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I would like to tell you that the L.L.B. has published a number of pamphlets for reference by the prospective applicants. The procedures are open and fair. I don't understand why some Members accused the L.L.B.'s liquor licensing policy as black box operation. The fact is, anyone who wants to apply for a liquor licence can ask for a pamphlet from the Council. After years of discussion, the L.L.B. has since this year introduced a new measure. Briefing sessions are conducted by senior U.S.D. officers to explain the application procedures and all applicants are welcome. The L.L.B. secretariat also operates a telephone enquiry service which has been running smoothly.

The L.L.B. is scheduled to review its policy on 26 October and a discussion paper is being prepared by the Department. I have held discussions with the vice-chairman Mr. Stanley NG, who moved the original motion today. The matter has been in the pipeline for two or three months and is scheduled for discussion on 26 October. So instead of voting for or against, I would like to propose that the original motion or the amended motion be referred to the L.L.B. for discussion on its 26 October meeting. The Chairman, I now move a dilatory motion under Standing Order No. 18 and (16)(c) and (16)(j) of Standing Order No. 21, to refer the matter to L.L.B. for discussion. I believe many Members are not familiar with the liquor licensing rules. There's no point in asking them to vote on this matter. Furthermore, as pointed out by Mr. Daniel WONG, both the original motion and the amended motion may have minor problems. I now move a dilatory motion and call upon members to support it.

CHAIRMAN (in Cantonese): According to the Standing Order, we should deal with Miss Ada WONG's amended motion before the second amendment can be moved. So Mr. Wong's motion has to be set aside for the time being, but it has been put on record. Mr. Wong's dilatory motion has to be dealt with later. This is the proper procedure.

THE HON. SZETO WAH (in Cantonese): Mr. Chairman, according to my understanding, procedural motions should be accorded priority, if the procedural motion is carried, then we do not need to handle the original motion and its amendment. In general, this is the normal procedure of meetings.

CHAIRMAN (in Cantonese): Section 21(16) of the Standing Orders is about amendments. Amended motion is only one item of amendment, and (j) dilatory motion is also an item of amendment under Section 21(16). So, if an amended motion is moved, it should be dealt with first. Is that the case?

The Secretary says I am correct. Under 21(16) of the Standing Order, items (a) to (n), item (a) is on amended motion while item (j) is on dilatory motion, so they should be dealt with equally. Of course the Standing Order of the Legislative Council and District Board may be different but anyway, according to the Standing Orders of the Urban Council, (a) is for amended motion and (j) is for dilatory motion which should be dealt with equally. We should handle Miss Ada Wong's

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Page 255 of 485 230 HONG KONG URBAN COUNCIL I would like to tell you that the L.L.B. has published a number of pamphlets for reference by the prospective applicants. The procedures are open and fair. I don't understand why some Members accused the L.L.B.'s liquor licensing policy as black box operation. The fact is, anyone who wants to apply for a liquor licence can ask for a pamphlet from the Council. After years of discussion, the L.L.B. has since this year introduced a new measure. Briefing sessions are conducted by senior U.S.D. officers to explain the application procedures and all applicants are welcome. The L.L.B. secretariat also operates a telephone enquiry service which has been running smoothly. The L.L.B. is scheduled to review its policy on 26 October and a discussion paper is being prepared by the Department. I have held discussions with the vice-chairman Mr. Stanley NG, who moved the original motion today. The matter has been in the pipeline for two or three months and is scheduled for discussion on 26 October. So instead of voting for or against, I would like to propose that the original motion or the amended motion be referred to the L.L.B. for discussion on its 26 October meeting. The Chairman, I now move a dilatory motion under Standing Order No. 18 and (16)(c) and (16)(j) of Standing Order No. 21, to refer the matter to L.L.B. for discussion. I believe many Members are not familiar with the liquor licensing rules. There's no point in asking them to vote on this matter. Furthermore, as pointed out by Mr. Daniel WONG, both the original motion and the amended motion may have minor problems. I now move a dilatory motion and call upon members to support it. CHAIRMAN (in Cantonese): According to the Standing Order, we should deal with Miss Ada WONG's amended motion before the second amendment can be moved. So Mr. Wong's motion has to be set aside for the time being, but it has been put on record. Mr. Wong's dilatory motion has to be dealt with later. This is the proper procedure. THE HON. SZETO WAH (in Cantonese): Mr. Chairman, according to my understanding, procedural motions should be accorded priority, if the procedural motion is carried, then we do not need to handle the original motion and its amendment. In general, this is the normal procedure of meetings. CHAIRMAN (in Cantonese): Section 21(16) of the Standing Orders is about amendments. Amended motion is only one item of amendment, and (j) dilatory motion is also an item of amendment under Section 21(16). So, if an amended motion is moved, it should be dealt with first. Is that the case? The Secretary says I am correct. Under 21(16) of the Standing Order, items (a) to (n), item (a) is on amended motion while item (j) is on dilatory motion, so they should be dealt with equally. Of course the Standing Order of the Legislative Council and District Board may be different but anyway, according to the Standing Orders of the Urban Council, (a) is for amended motion and (j) is for dilatory motion which should be dealt with equally. We should handle Miss Ada Wong's Page 255 of 485. 185 Page 255 Page 256

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Page 255 of 485 Page 255 of 485 230 HONG KONG URBAN COUNCIL I would like to tell you that the L.L.B. has published a number of pamphlets for reference by the prospective applicants. The procedures are open and fair. 1 don't understand why some Members accused the L.L.B.'s liquor licensing policy as black box operation. The fact is, anyone who wants to apply for a liquor licence can ask for a pamphlet from the Council. After years of discussion, the L.L.B. has since this year introduced a new measure. Briefing sessions are conducted by senior U.S.D. officers to explain the application procedures and all applicants are welcome. The L.L.B. secretariat also operates a telephone enquiry service which has been running smoothly. The L.L.B. is scheduled to review its policy on 26 October and a discussion paper is being prepared by the Department. I have held discussions with the vice- chairman Mr. Stanley No, who moved the original motion today. The matter has been in the pipeline for two or three months and is scheduled for discussion on 26 October. So instead of voting for or against, I would like to propose that the original motion or the amended motion be referred to the L.L.B. for discussion on its 26 October meeting. The Chairman, I now move a dilatory motion under Standing Order No. 18 and (16)(c) and (16)(j) of Standing Order No. 21, to refer the matter to L.L.B. for discussion. I believe many Members are not familiar with the liquor licensing rules. There's no point in asking them to vote on this matter. Furthermore, as pointed out by Mr. Daniel WONG, both the original motion and the amended motion may have minor problems. I now move a dilatory motion and call upon membrs to support it. CHAIRMAN (in Cantonese):-According to the Standing Order, we should deal with Miss Ada WONG's amended motion before the second amendment can be moved. So Mr. Wong's motion has to be set aside for the time being, but it has been put on record. Mr. Wong's dilatory motion has to be dealt with later. This is the proper procedure. THE HON. SZETO WAH (in Cantonese):-Mr. Chairman, according to my understanding, procedural motions should be accorded priority, if the procedural motion is carried, then we do not need to handle the original motion and its amendment. In general, this is the normal procedure of meetings. CHAIRMAN (in Cantonese):-Section 21(16) of the Standing Orders is about amendments. Amended motion is only one item of amendment, and (j) dilatory motion is also an item of amendment under Section 21(16). So, if an amended motion is moved, it should be dealt with first. Is that the case? The Secretary says I am correct. Under 21(16) of the Standing Order, items (a) to (n), item (a) is on amended motion while item (j) is on dilatory motion, so they should be dealt with equally. Of course the Standing Order of the Legislative Council and District Board may be different but anyway, according to the Standing Orders of the Urban Council, (a) is for amended motion and (j) is for dilatory motion which should be dealt with equally. We should handle Miss Ada Wong's Page 255 of 485. 185 Page 255Page 256

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I would like to tell you that the L.L.B. has published a number of pamphlets for reference by the prospective applicants. The procedures are open and fair. 1 don't understand why some Members accused the L.L.B.'s liquor licensing policy as black box operation. The fact is, anyone who wants to apply for a liquor licence can ask for a pamphlet from the Council. After years of discussion, the L.L.B. has since this year introduced a new measure. Briefing sessions are conducted by senior U.S.D. officers to explain the application procedures and all applicants are welcome. The L.L.B. secretariat also operates a telephone enquiry service which has been running smoothly.

The L.L.B. is scheduled to review its policy on 26 October and a discussion paper is being prepared by the Department. I have held discussions with the vice- chairman Mr. Stanley No, who moved the original motion today. The matter has been in the pipeline for two or three months and is scheduled for discussion on 26 October. So instead of voting for or against, I would like to propose that the original motion or the amended motion be referred to the L.L.B. for discussion on its 26 October meeting. The Chairman, I now move a dilatory motion under Standing Order No. 18 and (16)(c) and (16)(j) of Standing Order No. 21, to refer the matter to L.L.B. for discussion. I believe many Members are not familiar with the liquor licensing rules. There's no point in asking them to vote on this matter. Furthermore, as pointed out by Mr. Daniel WONG, both the original motion and the amended motion may have minor problems. I now move a dilatory motion and call upon membrs to support it.

CHAIRMAN (in Cantonese):-According to the Standing Order, we should deal with Miss Ada WONG's amended motion before the second amendment can be moved. So Mr. Wong's motion has to be set aside for the time being, but it has been put on record. Mr. Wong's dilatory motion has to be dealt with later. This is the proper procedure.

THE HON. SZETO WAH (in Cantonese):-Mr. Chairman, according to my understanding, procedural motions should be accorded priority, if the procedural motion is carried, then we do not need to handle the original motion and its amendment. In general, this is the normal procedure of meetings.

CHAIRMAN (in Cantonese):-Section 21(16) of the Standing Orders is about amendments. Amended motion is only one item of amendment, and (j) dilatory motion is also an item of amendment under Section 21(16). So, if an amended motion is moved, it should be dealt with first. Is that the case?

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