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MR. B. A. BERNACCHI (in English):—Mr. Chairman, has the Council been informed why the Town Planning Board dismissed the application in the Carolin Hill area?

DR. RONALD D. B. LEUNG (in English):—Mr. Chairman, the site for allocation of a refuse collection point was suggested to be within the Tramway Depot Redevelopment scheme. I think the complication and implication in this scheme would be the overall consideration of their planning and it is not just dictated by our needs or by our request.

4. MR. DICKSON K. F. PANG asked the following question (in English):— I understand that a large area of land in Jordan Valley, Kwun Tong, has been earmarked for recreational use. Please could I be informed when this area will be developed by Council, as it lies within a very heavily populated area where both active and passive recreational facilities are badly needed?

MR. SAMUEL P. W. WONG, CHAIRMAN OF THE RECREATION SELECT COMMITTEE replied as follows (in Cantonese):—The question asked by Mr. Dickson PANG refers to the development of recreational venues in Jordan Valley by Council.

The site for the Jordan Valley Recreation Ground is already zoned 'O' on the Ngau Tau Kok and Kowloon Bay Outline Zoning Plan S/K13/2. The project was originally to have been developed in 2 phases to suit site availability. Phase I with an area of 1.05 ha is planned to provide a passive recreational area with extensive landscaping, a tai-chi area and a children's playground. The scope of development was approved by Council vide Committee Paper REC/143/87. The site consists of three platforms on a slope and the layout plan may require revision following a geotechnical study now being commissioned by the Architectural Services Department. Council approval will be sought when the layout plan and costing are finalized. Construction is expected to start in late 1990 for completion in late 1992.

The area of the originally proposed Phase II of the Jordan Valley Recreation Ground development measures 6.3 ha, i.e. six times larger than the Phase I site. The scope of development has not yet been finalized, but preliminary consideration is to develop the site for active recreational use. The site is at present covered by the Jordan Valley estate, clearance of which was originally scheduled for 1990. However Housing Department have now informed Government that:

(a) The bulk of the housing blocks will be demolished in 1990 but 5 blocks will be retained for the foreseeable future.

(b) The flatted factories which occupy the southern end of the site will also be retained with no programme for demolition.

The Department has protested strongly to Government over this decision which delays indefinitely the development of valuable open space in Kwun Tong District, but, so far, without success.

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several constraints, namely:

In planning the development scope of the Phase II project, there are now

(a) If the 5 estate blocks are retained as proposed by Housing Department, this means that development will have to be in a number of phases. A road through the site to serve the estate blocks will have to be retained. This will further constrain comprehensive development. In practice, retention of the 5 blocks will call into question the feasibility of any full-scale development of the Phase II site for the foreseeable future, although some small temporary playgrounds might be feasible on the parts of the site not required by Housing Department for retained blocks or access roads.

(b) as the Housing Department has no programme to demolish the Jordan Valley Flatted Factories, the southern end of the site cannot now be considered for open space development.

Phase II project will lead to the people of the western half of Kwun Tong

Clearly, the retention of the 5 blocks, with the consequential deferment of the District being deprived for a considerable period of very badly needed open space, which would otherwise be developed as a priority by Council.

Some members of Council have expressed a wish to see a swimming pool developed on the Phase II site. Following the recommendations of the Working Party on Leisure Pools, Council have decided that a Leisure Pool Complex should be built at Hammer Hill in Wong Tai Sin District. An evaluation will be made of its usage after completion, (scheduled for 1993), and Council will then decide whether to build any more Leisure Pool Complexes. However, the Department has asked Architectural Services Department to conduct a feasibility study on the suitability of the Jordan Valley Phase II site for a Leisure Pool Complex. This does not commit Council to a course of action, but will indicate whether the site is suitable for such a development. The Department's preliminary view, subject to the feasibility study being positive, is that the Jordan Valley Phase II site is eminently suitable for development as an option. However, of course, if the 5 blocks are retained as proposed by Housing Department, any such development would be seriously compromised, at least in the foreseeable future.

MR. DICKSON K. F. PANG (in Cantonese):—Mr. Chairman, I would like to ask the Chairman of the Recreation Select Committee a question. In your reply the Architectural Services Department was asked to carry out a feasibility study on building a leisure pool in the Jordan Valley Phase II site. I would like to know when the feasibility study will start and when will it be completed? Secondly, residents in Kwun Tong wish to have a second swimming pool. Will the Department consider building a swimming pool if it is found feasible?

MR. SAMUEL P. W. WONG (in Cantonese):—Mr. Chairman, the feasibility study has already started and it will not be completed in two to three months. If it is

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Page 14 of 166 20 HONG KONG URBAN COUNCIL MR. B. A. BERNACCHI (in English):—Mr. Chairman, has the Council been informed why the Town Planning Board dismissed the application in the Carolin Hill area? DR. RONALD D. B. LEUNG (in English):—Mr. Chairman, the site for allocation of a refuse collection point was suggested to be within the Tramway Depot Redevelopment scheme. I think the complication and implication in this scheme would be the overall consideration of their planning and it is not just dictated by our needs or by our request. 4. MR. DICKSON K. F. PANG asked the following question (in English):— I understand that a large area of land in Jordan Valley, Kwun Tong, has been earmarked for recreational use. Please could I be informed when this area will be developed by Council, as it lies within a very heavily populated area where both active and passive recreational facilities are badly needed? MR. SAMUEL P. W. WONG, CHAIRMAN OF THE RECREATION SELECT COMMITTEE replied as follows (in Cantonese):—The question asked by Mr. Dickson PANG refers to the development of recreational venues in Jordan Valley by Council. The site for the Jordan Valley Recreation Ground is already zoned 'O' on the Ngau Tau Kok and Kowloon Bay Outline Zoning Plan S/K13/2. The project was originally to have been developed in 2 phases to suit site availability. Phase I with an area of 1.05 ha is planned to provide a passive recreational area with extensive landscaping, a tai-chi area and a children's playground. The scope of development was approved by Council vide Committee Paper REC/143/87. The site consists of three platforms on a slope and the layout plan may require revision following a geotechnical study now being commissioned by the Architectural Services Department. Council approval will be sought when the layout plan and costing are finalized. Construction is expected to start in late 1990 for completion in late 1992. The area of the originally proposed Phase II of the Jordan Valley Recreation Ground development measures 6.3 ha, i.e. six times larger than the Phase I site. The scope of development has not yet been finalized, but preliminary consideration is to develop the site for active recreational use. The site is at present covered by the Jordan Valley estate, clearance of which was originally scheduled for 1990. However Housing Department have now informed Government that: (a) The bulk of the housing blocks will be demolished in 1990 but 5 blocks will be retained for the foreseeable future. (b) The flatted factories which occupy the southern end of the site will also be retained with no programme for demolition. The Department has protested strongly to Government over this decision which delays indefinitely the development of valuable open space in Kwun Tong District, but, so far, without success. HONG KONG URBAN COUNCIL 21 several constraints, namely: In planning the development scope of the Phase II project, there are now (a) If the 5 estate blocks are retained as proposed by Housing Department, this means that development will have to be in a number of phases. A road through the site to serve the estate blocks will have to be retained. This will further constrain comprehensive development. In practice, retention of the 5 blocks will call into question the feasibility of any full-scale development of the Phase II site for the foreseeable future, although some small temporary playgrounds might be feasible on the parts of the site not required by Housing Department for retained blocks or access roads. (b) as the Housing Department has no programme to demolish the Jordan Valley Flatted Factories, the southern end of the site cannot now be considered for open space development. Phase II project will lead to the people of the western half of Kwun Tong Clearly, the retention of the 5 blocks, with the consequential deferment of the District being deprived for a considerable period of very badly needed open space, which would otherwise be developed as a priority by Council. Some members of Council have expressed a wish to see a swimming pool developed on the Phase II site. Following the recommendations of the Working Party on Leisure Pools, Council have decided that a Leisure Pool Complex should be built at Hammer Hill in Wong Tai Sin District. An evaluation will be made of its usage after completion, (scheduled for 1993), and Council will then decide whether to build any more Leisure Pool Complexes. However, the Department has asked Architectural Services Department to conduct a feasibility study on the suitability of the Jordan Valley Phase II site for a Leisure Pool Complex. This does not commit Council to a course of action, but will indicate whether the site is suitable for such a development. The Department's preliminary view, subject to the feasibility study being positive, is that the Jordan Valley Phase II site is eminently suitable for development as an option. However, of course, if the 5 blocks are retained as proposed by Housing Department, any such development would be seriously compromised, at least in the foreseeable future. MR. DICKSON K. F. PANG (in Cantonese):—Mr. Chairman, I would like to ask the Chairman of the Recreation Select Committee a question. In your reply the Architectural Services Department was asked to carry out a feasibility study on building a leisure pool in the Jordan Valley Phase II site. I would like to know when the feasibility study will start and when will it be completed? Secondly, residents in Kwun Tong wish to have a second swimming pool. Will the Department consider building a swimming pool if it is found feasible? MR. SAMUEL P. W. WONG (in Cantonese):—Mr. Chairman, the feasibility study has already started and it will not be completed in two to three months. If it is Page 14 of 166
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Page 14 of 166 20 HONG KONG URBAN COUNCIL MR. B. A. BERNACCHI (in English):—Mr. Chairman, has the Council beg informed why the Town Planning Board dismissed the application in the Carolin Hill area? DR. RONALD D. B. LEUNG (in English):-Mr. Chairman, the site for allocation of a refuse collection point was suggested to be within the Tramway Depo Redevelopment scheme. I think the complication and implication in this schem would be the overall consideration of their planning and it is not just dictate by our needs or by our request. 4. MR. DICKSON K. F. PANG asked the following question (in English);~ I understand that a large area of land in Jordan Valley, Kwun Tong, has bee earmarked for recreational use. Please could I be informed when this area will b developed by Council, as it lies within a very heavily populated area where both active and passive recreational facilities are badly needed? MR. SAMUEL P. W. WONG, CHAIRMAN OF THE RECREATION SELECT COMMITTE replied as follows (in Cantonese):---The question asked by Mr. Dickson PAN refers to the development of recreational venues in Jordan Valley by Council. The site for the Jordan Valley Recreation Ground is already zoned 'O' on the Ngau Tau Kok and Kowloon Bay Outline Zoning Plan S/K13/2. The proje was originally to have been developed in 2 phases to suit site availability. Phas I with an area of 1.05 ha is planned to provide a passive recreational area with extensive landscaping, a tai-chi area and a children's playground. The scope development was approved by Council vide Committee Paper REC/143/87 The site consists of three platforms on a slope and the layout plan may requir revision following a geotechnical study now being commissioned by the Architectural Services Department. Council approval will be sought when the layout plan and costing are finalized. Construction is expected to start in lat 1990 for completion in late 1992. The area of the originally proposed Phase II of the Jordan Valley Recreation Ground development measures 6.3 ha, i.e. six times larger than the Phase I sit The scope of development has not yet been finalized, but preliminary consideration is to develop the site for active recreational use. The site is a present covered by the Jordan Valley estate, clearance of which was originally scheduled for 1990. However Housing Department have now informed Government that: (a) The bulk of the housing blocks will be demolished in 1990 but 5 blocks will be retained for the foreseeable future. (b) The flatted factories which occupy the southern end of the site will also be retained with no programme for demolition. The Department has protested strongly to Government over this decision which delays indefinitely the development of valuable open space in Kwun Tong District, but, so far, without success. HONG KONG URBAN COUNCIL 21 several constraints, namely: In planning the development scope of the Phase II project, there are now (a) If the 5 estate blocks are retained as proposed by Housing Department, this means that development will have to be in a number of phases. A road through the site to serve the estate blocks will have to be retained. This will further constrain comprehensive development. In practice, retention of the 5 blocks will call into question the feasibility of any full-scale development of the Phase II site for the foreseeable future, although some small temporary playgrounds might be feasible on the parts of the site not required by Housing Department for retained blocks or access roads. (b) as the Housing Department has no programme to demolish the Jordan Valley Flatted Factories, the southern end of the site cannot now be considered for open space development. Phase II project will lead to the people of the western half of Kwun Tong Clearly, the retention of the 5 blocks, with the consequential deferment of the District being deprived for a considerable period of very badly needed open space, which would otherwise be developed as a priority by Council. Some members of Council have expressed a wish to see a swimming pool developed on the Phase II site. Following the recommendations of the Working Party on Leisure Pools, Council have decided that a Leisure Pool Complex should be built at Hammer Hill in Wong Tai Sin District. An evaluation will be made of its usage after completion, (scheduled for 1993), and Council will then decide whether to build any more Leisure Pool Complexes. However, the Department has asked Architectural Services Department to conduct a feasibility study on the suitability of the Jordan Valley Phase II site for a Leisure Pool Complex. This does not commit Council to a course of action, but will indicate whether the site is suitable for such a development. The Department's preliminary view, subject to the feasibility study being positive, is that the Jordan Valley Phase II site is eminently suitable for development as a option. However, of course, if the 5 blocks are retained as proposed by Housing Leisure Pool, and this would be the Department's preferred development Department, any such development would be seriously compromised, at least in the foreseeable future. MR. DICKSON K. F. PANG (in Cantonese):-Mr. Chairman, I would like to ask the Chairman of the Recreation Select Committee a question. In your reply the Architectural Services Department was asked to carry out a feasibility study on building a leisure pool in the Jordon Valley Phase II site. I would like to know when the feasibility study will start and when will it be completed? Secondly, residents in Kwun Tong wish to have a second swimming pool. Will the Department consider to build a swimming pool if it is found feasible? MR. SAMUEL P. W. WONG (in Cantonese):—Mr. Chairman, the feasibility study has already started and it will not be completed in two to three months. If it is
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MR. B. A. BERNACCHI (in English):—Mr. Chairman, has the Council beg informed why the Town Planning Board dismissed the application in the Carolin

Hill area?

DR. RONALD D. B. LEUNG (in English):-Mr. Chairman, the site for allocation of a refuse collection point was suggested to be within the Tramway Depo Redevelopment scheme. I think the complication and implication in this schem would be the overall consideration of their planning and it is not just dictate by our needs or by our request.

4. MR. DICKSON K. F. PANG asked the following question (in English);~ I understand that a large area of land in Jordan Valley, Kwun Tong, has bee earmarked for recreational use. Please could I be informed when this area will b developed by Council, as it lies within a very heavily populated area where both active and passive recreational facilities are badly needed?

MR. SAMUEL P. W. WONG, CHAIRMAN OF THE RECREATION SELECT COMMITTE replied as follows (in Cantonese):---The question asked by Mr. Dickson PAN refers to the development of recreational venues in Jordan Valley by Council.

The site for the Jordan Valley Recreation Ground is already zoned 'O' on the Ngau Tau Kok and Kowloon Bay Outline Zoning Plan S/K13/2. The proje was originally to have been developed in 2 phases to suit site availability. Phas I with an area of 1.05 ha is planned to provide a passive recreational area with extensive landscaping, a tai-chi area and a children's playground. The scope development was approved by Council vide Committee Paper REC/143/87 The site consists of three platforms on a slope and the layout plan may requir revision following a geotechnical study now being commissioned by the Architectural Services Department. Council approval will be sought when the layout plan and costing are finalized. Construction is expected to start in lat 1990 for completion in late 1992.

The area of the originally proposed Phase II of the Jordan Valley Recreation Ground development measures 6.3 ha, i.e. six times larger than the Phase I sit The scope of development has not yet been finalized, but preliminary consideration is to develop the site for active recreational use. The site is a present covered by the Jordan Valley estate, clearance of which was originally scheduled for 1990. However Housing Department have now informed Government that:

(a) The bulk of the housing blocks will be demolished in 1990 but 5 blocks

will be retained for the foreseeable future.

(b) The flatted factories which occupy the southern end of the site will also

be retained with no programme for demolition.

The Department has protested strongly to Government over this decision which delays indefinitely the development of valuable open space in Kwun Tong District, but, so far, without success.

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several constraints, namely:

In planning the development scope of the Phase II project, there are now

(a) If the 5 estate blocks are retained as proposed by Housing Department, this means that development will have to be in a number of phases. A road through the site to serve the estate blocks will have to be retained. This will further constrain comprehensive development. In practice, retention of the 5 blocks will call into question the feasibility of any full-scale development of the Phase II site for the foreseeable future, although some small temporary playgrounds might be feasible on the parts of the site not required by Housing Department for retained blocks or access roads.

(b) as the Housing Department has no programme to demolish the Jordan Valley Flatted Factories, the southern end of the site cannot now be considered for open space development.

Phase II project will lead to the people of the western half of Kwun Tong Clearly, the retention of the 5 blocks, with the consequential deferment of the District being deprived for a considerable period of very badly needed open space, which would otherwise be developed as a priority by Council.

Some members of Council have expressed a wish to see a swimming pool developed on the Phase II site. Following the recommendations of the Working Party on Leisure Pools, Council have decided that a Leisure Pool Complex should be built at Hammer Hill in Wong Tai Sin District. An evaluation will be made of its usage after completion, (scheduled for 1993), and Council will then decide whether to build any more Leisure Pool Complexes. However, the Department has asked Architectural Services Department to conduct a feasibility study on the suitability of the Jordan Valley Phase II site for a Leisure Pool Complex. This does not commit Council to a course of action, but will indicate whether the site is suitable for such a development. The Department's preliminary view, subject to the feasibility study being positive, is that the Jordan Valley Phase II site is eminently suitable for development as a option. However, of course, if the 5 blocks are retained as proposed by Housing Leisure Pool, and this would be the Department's preferred development Department, any such development would be seriously compromised, at least in

the foreseeable future.

MR. DICKSON K. F. PANG (in Cantonese):-Mr. Chairman, I would like to ask the Chairman of the Recreation Select Committee a question. In your reply the Architectural Services Department was asked to carry out a feasibility study on building a leisure pool in the Jordon Valley Phase II site. I would like to know when the feasibility study will start and when will it be completed? Secondly, residents in Kwun Tong wish to have a second swimming pool. Will the Department consider to build a swimming pool if it is found feasible?

MR. SAMUEL P. W. WONG (in Cantonese):—Mr. Chairman, the feasibility study has already started and it will not be completed in two to three months. If it is

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