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Mr. Albert LAI Wing-lin's dilatory motion to refer the matter to the Libraries Select Committee and Museums Select Committee for detailed discussion was put.

The motion was carried with 16 votes for (including the Chairman's casting vote), 15 votes against and 2 abstentions.

CHAIRMAN (in Cantonese): Since I have the casting vote, the dilatory motion was carried. Dear colleagues, my vote is not a political one. As I have explained, if we want our Council to run well, we should not put the cart before the horse, we need basic information, papers on table and Departmental staff attending our meeting to answer our queries. My vote was definitely not cast from a political consideration, I hope Members could forgive me, if I am to vote, I vote for the motion.

Mr. Tim S. Manuel Chan (in Cantonese): I want to raise one point. I wonder if the Chairman has made a wrong decision because of a moment's negligence.

Chairman (in Cantonese): No, I would not be careless, even when I am extremely busy.

Mr. Tim S. Manuel Chan (in Cantonese): In general, the Chairman will support holding a debate on the original motion; if the vote is 15 to 15, his casting vote will not support the opposing side. This is the usual practice of the Legislative Council.

MR. CHAIRMAN (in Cantonese): We are in the Urban Council, not the Legislative Council.

MR. LAI HOK-LIM (in Cantonese): Mr. Chairman, before you cast your vote, I think you should look at the traditional practice of meetings. It is not only the practice of the Legislative Council, but also the practice of the Upper and the Lower Chambers in the UK that if the number of votes for a motion is the same, the Chairman should maintain the status quo and continue the discussion. I want my words here be recorded. If the Chairman still neglect the tradition and cast his vote, I have nothing to say. This is a general tradition of meetings, if you do not follow it, you should give a good explanation beforehand. Unless you have a strong intention to vote, otherwise, I don't see why you have such a decision.

MR. SAN STEPHEN WONG HON-CHING (in Cantonese): Mr. Chairman, it seems to me that you have strong views about this issue because in your first speech, you had already indicated that you were in favour of referring the issue back to the Select Committee. You also told us what you thought, for example, there would be an impact on staff establishment, it would have

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Page 431 of 485 Page 431 of 485 144 HONG KONG URBAN COUNCIL Mr. Albert LAI Wing-lin's dilatory motion to refer the matter to the Libraries Select Committee and Museums Select Committee for detailed discussion was put. The motion was carried with 16 votes for (including the Chairman's casting vote), 15 votes against and 2 abstentions. CHAIRMAN (in Cantonese): Since I have the casting vote, the dilatory motion was carried. Dear colleagues, my vote is not a political one. As I have explained, if we want our Council to run well, we should not put the cart before the horse, we need basic information, papers on table and Departmental staff attending our meeting to answer our queries. My vote was definitely not cast from a political consideration, I hope Members could forgive me, if I am to vote, I vote for the motion. Mr. Tim S. Manuel Chan (in Cantonese): I want to raise one point. I wonder if the Chairman has made a wrong decision because of a moment's negligence. Chairman (in Cantonese): No, I would not be careless, even when I am extremely busy. Mr. Tim S. Manuel Chan (in Cantonese): In general, the Chairman will support holding a debate on the original motion; if the vote is 15 to 15, his casting vote will not support the opposing side. This is the usual practice of the Legislative Council. MR. CHAIRMAN (in Cantonese): We are in the Urban Council, not the Legislative Council. MR. LAI HOK-LIM (in Cantonese): Mr. Chairman, before you cast your vote, I think you should look at the traditional practice of meetings. It is not only the practice of the Legislative Council, but also the practice of the Upper and the Lower Chambers in the UK that if the number of votes for a motion is the same, the Chairman should maintain the status quo and continue the discussion. I want my words here be recorded. If the Chairman still neglect the tradition and cast his vote, I have nothing to say. This is a general tradition of meetings, if you do not follow it, you should give a good explanation beforehand. Unless you have a strong intention to vote, otherwise, I don't see why you have such a decision. MR. SAN STEPHEN WONG HON-CHING (in Cantonese): Mr. Chairman, it seems to me that you have strong views about this issue because in your first speech, you had already indicated that you were in favour of referring the issue back to the Select Committee. You also told us what you thought, for example, there would be an impact on staff establishment, it would have Page 431 of 485

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Page 431 of 485 Page 431 of 485 144 HONG KONG URBAN COUNCIL Mr. Albert LAI Wing-lin's dilatory motion to refer the matter to the Libraries Select Committee and Museums Select Committee for detailed discussion was put. The motion was carried with 16 votes for (including the Chairman's casting vote), 15 votes against and 2 abstentions. CHAIRMAN (in Cantonese):-Since I have the casting vote, the dilatory motion was carried. Dear colleagues, my vote is not a political one. As I have explained, if we want our Council to run well, we should not put the cart before the horse, we need basic information, papers on table and Departmental staff attending our meeting to answer our queries. My vote was definitely not casted from a political consideration, I hope Members could forgive me, if I am to vote, I vote for the motion. Mr. Tim S. Manuel Chan (in Cantonese):-I want to raise one point. I wonder if the Chairman has made a wrong decision because of a moment's negligence. Chairman (in Cantonese):-No, I would not be careless, even when I am extremely busy. Mr. Tim S. Manuel Chan (in Cantonese):—In general, the Chairman will support holding a debate on the original motion; if the vote is 15 to 15, his casting vote will not support the opposing side. This is the usual practice of the Legislative Council. MR. CHAIRMAN (in Cantonese):-We are in the Urban Council, not the Legislative Council. MR. LAI HOK-LIM (in Cantonese):-Mr. Chairman, before you cast your vote, I think you should look at the traditional practice of meetings. It is not only the practice of the Legislative Council, but also the practice of the Upper and the Lower Chambers in the UK that if the number of votes for a motion is the same, the Chairman should maintain the status quo and continue the discussion. I want my words here be recorded. If the Chairman still neglect the tradition and cast his vote, I have nothing to say. This is a general tradition of meetings, if you do not follow it, you should give a good explanation beforehand. Unless you have a strong intention to vote, otherwise, I don't see why you have such a decision. MR. SAN STEPHEN WONG HON-CHING (in Cantonese):—Mr. Chairman, it seems to me that you have strong views about this issue because in your first speech, you had already indicated that you were in favour of referring the issue back to the Select Committee. You also told us what you thought, for example, there would be an impact on staff establishment, it would have Page 431 of 485 10f485

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Mr. Albert LAI Wing-lin's dilatory motion to refer the matter to the Libraries Select Committee and Museums Select Committee for detailed discussion was put.

The motion was carried with 16 votes for (including the Chairman's casting vote), 15 votes against and 2 abstentions.

CHAIRMAN (in Cantonese):-Since I have the casting vote, the dilatory motion was carried. Dear colleagues, my vote is not a political one. As I have explained, if we want our Council to run well, we should not put the cart before the horse, we need basic information, papers on table and Departmental staff attending our meeting to answer our queries. My vote was definitely not casted from a political consideration, I hope Members could forgive me, if I am to vote, I vote for the motion.

Mr. Tim S. Manuel Chan (in Cantonese):-I want to raise one point. I wonder if the Chairman has made a wrong decision because of a moment's negligence.

Chairman (in Cantonese):-No, I would not be careless, even when I am extremely busy.

Mr. Tim S. Manuel Chan (in Cantonese):—In general, the Chairman will support holding a debate on the original motion; if the vote is 15 to 15, his casting vote will not support the opposing side. This is the usual practice of the Legislative Council.

MR. CHAIRMAN (in Cantonese):-We are in the Urban Council, not the Legislative Council.

MR. LAI HOK-LIM (in Cantonese):-Mr. Chairman, before you cast your vote, I think you should look at the traditional practice of meetings. It is not only the practice of the Legislative Council, but also the practice of the Upper and the Lower Chambers in the UK that if the number of votes for a motion is the same, the Chairman should maintain the status quo and continue the discussion. I want my words here be recorded. If the Chairman still neglect the tradition and cast his vote, I have nothing to say. This is a general tradition of meetings, if you do not follow it, you should give a good explanation beforehand. Unless you have a strong intention to vote, otherwise, I don't see why you have such a decision.

MR. SAN STEPHEN WONG HON-CHING (in Cantonese):—Mr. Chairman, it seems to me that you have strong views about this issue because in your first speech, you had already indicated that you were in favour of referring the issue back to the Select Committee. You also told us what you thought, for example, there would be an impact on staff establishment, it would have

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