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attention to Chai Wan. But in fact I go to different parts of the territory all the time. I do not go there every month, but I go there three to four times a year. When I go there, nobody knows, not even people staff of the Department.

MR. B. A. BERNACCHI (in English):—Mr. Chairman, there are much more general questions. In answering part (b), does Mr. LAM mean that the special allowance will make no difference to the times or duties that the GDT are at present performing except that he hopes there will be increases in their morale?

MR. LAM CHAK-PIU (in Cantonese): Mr. Chairman, the Urban Services Department and the Working Group have examined this. The GDTs have to work under very difficult circumstances as they have to face the knife and scissors of the hawkers etc. So, under such circumstances, if we really want to assess the nature of their work, we need to give them some sorts of compensation. The Markets and Street Traders Select Committee have approved and endorsed the special allowance. On the one hand, we hope to give them some reasonable compensations. On the other hand, we also hope to be able to encourage them to work efficiently. Thirdly, we hope that we will be able to improve their standard of discipline. I believe that in the future the efficiency will be increased, and payment of this special allowance will produce a good effect.

MS. CHRISTINA Y. C. TING (in Cantonese):—Mr. Chairman, as far as I know, the business in Chai Wan and Yue Wan Markets had been good previously. However, a lot of illegal hawkers in the vicinity start operating after the GDTs go away. Also, early on Sunday mornings, they disturb people living in the nearby area. Could enforcement action be stepped up and more manpower resources be deployed to tackle the problem?

MR. LAM CHAK-PIU (in Cantonese):—Mr. Chairman, there are special circumstances in different districts and we will take them into consideration before we can decide on whether or not we should increase the manpower. If we can eliminate all hawkers in the vicinity, then probably the market rental will go up further. So, when we did decide on our rental increase, the problem of illegal hawkers has been taken into consideration. That is the reason why the rental for these markets is on the low side.

DR. THE HONOURABLE ELSIE TU (in English):—Mr. Chairman, could Mr. LAM tell us, if it is true that the increased allowance was intended, so that the GDTs should get better training and that they will be re-constituted? Would he ask the Department please to report to the Markets and Street Traders Select Committee what progress has been made on that training?

MR. LAM CHAK-PIU (in Cantonese):—Mr. Chairman, regarding training, it is being examined actively. The USD Training School at Lai Chi Kok under construction also has some programmes. As to exactly the details, I will probably ask the departmental representatives to provide information to Members at the Markets and Street Traders Select Committee meeting.

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VICE-CHAIRMAN, URBAN COUNCIL (in English):—Mr. Chairman, I wish to make brief report on the recent Council trip to the United States of America. The party comprised of myself, Mr. Brook BERNACCHI, Mr. Lo King-man, Mr. John FAN, Mr. CHOW Wai-keung, Mr. CHAN Kwok-ming, Mr. David FONG, Mr. John Wu, the Director of Urban Services and three members of the staff. The purpose of the visit was to see how various authorities performed duties similar to the Urban Council so that we could exchange ideas with them and learn what was happening in these fields in the United States.

Many of the visits were concerned with the operation of museums as this is important at this time as the Council is to open two major museums within the next year or so. However, we also took the opportunity to examine refuse collection and transfer station operation in San Francisco, performing art venues and general entertainment venues in other cities.

Specifically in San Francisco we visited the Exploratorium which was probably the first science museum to largely emphasise the hands-on approach to museum exhibits as in all cases we were able to talk to and question the management of the facility who were most helpful in providing us with all the information we required.

We were also able to meet with the management of the San Francisco Museum of Asian Art which houses the Avery Brundage Collection, one of the finest collections of Asian art in the world. Here again we were able to meet with the senior management and discuss problems in running a large art museum.

The San Francisco Public Works Department also gave us an insight into the methods they adopted in street cleaning and refuse collection. In particular, we were able to see how they had for many years handed over their refuse collection to private companies, the City itself had not collected refuse directly for some 50 years. We were also able to visit recycling facilities at the major refuse transfer station in the City.

Some members were able to visit the San Francisco Zoo in connection with our new walk-through aviary in the new Hong Kong Park.

In Washington, we were able to visit the Hirshhorn Museum which is part of the Smithsonian Institution and also the John F. Kennedy Centre for the Performing Arts. Again, in both cases we were received by the senior management and discussed the problems they encountered in running public funded museums and performing art centres.

In contrast to this, we were also able to visit the Capital Centre which is a facility similar in many ways to our Coliseum but which is run by private enterprise and some years ago had an input into various operations undertaken by the Council in the Coliseum and also where a number of Council staff had trained in previous years.

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Page 45 of 95 85 84 HONG KONG URBAN COUNCIL attention to Chai Wan. But in fact I go to different parts of the territory all the time. I do not go there every month, but I go there three to four times a year. When I go there, nobody knows, not even people staff of the Department. MR. B. A. BERNACCHI (in English):—Mr. Chairman, there are much more general questions. In answering part (b), does Mr. LAM mean that the special allowance will make no difference to the times or duties that the GDT are at present performing except that he hopes there will be increases in their morale? MR. LAM CHAK-PIU (in Cantonese): Mr. Chairman, the Urban Services Department and the Working Group have examined this. The GDTs have to work under very difficult circumstances as they have to face the knife and scissors of the hawkers etc. So, under such circumstances, if we really want to assess the nature of their work, we need to give them some sorts of compensation. The Markets and Street Traders Select Committee have approved and endorsed the special allowance. On the one hand, we hope to give them some reasonable compensations. On the other hand, we also hope to be able to encourage them to work efficiently. Thirdly, we hope that we will be able to improve their standard of discipline. I believe that in the future the efficiency will be increased, and payment of this special allowance will produce a good effect. MS. CHRISTINA Y. C. TING (in Cantonese):—Mr. Chairman, as far as I know, the business in Chai Wan and Yue Wan Markets had been good previously. However, a lot of illegal hawkers in the vicinity start operating after the GDTs go away. Also, early on Sunday mornings, they disturb people living in the nearby area. Could enforcement action be stepped up and more manpower resources be deployed to tackle the problem? MR. LAM CHAK-PIU (in Cantonese):—Mr. Chairman, there are special circumstances in different districts and we will take them into consideration before we can decide on whether or not we should increase the manpower. If we can eliminate all hawkers in the vicinity, then probably the market rental will go up further. So, when we did decide on our rental increase, the problem of illegal hawkers has been taken into consideration. That is the reason why the rental for these markets is on the low side. DR. THE HONOURABLE ELSIE TU (in English):—Mr. Chairman, could Mr. LAM tell us, if it is true that the increased allowance was intended, so that the GDTs should get better training and that they will be re-constituted? Would he ask the Department please to report to the Markets and Street Traders Select Committee what progress has been made on that training? MR. LAM CHAK-PIU (in Cantonese):—Mr. Chairman, regarding training, it is being examined actively. The USD Training School at Lai Chi Kok under construction also has some programmes. As to exactly the details, I will probably ask the departmental representatives to provide information to Members at the Markets and Street Traders Select Committee meeting. STATEMENT a very HONG KONG URBAN COUNCIL VICE-CHAIRMAN, URBAN COUNCIL (in English):—Mr. Chairman, I wish to make brief report on the recent Council trip to the United States of America. The party comprised of myself, Mr. Brook BERNACCHI, Mr. Lo King-man, Mr. John FAN, Mr. CHOW Wai-keung, Mr. CHAN Kwok-ming, Mr. David FONG, Mr. John Wu, the Director of Urban Services and three members of the staff. The purpose of the visit was to see how various authorities performed duties similar to the Urban Council so that we could exchange ideas with them and learn what was happening in these fields in the United States. Many of the visits were concerned with the operation of museums as this is important at this time as the Council is to open two major museums within the next year or so. However, we also took the opportunity to examine refuse collection and transfer station operation in San Francisco, performing art venues and general entertainment venues in other cities. Specifically in San Francisco we visited the Exploratorium which was probably the first science museum to largely emphasise the hands-on approach to museum exhibits as in all cases we were able to talk to and question the management of the facility who were most helpful in providing us with all the information we required. We were also able to meet with the management of the San Francisco Museum of Asian Art which houses the Avery Brundage Collection, one of the finest collections of Asian art in the world. Here again we were able to meet with the senior management and discuss problems in running a large art museum. The San Francisco Public Works Department also gave us an insight into the methods they adopted in street cleaning and refuse collection. In particular, we were able to see how they had for many years handed over their refuse collection to private companies, the City itself had not collected refuse directly for some 50 years. We were also able to visit recycling facilities at the major refuse transfer station in the City. Some members were able to visit the San Francisco Zoo in connection with our new walk-through aviary in the new Hong Kong Park. In Washington, we were able to visit the Hirshhorn Museum which is part of the Smithsonian Institution and also the John F. Kennedy Centre for the Performing Arts. Again, in both cases we were received by the senior management and discussed the problems they encountered in running public funded museums and performing art centres. In contrast to this, we were also able to visit the Capital Centre which is a facility similar in many ways to our Coliseum but which is run by private enterprise and some years ago had an input into various operations undertaken by the Council in the Coliseum and also where a number of Council staff had trained in previous years. Page 45 of 95 Page 45 Page 46 Page 46 of 95
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Page 45 of 95 Page 45 of 95 85 84 HONG KONG URBAN COUNCIL attention to Chai Wan. But in fact I go to different parts of the territory all the time. I do not go there every month, but I go there three to four times a year. When I go there, nobody knows, not even people staff of the Department. MR. B. A. BERNACCHI (in English):—Mr. Chairman, there are much more general questions. In answering part (b), does Mr. LAM mean that the special allowance will make no difference to the times or duties that the GDT are at present performing except that he hopes there will be increases in their morale? MR. LAM CHAK-PIU (in Cantonese): Mr. Chairman, the Urban Services Department and the Working Group have examined this. The GDTs have to work under very difficult circumstances as they have to face the knife and scissors of the hawkers etc. So, under such circumstances, if we really want to assess the nature of their work, we need to give them some sorts of com- pensation. The Markets and Street Traders Select Committee have approved and endorsed the special allowance. On the one hand, we hope to give them some reasonable compensations. On the other hand, we also hope to be able to encourage them to work efficiently. Thirdly, we hope that we will be able to improve their standard of discipline. I believe that in the future the efficiency will be increased, and payment of this special allowance will produce a good effect. MS. CHRISTINA Y. C. TING (in Cantonese):—Mr. Chairman, as far as I know, the business in Chai Wan and Yue Wan Markets had been good previously. However, a lot of illegal hawkers in the vinicity start operating after the GDTs go away. Also, early on Sunday mornings, they disturb people living in the nearby area. Could enforcement action be stepped up and more manpower resources be deployed to tackle the problem? MR. LAM CHAK-PIU (in Cantonese):-Mr. Chairman, there are special circumstances in different districts and we will take them into consideration before we can decide on whether or not we should increase the manpower. If we can eliminate all hawkers in the vicinity, then probably the market rental will go up further. So, when we did decide on our rental increase, the problem of illegal hawkers has been taken into consideration. That is the reason why the rental for these markets is on the low side. DR. THE HONOURABLE ELSIE Tu (in English):—Mr. Chairman, could Mr. LAM tell us, if it is true that the increased allowance was intended, so that the GDTs should get better training and that they will be re-constituted? Would he ask the Department please to report to the Markets and Street Traders Select Committee what progress has been made on that training? MR. LAM CHAK-PIU (in Cantonese):-Mr. Chairman, regarding training, it is being examined actively. The USD Training School at Lai Chi Kok under construction also has some programmes. As to exactly the details, I will probably ask the departmental representatives to provide information to Members at the Markets and Street Traders Select Committee meeting. STATEMENT a very HONG KONG URBAN COUNCIL VICE-CHAIRMAN, URBAN COUNCIL (in English):—Mr. Chairman, I wish to make brief report on the recent Council trip to the United States of America. The party comprised of myself, Mr. Brook BERNACCHI, Mr. Lo King-man, Mr. John FAN, Mr. CHOW Wai-keung, Mr. CHAN Kwok-ming, Mr. David FONG, Mr. John Wu, the Director of Urban Services and three members of the staff. The purpose of the visit was to see how various authorities performed duties similar to the Urban Council so that we could exchange ideas with them and learn what was happening in these fields in the United States. Many of the visits were concerned with the operation of museums as this is important at this time as the Council is to open two major museums within the next year or so. However, we also took the opportunity to examine refuse collection and transfer station operation in San Francisco, performing art venues and general entertainment venues in other cities. Specifically in San Francisco we visited the Exploratorium which was probably the first science museum to largely emphasise the hands on approach to museum exhibits as in all cases we were able to talk to and question the management of the facility who were most helpful in providing us with all the information we required. We were also able to meet with the management of the San Francisco Museum of Asian Art which houses the Avery Brundage Collection, one of the finest collections of Asian art in the world. Here again we were able to meet with the senior management and discuss problems in running a large art museum. The San Francisco Public Works Department also gave us an insight into the methods they adopted in street cleaning and refuse collection. In particular, we were able to see how they had for many years handed over their refuse collection to private companies, the City itself had not collected refuse directly for some 50 years. We were also able to visit recycling facilities at the major refuse transfer station in the City. Some members were able to visit the San Francisco Zoo in connection with our new walk through aviary in the new Hong Kong Park. In Washington, we were able to visit the Hirshhorn Museum which is part of the Smithsonian Institution and also the John F. Kennedy Centre for the Performing Arts. Again, in both cases we were received by the senior management and discussed the problems they encountered in running public funded museums and performing art centres. In contrast to this, we were also able to visit the Capital Centre which is a facility similar in many ways to our Coliseum but which is run by private enterprise and some years ago had an input into various operations undertaken by the Council in the Coliseum and also where a number of Council staff had trained in previous years. Page 45 of 95 Page 45Page 46 Page 46 of 95
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attention to Chai Wan. But in fact I go to different parts of the territory all the time. I do not go there every month, but I go there three to four times a year. When I go there, nobody knows, not even people staff of the Department.

MR. B. A. BERNACCHI (in English):—Mr. Chairman, there are much more general questions. In answering part (b), does Mr. LAM mean that the special allowance will make no difference to the times or duties that the GDT are at present performing except that he hopes there will be increases in their morale? MR. LAM CHAK-PIU (in Cantonese): Mr. Chairman, the Urban Services Department and the Working Group have examined this. The GDTs have to work under very difficult circumstances as they have to face the knife and scissors of the hawkers etc. So, under such circumstances, if we really want to assess the nature of their work, we need to give them some sorts of com- pensation. The Markets and Street Traders Select Committee have approved and endorsed the special allowance. On the one hand, we hope to give them some reasonable compensations. On the other hand, we also hope to be able to encourage them to work efficiently. Thirdly, we hope that we will be able to improve their standard of discipline. I believe that in the future the efficiency will be increased, and payment of this special allowance will produce a good effect.

MS. CHRISTINA Y. C. TING (in Cantonese):—Mr. Chairman, as far as I know, the business in Chai Wan and Yue Wan Markets had been good previously. However, a lot of illegal hawkers in the vinicity start operating after the GDTs go away. Also, early on Sunday mornings, they disturb people living in the nearby area. Could enforcement action be stepped up and more manpower resources be deployed to tackle the problem?

MR. LAM CHAK-PIU (in Cantonese):-Mr. Chairman, there are special circumstances in different districts and we will take them into consideration before we can decide on whether or not we should increase the manpower. If we can eliminate all hawkers in the vicinity, then probably the market rental will go up further. So, when we did decide on our rental increase, the problem of illegal hawkers has been taken into consideration. That is the reason why the rental for these markets is on the low side.

DR. THE HONOURABLE ELSIE Tu (in English):—Mr. Chairman, could Mr. LAM tell us, if it is true that the increased allowance was intended, so that the GDTs should get better training and that they will be re-constituted? Would he ask the Department please to report to the Markets and Street Traders Select Committee what progress has been made on that training?

MR. LAM CHAK-PIU (in Cantonese):-Mr. Chairman, regarding training, it is being examined actively. The USD Training School at Lai Chi Kok under construction also has some programmes. As to exactly the details, I will probably ask the departmental representatives to provide information to Members at the Markets and Street Traders Select Committee meeting.

STATEMENT

a very

HONG KONG URBAN COUNCIL

VICE-CHAIRMAN, URBAN COUNCIL (in English):—Mr. Chairman, I wish to make brief report on the recent Council trip to the United States of America. The party comprised of myself, Mr. Brook BERNACCHI, Mr. Lo King-man, Mr. John FAN, Mr. CHOW Wai-keung, Mr. CHAN Kwok-ming, Mr. David FONG, Mr. John Wu, the Director of Urban Services and three members of the staff. The purpose of the visit was to see how various authorities performed duties similar to the Urban Council so that we could exchange ideas with them and learn what was happening in these fields in the United States.

Many of the visits were concerned with the operation of museums as this is important at this time as the Council is to open two major museums within the next year or so. However, we also took the opportunity to examine refuse collection and transfer station operation in San Francisco, performing art venues and general entertainment venues in other cities.

Specifically in San Francisco we visited the Exploratorium which was probably the first science museum to largely emphasise the hands on approach to museum exhibits as in all cases we were able to talk to and question the management of the facility who were most helpful in providing us with all the information we required.

We were also able to meet with the management of the San Francisco Museum of Asian Art which houses the Avery Brundage Collection, one of the finest collections of Asian art in the world. Here again we were able to meet with the senior management and discuss problems in running a large art

museum.

The San Francisco Public Works Department also gave us an insight into the methods they adopted in street cleaning and refuse collection. In particular, we were able to see how they had for many years handed over their refuse collection to private companies, the City itself had not collected refuse directly for some 50 years. We were also able to visit recycling facilities at the major refuse transfer station in the City.

Some members were able to visit the San Francisco Zoo in connection with our new walk through aviary in the new Hong Kong Park.

In Washington, we were able to visit the Hirshhorn Museum which is part of the Smithsonian Institution and also the John F. Kennedy Centre for the Performing Arts. Again, in both cases we were received by the senior management and discussed the problems they encountered in running public funded museums and performing art centres.

In contrast to this, we were also able to visit the Capital Centre which is a facility similar in many ways to our Coliseum but which is run by private enterprise and some years ago had an input into various operations undertaken by the Council in the Coliseum and also where a number of Council staff had trained in previous years.

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