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MR. B. A. BERNACCHI (in English):—Supplementary on a supplementary I am afraid. Do you really mean to say that the GD teams in that area are insufficient having regard to other demands on GD teams in general?
MR. STEPHEN LAU MAN-LUNG (in Cantonese):—Mr. Chairman, two months ago, I gave an answer to the effect that for the Hong Kong Eastern District, the GD teams had been restructured. Of the 11 teams, six have already changed to the new deployment tactics and additional manpower are still needed for the remaining five teams. I think that all reorganisation cannot be completed until early next year. By that time, if their arrest powers have been strengthened they may be able to manage these hawkers more effectively. At the same time, however, for Java Road and Electric Road, there are two markets to be commissioned. Under this circumstance, manpower resources will never be sufficient but at present we can still monitor the situation. But we cannot deploy staff there all the time.
MR. B. A. BERNACCHI (in English): And the second supplementary is about paragraphs 5 to 7: Is there any evidence that some of the absent stallholders are hawking illegally outside. In other words, if we cannot stop the illegal hawkers, then they have to join them.
MR. STEPHEN LAU MAN-LUNG (in Cantonese):—Let me offer some information for consideration by Mr. BERNACCHI. For the Yue Wan Market, there are 434 stalls, three are vacant at present. Among those which are occupied, 80 stalls are used for storage purposes, representing 18% of the total. Whether these operators store their goods in the stalls and then hawk illegally on the streets, we do not have such records. As to whether that actually happens and whether that is one of the reasons why some of the stalls are used for the storage of goods, I think it is of little assistance to help solve the illegal hawking activities outside the Market if the number of stalls for storage purposes is reduced.
STATEMENT
MR. JOSEPH Y. S. CHAN, CHAIRMAN OF THE LIBRARIES SELECT COMMITTEE, made the following statement (in Cantonese): Mr. Chairman, I would like to say a few words about the recent visits to Canada, USA and Singapore in connection with the computerisation of the Council's public libraries.
Subsequent to the Request for Proposal exercise for the computerisation of Council's libraries in March 1992, the Council has shortlisted 3 proposals for detailed evaluation. In order to evaluate the proposals thoroughly and to ensure that they can meet the Council's requirements, it is necessary to observe functional demonstrations of the shortlisted systems, undertake benchmark tests and collect information from current users. For this purpose, two overseas visits were arranged.
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The duty visits to Canada and USA took place from 12-24 October 1992. Apart from myself, other participants were Ms. Carlye Tsui, Chairman of IT Sub-committee and Vice Chairman of Libraries Select Committee, Mr. Robert TSUI, EDP Manager, Mr. Michael MAK, Chief Librarian, Mr. K. C. TANG, Project Co-ordinator and Mr. Nelson HA, Deputy EDP Manager. On 5 November 1992, we went to Singapore and were joined by Mr. Paul YOUNG, Member of Libraries Select Committee.
Over a period of 12 days, the UC group visited 6 libraries including the Toronto Public Library, University of Toronto Library, Denver Public Library, Boulder Public Library, San Francisco Public Library, and the National Library of Singapore; met and discussed with over 60 persons who are involved with the 3 shortlisted computerisation proposals; saw the proposed library systems in operation and witnessed system performance benchmark tests.
The evaluation team is now analysing the functional and technical aspects of the 3 proposals and making clarifications with proposers on certain details. The group's observations and information collected from the duty visit will be incorporated into a report which is being prepared.
Apart from seeing the proposed system in operation, the UC group has also established many useful contacts and collected valuable information on other uses of information technology in libraries as well as planning details and designs of central libraries. These contacts and information will be useful for future library-related co-operation and for the planning of the central library for Hong Kong.
Mr. Chairman, I am pleased to report that the overseas visits for the library computerisation project have achieved all the objectives. Here I would like to take this opportunity to extend my thanks to the departmental staff who took part in the duty visits. Because of the tight schedule, they had to work late nights and over the weekends.
MOTIONS
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MR. B. A. BERNACCHI, CHAIRMAN OF THE FINANCE SELECT COMMITTEE, moved the following motion (in English):—Mr. Chairman, I rise to move the motion standing in my name:
'RESOLVED that the Urban Council (Fees for Official Signatures and Miscellaneous Services) (Amendment) By-law 1992 be made under section 41A of the Urban Council Ordinance, Cap. 101.'
These amending by-laws arise from Council's decision to revise the fees payable from $75 to $100 for official signatures and miscellaneous services provided by public officers on behalf of the Urban Council.
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MR. B. A. BERNACCHI (in English):—Supplementary on a supplementary I am afraid. Do you really mean to say that the GD teams in that area are insufficient having regard to other demands on GD teams in general?
MR. STEPHEN LAU MAN-LUNG (in Cantonese):—Mr. Chairman, two months ago, I gave an answer to the effect that for the Hong Kong Eastern District, the GD teams had been restructured. Of the 11 teams, six have already changed the new deployment tactics and additional manpower are still needed for the remaining five teams. I think that all reorganisation cannot be completed until early next year. By that time, if their arrest powers have been strengthened they may be able to manage these hawkers more effectively. At the same time, however, for Java Road and Electric Road, there are two markets to be commissioned. Under this circumstance, manpower resources will never be sufficient but at present we can still monitor the situation. But we cannot deploy staff there all the time.
MR. B. A. BERNACCHI (in English): And the second supplementary is about paragraphs 5 to 7: Is there any evidence that some of the absent stallholders are hawking illegally outside. In other words, if we cannot stop the illegal hawkers, then they have to join them.
MR. STEPHEN LAU MAN-LUNG (in Cantonese):-Let me offer some information for consideration by Mr. BERNACCHI. For the Yue Wan Market, there are 434 stalls, three are vacant at present. Among those which are occupied, 80 stalls are used for the storage purposes, representing 18% of the total. Whether these operators store their goods in the stalls and then hawk illegally on the streets, we do not have such records. As to whether that actually happens and whether that is one of the reasons why some of the stalls are used for the storage of goods, I think it is of little assistance to help solving the illegal hawking activities outside the Market if the number of stalls for storage purposes is reduced.
STATEMENT
MR. JOSEPH Y. S. CHAN, CHAIRMAN OF THE LIbraries Select COMMITTEE, made the following statement (in Cantonese): Mr. Chairman, I would like to say a few words about the recent visits to Canada, USA and Singapore in connection with the computerisation of the Council's public libraries.
Subsequent to the Request for Proposal exercise for the computerisation of Council's libraries in March 1992, the Council has shortlisted 3 proposals for detailed evaluation. In order to evaluate the proposals thoroughly and to ensure that they can meet the Council's requirements, it is necessary to observe functional demonstrations of the shortlisted systems, undertake benchmark tests and collect information from current users. For this purpose two overseas visits were arranged.
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The duty visits to Canada and USA took place from 12-24 October 1992. Apart from myself, other participants were Ms. Carlye Tsui, Chairman of IT Sub-committee and Vice Chairman of Libraries Select Committee, Mr. Robert TSUI, EDP Manager, Mr. Michael MAK, Chief Librarian, Mr. K. C. TANG, Project Co-ordinator and Mr. Nelson HA, Deputy EDP Manager. On 5 November 1992, we went to Singapore and were joined by Mr. Paul YOUNG, Member of Libraries Select Committee.
Over a period of 12 days, the UC group visited 6 libraries including the Toronto Public Library, University of Toronto Library, Denver Public Library, Boulder Public Library, San Francisco Public Library, and the National Library of Singapore; met and discussed with over 60 persons who are involved with the 3 shortlisted computerisation proposals; saw the proposed library systems in operation and witnessed system performance benchmark
tests.
The evaluation team is now analysing the functional and technical aspects of the 3 proposals and making clarifications with proposers on certain details. The group's observations and information collected from the duty visit will be incorporated into a report which is being prepared.
Apart from seeing the proposed system in operation, the UC group has also established many useful contacts and collected valuable information on other uses of information technology in libraries as well as planning details and designs of central libraries. These contacts and information will be useful for future library-related co-operation and for the planning of the central library for Hong Kong.
Mr. Chairman, I am pleased to report that the overseas visits for the library computerisation project have achieved all the objectives. Here I would like to take this opportunity to extend my thanks to the departmental staff who took part in the duty visits. Because of the tight schedule, they had to work late nights and over the weekends.
MOTIONS
1.
MR. B. A. BERNACCHI, CHAIRMAN OF THE FINANCE SELECT Committee, moved the following motion (in English):-Mr. Chairman, I rise to move the motion standing in my name:
'RESOLVED that the Urban Council (Fees for Official Signatures and Miscellaneous Services) (Amendment) By-law 1992 be made under section 41A of the Urban Council Ordinance, Cap. 101.'
These amending by-laws arise from Council's decision to revise the fees payable from $75 to $100 for official signatures and miscellaneous services provided by public officers on behalf of the Urban Council.
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