1996 — Page 329

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HONG KONG URBAN COUNCIL

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the UC Monthly Meetings. To some Councillors, these motions might have unnecessarily consumed their time. However, Councillors from the Democratic Party consider that it is in fact in the best interest of the public to move these motions. If it was found that some municipal services needed to be improved, we would raise the relevant matters at the Monthly Meetings for debate by Members. For instance, we have brought up for discussion issues in connection with morning exercise trails, venues for display of pet birds, frequency of street-washing and refuse recovering, all of which are closely related to the public and their livelihood. I am afraid anyone who considers it to be a waste of time might not be the right person to take up the responsibilities of an Urban Councillor. If you take an interest in serving the public, please give up the idea that working for the public is a waste of time.

A Councillor has just said that some Urban Councillors do not observe the law. If that's the case, it should be brought to court. We cannot conclude that a certain Councillor does not observe the law just because another Councillor thinks so. As an elected member, I have pledged to strive for the relocation of the pig-roasting factory in my platform and have reflected the wishes of the public to the Urban Council. I think what I have done is in line with the present democratic movement and social trend. Just now, Mr. Ip Kwok-chung has also said that there are people who preach speeches which make people worry about the future Special Administrative Region Government and that there are also people who said that we do not observe the law in the Urban Council and will ruin the Council. Now I know which colleague Mr. Ip Kwok-chung was referring to. In an elected council, I think individual Councillors can put forward different views in debates, but they should respect each other's opinions. If it is thought that there are people who do not observe the law, the case can be referred to the Court for ruling. No Councillor is in a position to judge whether another Councillor violates the law. I hope every Councillor can spend more time and effort on the municipal services so that we can actively respond to the requests of the community, which places high expectations on us. I hope we will continue to make an effort to provide high quality services to the community. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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CHAIRMAN (in Cantonese): Please note Standing Order No. 21(7)(c) which states that 'A Member while speaking on a motion or question must not make a personal charge against or improperly impute any motive to any Member or members of the staff“. As such, I hope our colleagues would co-operate by not mentioning the names of other Members. Instead, you may say 'someone' and that's okay. If you mention someone's name, it will indirectly involve a personal charge. Therefore, I hope that names would be avoided.

THE HON. LI WAH-MING (in Cantonese): I believe there is no problem with mentioning names. Is it not acceptable even if I agree with a Councillor on certain matters? I believe not. Mr. Chairman, I would like to clarify that the Standing Order refers to calumniation and personal charge only.

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HONG KONG URBAN COUNCIL 371 the UC Monthly Meetings. To some Councillors, these motions might have unnecessarily consumed their time. However, Councillors from the Democratic Party consider that it is in fact in the best interest of the public to move these motions. If it was found that some municipal services needed to be improved, we would raise the relevant matters at the Monthly Meetings for debate by Members. For instance, we have brought up for discussion issues in connection with morning exercise trails, venues for display of pet birds, frequency of street-washing and refuse recovering, all of which are closely related to the public and their livelihood. I am afraid anyone who considers it to be a waste of time might not be the right person to take up the responsibilities of an Urban Councillor. If you take an interest in serving the public, please give up the idea that working for the public is a waste of time. A Councillor has just said that some Urban Councillors do not observe the law. If that's the case, it should be brought to court. We cannot conclude that a certain Councillor does not observe the law just because another Councillor thinks so. As an elected member, I have pledged to strive for the relocation of the pig-roasting factory in my platform and have reflected the wishes of the public to the Urban Council. I think what I have done is in line with the present democratic movement and social trend. Just now, Mr. Ip Kwok-chung has also said that there are people who preach speeches which make people worry about the future Special Administrative Region Government and that there are also people who said that we do not observe the law in the Urban Council and will ruin the Council. Now I know which colleague Mr. Ip Kwok-chung was referring to. In an elected council, I think individual Councillors can put forward different views in debates, but they should respect each other's opinions. If it is thought that there are people who do not observe the law, the case can be referred to the Court for ruling. No Councillor is in a position to judge whether another Councillor violates the law. I hope every Councillor can spend more time and effort on the municipal services so that we can actively respond to the requests of the community, which places high expectations on us. I hope we will continue to make an effort to provide high quality services to the community. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. .... CHAIRMAN (in Cantonese): Please note Standing Order No. 21(7)(c) which states that 'A Member while speaking on a motion or question must not make a personal charge against or improperly impute any motive to any Member or members of the staff“. As such, I hope our colleagues would co-operate by not mentioning the names of other Members. Instead, you may say 'someone' and that's okay. If you mention someone's name, it will indirectly involve a personal charge. Therefore, I hope that names would be avoided. THE HON. LI WAH-MING (in Cantonese): I believe there is no problem with mentioning names. Is it not acceptable even if I agree with a Councillor on certain matters? I believe not. Mr. Chairman, I would like to clarify that the Standing Order refers to calumniation and personal charge only. Page 329 of 498 Page 329 of 498

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the UC Monthly Meetings. To some Councillors, these motions might have unnecessarily consumed their time. However, Councillors from the Democratic Party consider that it is in fact in the best interest of the public to move these motions. If it was found that some municipal services needed to be improved, we would raise the relevant matters at the Monthly Meetings for debate by Members. For instance, we have brought up for discussion issues in connection with morning exercise trails, venues for display of pet birds, frequency of street-washing and refuse recovering, all of which are closely related to the public and their livelihood. I am afraid anyone who consider it to be a waste of time might not be the right person to take up the responsibilities of an Urban Councillor. If you take an interest in serving the public, please give up the idea that working for the public is a waste of time.

A Councillor has just said that some Urban Councillors do not observe the law. If that's the case, it should be brought to court. We cannot conclude that a certain Councillor does not observe the law just because another Councillor thinks so. As an elected member, I have pledged to strive for the relocation of the pig-roasting factory in my platform and have reflected the wishes of the public to the Urban Council. I think what I have done is in line with the present democratic movement and social trend. Just now, Mr. Ip Kwok-chung has also said that there are people who preach speeches which make people worry about the future Special Administrative Region Government and that there are also people who said that we do not observe the law in the Urban Council and will ruin the Council. Now I know which colleague Mr. IP Kwok- chung was referring to. In an elected council, I think individual Councillors can put forward different views in debates, but they should respect each other's opinions. If it is thought that there are people who do not observe the law, the case can be referred to the Court for ruling. No Councillor is in a position to judge whether another Councillor violates the law. I hope every Councillor can spend more time and effort on the municipal services so that we can actively respond to the requests of the community, which places high expectations on us. I hope we will continue to make an effort to provide high quality services to the community. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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CHAIRMAN (in Cantonese):-Please note Standing Order No. 21(7)(c) which states that 'A Member while speaking on a motion or question must not make a personal charge against or improperly impute any motive to any Member or members of the staff“. As such, I hope our colleagues would co- operate by not mentioning the names of other Members. Instead, you may say 'someone' and that's okay. If you mention someone's name, it will indirectly involve in personal charge. Therefore, I hope that names would be avoided.

THE HON. LI WAH-MING (in Cantonese):-I believe there is no problem with mentioning names. Is it not acceptable even if I agree with a Councillor on certain matters? I believe not. Mr. Chairman, I would like to clarify that the Standing Order refers to calumniation and personal charge only.

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