161

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MR. CHRISTOPher Chung ShU-KUN (in Cantonese):-Mr. Chairman, let us nol drag on any longer. 45 minutes will soon be up. I mean if any attendance cannot be counted as presence now, the relevant vote cannot be counted. Let us get on with the voting procedure.

MR. STANLEY NG Wing-Fat (in Cantonese):—It is his right to speak.

Chairman (in Cantonese):—All right. Mr. Eric Wong Chung-ki.

Mr. Eric Wong Chung-ki (in Cantonese);—I did not plan to attend today's meeting because some things of the district were to be attended to. However, anticipating a heated debate, I have come here to see the results after getting caught in traffic congestion for an hour. I have my own interpretation of this. I do not insist in voting, but the way I understand it, a Member attending a certain part of a meeting is entitled to vote.

MR. FRED LI Wah-ming (in Cantonese):-Mr. Chairman, we have to deal with the hypothetical situation given by Mr. LEE Kwok-keung. That is to say, the case of someone leaving after casting a vote 5 minutes into a meeting and the meeting lasts for 3 hours. He did not attend the meeting for long enough, but he voted and his vote was counted at the time. Are you saying that we can decide whether his vote can be counted after the meeting has ended? Can we then discard his vote? It is not possible, his vote has already been counted.

Mr. Chairman, let me ask what is meant by ‘attendance'. I take my seat and then go out to make a telephone call at the City Hall or somewhere else and then return an hour later. By that time, the meeting has run on for one and a half hours. Then I cast a vote. Will I be allowed to vote? Does attendance mean sitting in my seat for 45 minutes or two-thirds of the meeting time? Can I leave my things in the chambers, leave, come back and cast vote? I think there are a lot of doubts. I don't think we should stop a Member from voting. It is his right.

Chairman (in Cantonese):-All right. For the benefit of doubt, I do not intend to exercise my power in accordance with Standing Orders. I think everyone should be allowed to vote. It seems to me that if we get strict, we have to settle points of doubt in many areas. There are loopholes in the Standing Orders and the interpretations are not very clear cut. I do not intend to exercise my power at this stage. I do not want to draw in the personal factor. So, everyone can vote.

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