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As regards the function of venues and the policies, each and every venue under the management of the Urban Council has its specific function and use. A special set of terms and conditions to match the policy of hire is also laid out so as to fully and effectively utilize the unique function and resources of each venue. Take the Cultural Centre for example. Say we receive two applications at the same time, one for a cultural programme and another for a boxing show or competition. If we do not know or understand beforehand the nature and format of the activity, how can we give priority to the more suitable activity? We may make the wrong decision. Say a venue is booked for a film show, we will have to find out if the intended film has passed through TELA and its category.

May I ask if Ms. Ada WONG has included the above factors for consideration in moving her motion? If some sort of system is not in place, we may become without barrier and totally free. I think Mr. PAO's amended motion has incorporated the meaning of Ms. WONG's original motion. I therefore support the amended motion moved by Mr. PAO Ping-wing. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

MR. LAI HOK-LIM (in Cantonese): Mr. Chairman, I oppose the amended motion and support the original motion. My first point, as I just said and the Chairman has just ruled, is that on procedural matters, the amended motion is a fresh motion. It should not be moved as an amended motion.

Mr. WEN Choy-bon just mentioned that those not in support could just as well be in favour of a censorship system. I cannot agree. It is clear that Mr. PAO's motion is an 'all true' one. By 'all true', I mean it has been laid down in the terms and conditions of hire that hirers should comply with our stipulations as well as the laws of Hong Kong. With this as the background, it is just as saying that a human being is one kind of animal. Human beings are actually a species of the animal kingdom. It does not amount to anything if we discuss this. It will not increase our knowledge and it does not signify that a certain motion is wrong. Up to this moment, I still feel that the motion is an 'all true' one, a real motion. However, this does not help us to know about the censorship system and it is of no help to the censorship system.

I oppose it because of the above reason, not because we will not comply with the laws of Hong Kong. If the Chairman too feels that the motion can be discussed, I will move a motion at the next meeting for Members to comply with the Municipal Services Ordinance for discussion. If this happens, it will be of no use. It is natural that UC activities should comply with the Municipal Services Ordinance. What is the use of discussing it? If we discuss such matters, we would be going round and round on a point of format. I therefore oppose the amended motion. I am not opposing the content of the amended motion in respect of complying with stipulations. I am merely saying that it is inevitable that hirers comply with the terms and conditions of hire.

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Page 460 of 498 Page 460 of 498 504 HONG KONG URBAN COUNCIL As regards the function of venues and the policies, each and every venue under the management of the Urban Council has its specific function and use. A special set of terms and conditions to match the policy of hire is also laid out so as to fully and effectively utilize the unique function and resources of each venue. Take the Cultural Centre for example. Say we receive two applications at the same time, one for a cultural programme and another for a boxing show or competition. If we do not know or understand beforehand the nature and format of the activity, how can we give priority to the more suitable activity? We may make the wrong decision. Say a venue is booked for a film show, we will have to find out if the intended film has passed through TELA and its category. May I ask if Ms. Ada WONG has included the above factors for consideration in moving her motion? If some sort of system is not in place, we may become without barrier and totally free. I think Mr. PAO's amended motion has incorporated the meaning of Ms. WONG's original motion. I therefore support the amended motion moved by Mr. PAO Ping-wing. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. MR. LAI HOK-LIM (in Cantonese): Mr. Chairman, I oppose the amended motion and support the original motion. My first point, as I just said and the Chairman has just ruled, is that on procedural matters, the amended motion is a fresh motion. It should not be moved as an amended motion. Mr. WEN Choy-bon just mentioned that those not in support could just as well be in favour of a censorship system. I cannot agree. It is clear that Mr. PAO's motion is an 'all true' one. By 'all true', I mean it has been laid down in the terms and conditions of hire that hirers should comply with our stipulations as well as the laws of Hong Kong. With this as the background, it is just as saying that a human being is one kind of animal. Human beings are actually a species of the animal kingdom. It does not amount to anything if we discuss this. It will not increase our knowledge and it does not signify that a certain motion is wrong. Up to this moment, I still feel that the motion is an 'all true' one, a real motion. However, this does not help us to know about the censorship system and it is of no help to the censorship system. I oppose it because of the above reason, not because we will not comply with the laws of Hong Kong. If the Chairman too feels that the motion can be discussed, I will move a motion at the next meeting for Members to comply with the Municipal Services Ordinance for discussion. If this happens, it will be of no use. It is natural that UC activities should comply with the Municipal Services Ordinance. What is the use of discussing it? If we discuss such matters, we would be going round and round on a point of format. I therefore oppose the amended motion. I am not opposing the content of the amended motion in respect of complying with stipulations. I am merely saying that it is inevitable that hirers comply with the terms and conditions of hire. Page 460 Page 461

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Page 460 of 498 Page 460 of 498 504 HONG KONG URBAN COUNCIL As regards the function of venues and the policies, each and every venue under the management of the Urban Council has its specific function and usc. A special set of terms and conditions to match the policy of hire is also laid out so as to fully and effectively utilize the unique function and resources of each venue. Take the Cultural Centre for example. Say we receive two applications at the same time, one for a cultural programme and another for a boxing show or competition. If we do not know or understand beforehand the nature and format of the activity, how can we give priority to the more suitable activity? We may make the wrong decision. Say a venue is booked for a film show, we will have to find out if the intended film has passed through TELA and its category. May I ask if Ms. Ada WONG has included the above factors for consideration in moving her motion? If some sort of system is not in place, we may become without barrier and totally free. I think Mr. PAO's amended motion has incorporated the meaning of Ms. WONG's original motion. I therefore support the amended motion moved by Mr. PAO Ping-wing. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. MR. LAI HOK-LIM (in Cantonese):-Mr. Chairman, I oppose the amended motion and support the original motion. My first point, as I just said and the Chairman has just ruled, is that on procedural matters, the amended motion is a fresh motion. It should not be moved as an amended motion. Mr. WEN Choy-bon just mentioned that those not in support could just as well be in favour of a censorship system. I cannot agree. It is clear that Mr. PAO's motion is an ‘all true` one. By 'all true', I mean it has been laid down in the terms and conditions of hire that hirers should comply with our stipulations as well as the laws of Hong Kong. With this as the background, it is just as saying that a human being is one kind of animal. Human beings are actually a species of the animal kingdom. It does not amount to anything if we discuss this. It will not increase our knowledge and it does not signify that a certain motion is wrong. Up to this moment, I still feel that the motion is an 'all true' one, a real motion. However, this does not help us to know about the censorship system and it is of no help to the censorship system. I oppose it because of the above reason, not because we will not comply with the laws of Hong Kong. If the Chairman too feels that the motion can be discussed, I will move a motion at the next meeting for Members to comply with the Municipal Services Ordinance for discussion. If this happens, it will be of no use. It is natural that UC activities should comply with the Municipal Services Ordinance. What is the use of discussing it? If we discuss such matters, we would be going round and round on a point of format. I therefore oppose the amended motion. I am not opposing the content of the amended motion in respect of complying with stipulations. I am merely saying that it is inevitable that hirers comply with the terms and conditions of hire. Page 460Page 461

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As regards the function of venues and the policies, each and every venue under the management of the Urban Council has its specific function and usc. A special set of terms and conditions to match the policy of hire is also laid out so as to fully and effectively utilize the unique function and resources of each venue. Take the Cultural Centre for example. Say we receive two applications at the same time, one for a cultural programme and another for a boxing show or competition. If we do not know or understand beforehand the nature and format of the activity, how can we give priority to the more suitable activity? We may make the wrong decision. Say a venue is booked for a film show, we will have to find out if the intended film has passed through TELA and its category.

MR. LAI HOK-LIM (in Cantonese):-Mr. Chairman, I oppose the amended motion and support the original motion. My first point, as I just said and the Chairman has just ruled, is that on procedural matters, the amended motion is a fresh motion. It should not be moved as an amended motion.

Mr. WEN Choy-bon just mentioned that those not in support could just as well be in favour of a censorship system. I cannot agree. It is clear that Mr. PAO's motion is an ‘all true` one. By 'all true', I mean it has been laid down in the terms and conditions of hire that hirers should comply with our stipulations as well as the laws of Hong Kong. With this as the background, it is just as saying that a human being is one kind of animal. Human beings are actually a species of the animal kingdom. It does not amount to anything if we discuss this. It will not increase our knowledge and it does not signify that a certain motion is wrong. Up to this moment, I still feel that the motion is an 'all true' one, a real motion. However, this does not help us to know about the censorship system and it is of no help to the censorship system.

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