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be provided at UC venues. Does it mean that before we discuss that particular motion, we must require the Department to provide us with all the details and show us the financial impact? Usually, the provision of carparks is considered at the Select Committee meetings before the construction of the capital work item and sometimes the provision of carparks is not feasible, but at least we endorse a policy direction, i.e. we hope that parking spaces can be provided at UC venues. I think the original motion and my amended motion today are quite similar to the aforesaid policy direction. So, Mr. Chairman, I do not support Mr. Lai Wing-lin's procedural motion.

MR. WU CHI-WAI (in Cantonese): I think motions resolved at the UC monthly meetings are for mapping out the way forward so that departmental staff can know the working direction. As to concrete proposals and operational details, they certainly have to go back to the Select Committees. Even the Legislative Council also have private bills. So I think there is no reason why we have to be worried about all sorts of technicalities and refer a motion on working direction to the Select Committees through a procedural motion. The wordings of today's motion actually allow a lot of flexibility and it is not a concrete proposal saying rigidly that the libraries must be opened from 9.00 a.m. to 5.00 p.m. We are not talking about concrete proposals. What we would like to resolve is just a policy direction which allows us to extend the opening hours of libraries and museums and to set up a liaison group. So it is very clear that the contents of the motion are, in fact, directional. So I object to Mr. LAI Wing-lin's procedural motion.

MR. CHAN KWOK-LEUNG (in Cantonese): Mr. Chairman, perhaps the Urban Council has been led by bureaucrats and the Urban Services Department for too long. When we have the power to formulate policies, we do not have the courage to exercise it. In this respect, we are lagging behind the Legislative Council. When the LEGCO Members were given the right to formulate policies by resolution, they were glad to accept and also showed their support. On the contrary, when the Urban Councillors are aware of their power to formulate policies at the Monthly Meetings, we do not have the courage to exercise it. Please look at the motion and amended motion of Mr. Lai Hok-lim and Miss Ada WONG Ying-kay respectively. Actually, these motions are directional policy guidelines. They do not, as the Chairman said, set the specific opening hours for libraries. Hence, please look at the motion and the amended motion carefully before quoting any example. If we do not dare to make even directional decisions and just refer the matters to Select Committees to draft papers which contain information we already know, are we having the courage an elected Member should have? I hope Members will consider their responsibilities and be responsible to the public. I object to the procedural motion of Mr. Albert Lai.

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Page 427 of 485 Tage 427 of 485 Page 427 of 485 140 HONG KONG URBAN COUNCIL be provided at UC venues. Does it mean that before we discuss that particular motion, we must require the Department to provide us with all the details and show us the financial impact? Usually, the provision of carparks is considered at the Select Committee meetings before the construction of the capital work item and sometimes the provision of carparks is not feasible, but at least we endorse a policy direction, i.e. we hope that parking spaces can be provided at UC venues. I think the original motion and my amended motion today are quite similar to the aforesaid policy direction. So, Mr. Chairman, I do not support Mr. Lai Wing-lin's procedural motion. MR. WU CHI-WAI (in Cantonese): I think motions resolved at the UC monthly meetings are for mapping out the way forward so that departmental staff can know the working direction. As to concrete proposals and operational details, they certainly have to go back to the Select Committees. Even the Legislative Council also have private bills. So I think there is no reason why we have to be worried about all sorts of technicalities and refer a motion on working direction to the Select Committees through a procedural motion. The wordings of today's motion actually allow a lot of flexibility and it is not a concrete proposal saying rigidly that the libraries must be opened from 9.00 a.m. to 5.00 p.m. We are not talking about concrete proposals. What we would like to resolve is just a policy direction which allows us to extend the opening hours of libraries and museums and to set up a liaison group. So it is very clear that the contents of the motion are, in fact, directional. So I object to Mr. LAI Wing-lin's procedural motion. MR. CHAN KWOK-LEUNG (in Cantonese): Mr. Chairman, perhaps the Urban Council has been led by bureaucrats and the Urban Services Department for too long. When we have the power to formulate policies, we do not have the courage to exercise it. In this respect, we are lagging behind the Legislative Council. When the LEGCO Members were given the right to formulate policies by resolution, they were glad to accept and also showed their support. On the contrary, when the Urban Councillors are aware of their power to formulate policies at the Monthly Meetings, we do not have the courage to exercise it. Please look at the motion and amended motion of Mr. Lai Hok-lim and Miss Ada WONG Ying-kay respectively. Actually, these motions are directional policy guidelines. They do not, as the Chairman said, set the specific opening hours for libraries. Hence, please look at the motion and the amended motion carefully before quoting any example. If we do not dare to make even directional decisions and just refer the matters to Select Committees to draft papers which contain information we already know, are we having the courage an elected Member should have? I hope Members will consider their responsibilities and be responsible to the public. I object to the procedural motion of Mr. Albert Lai. £185 Page

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MR. WU CHI-WAL (in Cantonese):-I think motions resolved at the UC monthly meetings are for mapping out the way forward so that departmental staff can know the working direction. As to concrete proposals and operational details, they certainly have 10 go back to the Select Committees. Even the Legislative Council also have private bills. So I think there is no reason why we have to be worried about all sorts of technicalities and refer a motion on working direction to the Select Committees through a procedural motion. The wordings of today's motion actually allow a lot of flexibility and it is not a concrete proposal saying rigidly that the libraries must be opened from 9.00 a.m. to 5.00 p.m.. We are not talking about concrete proposals. What we would like to resolve is just a policy direction which allows us to extend the opening hours of libraries and museums and to set up a liaison group. So it is very clear that the contents of the motion arc, in fact, directional. So I object to Mr. LAI Wing-lin's procedural motion.

MR. CHAN KWOK-LEUNG (in Cantonese):—Mr. Chairman, perhaps the Urban Council has been led by bureaucrats and the Urban Services Department for too long. When we have the power to formulate policies, we do not have the courage to exercise it. In this respect, we are lagging behind the Legislative Council. When the LEGCO Members were given the right to formulate policies by resolution, they were glad to accept and also showed their support. On the contrary, when the Urban Councillors are aware of their power to formulate policies at the Monthly Meetings, we do not have the courage lo exercise it. Please look at the motion and amended motion of Mr. Lat Hok-lim and Miss Ada WONG Ying-kay respectively. Actually, these motions are directional policy guidelines. They do not, as the Chairman said, set the specific opening hours for libraries. Hence, please look at the motion and the amended motion carefully before quoting any example. If we do not dare to make even directional decisions and just refer the matters to Select Committees to draft papers which contain information we already know, are we having the courage an elected Member should have? I hope Members will consider their responsibilities and be responsible to the public. I object to the procedural motion of Mr. Albert Lai.

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