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filled by staff on secondment as arranged by the relevant heads of grade in the government. That is to say, if the Department requires certain personnel while such grades are available in the civil service, the relevant heads of grade will be responsible for the recruitment and staff deployment.

As to what is 'need', how is 'need' defined, and whether we can decide if there is a need, Miss Ada WONG's questions may be answered by several points. Firstly, for Departmental posts of USD which are not available in the civil service, such as the contract-out of the street cleansing job mentioned above, the Department can decide on its own. Secondly, if the personnel required are available in the civil service, but the relevant government department is unable to deploy sufficient staff to fill the vacant posts, it is up to the relevant head of grade to decide whether there are difficulties in deployment. Under such circumstances, the USD will apply to the Council for creation of contract posts and recruit contract staff to fill the posts.

As to the third question, it will be answered briefly. According to the MAA, the Council has no discretion power to decide which posts are for recruitment by the USD and which posts are for secondment from other government departments. As to which department is responsible for the recruitment, it depends on which grades the posts belong to.

MISS ADA WONG YING-KAY (in Cantonese):—Mr. Chairman, the last question about magazine advertisements is not yet answered.

MR. SUEN KAI-CHEONG (in Cantonese):—Regarding advertisements in magazines, the present practice is that negotiations with newspapers and magazines for discounts and favourable rates are done through the ISD. As for the actual contents including graphic design and size of the advertisements as well as the selection of newspapers and magazines, the USD has the full power to decide.

MISS ADA WONG YING-KAY (in Cantonese):—Mr. Chairman, I want to follow-up on the establishment of the PIU. At present, 63% of the staff of the PIU are seconded from the ISD while 37% are not. I would like to know who decided to adopt this ratio of 63:37 and whether this can be changed. Besides, in the reply it is clearly shown that in 1995/96, the total expenditure of the PIU posts which are filled by staff seconded from the ISD is over $17 million. What then is the total expenditure on salaries and on-costs of the posts filled by contract staff?

MR. SUEN KAI-CHEONG (in Cantonese):—The ratio of civil service posts to contract posts in the PIU of USD is decided by neither the USD nor the Urban Council. Just now I have already mentioned that when the kinds of personnel required are available in the Civil Services Grades in the Central Government, staff will be seconded from those grades and the head of such grades will be responsible for staff deployment. However, if such deployment cannot satisfy

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200 16г. Page 465 of 485 176 # HONG KONG URBAN COUNCIL filled by staff on secondment as arranged by the relevant heads of grade in the government. That is to say, if the Department requires certain personnel while such grades are available in the civil service, the relevant heads of grade will be responsible for the recruitment and staff deployment. As to what is 'need', how is 'need' defined, and whether we can decide if there is a need, Miss Ada WONG's questions may be answered by several points. Firstly, for Departmental posts of USD which are not available in the civil service, such as the contract-out of the street cleansing job mentioned above, the Department can decide on its own. Secondly, if the personnel required are available in the civil service, but the relevant government department is unable to deploy sufficient staff to fill the vacant posts, it is up to the relevant head of grade to decide whether there are difficulties in deployment. Under such circumstances, the USD will apply to the Council for creation of contract posts and recruit contract staff to fill the posts. As to the third question, it will be answered briefly. According to the MAA, the Council has no discretion power to decide which posts are for recruitment by the USD and which posts are for secondment from other government departments. As to which department is responsible for the recruitment, it depends on which grades the posts belong to. MISS ADA WONG YING-KAY (in Cantonese):—Mr. Chairman, the last question about magazine advertisements is not yet answered. MR. SUEN KAI-CHEONG (in Cantonese):—Regarding advertisements in magazines, the present practice is that negotiations with newspapers and magazines for discounts and favourable rates are done through the ISD. As for the actual contents including graphic design and size of the advertisements as well as the selection of newspapers and magazines, the USD has the full power to decide. MISS ADA WONG YING-KAY (in Cantonese):—Mr. Chairman, I want to follow-up on the establishment of the PIU. At present, 63% of the staff of the PIU are seconded from the ISD while 37% are not. I would like to know who decided to adopt this ratio of 63:37 and whether this can be changed. Besides, in the reply it is clearly shown that in 1995/96, the total expenditure of the PIU posts which are filled by staff seconded from the ISD is over $17 million. What then is the total expenditure on salaries and on-costs of the posts filled by contract staff? MR. SUEN KAI-CHEONG (in Cantonese):—The ratio of civil service posts to contract posts in the PIU of USD is decided by neither the USD nor the Urban Council. Just now I have already mentioned that when the kinds of personnel required are available in the Civil Services Grades in the Central Government, staff will be seconded from those grades and the head of such grades will be responsible for staff deployment. However, if such deployment cannot satisfy Page 465 of 485 Page 465 Page 466 Page 466 of 485
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filled by staff on secondment as arranged by the relevant heads of grade in the government. That is to say, if the Department requiries certain personnel while such grades are available in the civil service, the relevant heads of grade will be responsible for the recruitment and staff deployment.

As to what is 'need', how is 'need' defined, and whether we can decide if there is a need, Miss Ada WONG's questions may be answered by several points. Firstly, for Departmental posts of USD which are not available in the civil service, such as the contract-out of the street cleansing job mentioned above, the Department can decide on its own. Secondly, if the personnel required are available in the civil service, but the relevant government department is unable to deploy sufficient staff to fill the vacant posts, it is up to the relevant head of grade to decide whether there are difficulties in deployment. Under such circumstances, the USD will apply to the Council for creation of contract posts and recruit contract staff to fill the posts.

As to the third question, it will be answered briefly. According to the MAA, the Council has no discretion power to decide which posts are for recruitment by the USD and which posts are for secondment from other government departments. As to which department is responsible for the recruitment, it depends on which grades the posts belong to.

MISS ADA WONG YING-KAY (in Cantonese);—Mr. Chairman, the last question about magazine advertisements is not yet answered.

MR. SUEN KAI-CHEONG (in Cantonese):-Regarding advertisements in magazines, the present practice is that negotiations with newspapers and magazines for discounts and favourable rates are done through the ISD. As for the actual contents including graphic design and size of the advertisements as well as the selection of newspapers and magazines, the USD has the full power to decide.

MISS ADA WONG YING-KAY (in Cantonese):-Mr. Chairman, I want to follow- up on the establishment of the PIU. At present, 63% of the staff of the PIU are seconded from the ISD while 37% are not. I would like to know who decided to adopt this ratio of 63:37 and whether this can be changed. Besides, in the reply it is clearly shown that in 1995/96, the total expenditure of the PIU posts which are filled by staff seconded from the ISD is over $17 million. What then is the total expenditure on salaries and on-costs of the posts filled by contract staff?

MR. SUEN KAI-CHEONG (in Cantonese):-The ratio of civil service posts lo contract posts in the PIU of USD is decided by neither the USD nor the Urban Council. Just now I have already mentioned that when the kinds of personnel required are available in the Civil Services Grades in the Central Government, staff will be seconded from those grades and the head of such grades will be responsible for staff deployment. However, if such deployment cannot satisfy

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