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DR. HUANG (in Cantonese):-Mr. Chairman, about the death rate caused by this disease, it is about 15 per cent and it is not true that you will die immediately after being infected. Yes, we need to take measures to prevent it. Now it happened in Philadelphia in 1976 and there are several cases of outbreak in the U.K. several months ago, we still do not know about the exact cause of the disease, that is why we think we need to obtain more information before we take precautionary measures. I can assure Mr. FUNG that I will try my best to urge the Medical & Health Department to pay close attention to the problem and to work as soon as possible.

MR. LAWRENCE FUNG (in English):—Mr. Chairman, I am asking this subsequent question out of my ignorance. I would like to ask through you, is an air-conditioner enclosed in a building included in our scheduled premises, or by scheduled premises do we mean restaurants and cinemas?

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DR. HUANG (in Cantonese):-Well, I must confess my ignorance. Firstly, I am not an expert in public hygiene and I think we need to criticize the Medical & Health Department if it did not inform me of this even if they knew about it. Dr. PERRY, the one in charge, should form a working group to study the question and to see what legislation should be introduced.

MISS CECILIA YEUNG (in Cantonese):-Mr. Chairman, I would like to ask two questions. First question, well, again I am not very knowledgeable so I really do not know what it is, and after reading the paper I still do not know much about the disease. Looking at the translated term, I know it is caused by the air-conditioning system, so I hope that you will explain the disease to us.

DR. HUANG (in Cantonese):-Mr. Chairman, the disease is called Legionnaire's Disease because in Philadelphia the veterans from the armed forces met in a convention called the American Legion Convention there. After the convention, some people died of pneumonia and since several people died because of similar cases and all of them had attended the same American Legion Convention, that is why we called it Legionnaire's Disease. Now if the disease comes to Hong Kong, Madame LI and I myself may become victims and even our Chairman, Madame YEUNG, you too may become a victim; we do not have to be veterans to get the disease.

DR. HUANG (in Cantonese):-Mr. FUNG, you are indeed too modest; none of us here really knows very much about the disease, so I think I am as ignorant as you are, Mr. FUNG. That about the ventilation system in scheduled premises, I think there may be a higher occurrence of the disease in more crowded areas, for example, in cinemas or in restaurants; I do not think we need to be too worried about our air-conditioners, Mr. FUNG.

MRS. MARGARET LI (in Cantonese):—Mr. Chairman, I would still like to ask more questions. Dr. HUANG, are you obtaining information not only on outbreaks but also on the legislation concerning the prevention of this disease in the U.K., since 1980?

DR. HUANG (in Cantonese):-Well, Mr. Chairman, this first occurred in 1976 and at that time they thought that the occurrence was exceptional and they really did not know much about the cause, but recently we have had similar cases in the U.K. and the people all died of pneumonia and the disease was similar. I do not think the U.K. now has any particular legislation concerning the prevention of Legionnaire's Disease. If the U.K. did have this legislation, I am sure the Medical & Health Department would have obtained some copies and followed suit. As I have said, we still do not know very much about the disease and we do not have great confidence in the prevention of this disease. We must know more about the causes before we can know what preventary measures we should take.

MRS. MARGARET LI (in Cantonese):--Well, Dr. HUANG, do you know that since 1980 there are already some legislations in the U.K. controlling the air-conditioning systems, for instance in hotels and hospitals, and that they have, for instance, changed the coolants within the air-conditioners and cleaned them out every 6 months?

MRS. MARGARET LI (in Cantonese):---Dr. HUANG, after obtaining the concerned information, will you consider getting other departments, for example, the Fire Services Department or the Medical & Health Department to discuss and deal with the issue together?

DR. HUANG (in Cantonese): Yes, I am sure that we need a joint meeting with other departments because this concerns a lot of Government departments and our department cannot take up the task on our own. So I can assure you that I will try my best to prevent you from getting the disease.

MR. PETER CHAN (in Cantonese):—Mr. Chairman, I think we are all very concerned about the information; yes, we may be able to obtain the information but we do not know when we will get it. Perhaps we can urge our department's staff to help us; we will ask our staff to get the information from the Medical & Health Department or the U.K. authority as soon as possible. I think it will be best for us to discuss the information in an open meeting; if we cannot get it in the coming month, perhaps we can get it in August.

DR. HUANG (in Cantonese):-Mr. Chairman, this morning, I contacted Dr. PERRY and he is responsible for public hygiene and I, out of my ignorance, asked

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Page 34 of 195 40 HONG KONG URBAN COUNCIL DR. HUANG (in Cantonese):-Mr. Chairman, about the death rate caused by this disease, it is about 15 per cent and it is not true that you will die immediately after being infected. Yes, we need to take measures to prevent it. Now it happened in Philadelphia in 1976 and there are several cases of outbreak in the U.K. several months ago, we still do not know about the exact cause of the disease, that is why we think we need to obtain more information before we take precautionary measures. I can assure Mr. FUNG that I will try my best to urge the Medical & Health Department to pay close attention to the problem and to work as soon as possible. MR. LAWRENCE FUNG (in English):—Mr. Chairman, I am asking this subsequent question out of my ignorance. I would like to ask through you, is an air-conditioner enclosed in a building included in our scheduled premises, or by scheduled premises do we mean restaurants and cinemas? HONG KONG URBAN COUNCIL Page 34 of 195 41 DR. HUANG (in Cantonese):-Well, I must confess my ignorance. Firstly, I am not an expert in public hygiene and I think we need to criticize the Medical & Health Department if it did not inform me of this even if they knew about it. Dr. PERRY, the one in charge, should form a working group to study the question and to see what legislation should be introduced. MISS CECILIA YEUNG (in Cantonese):-Mr. Chairman, I would like to ask two questions. First question, well, again I am not very knowledgeable so I really do not know what it is, and after reading the paper I still do not know much about the disease. Looking at the translated term, I know it is caused by the air-conditioning system, so I hope that you will explain the disease to us. DR. HUANG (in Cantonese):-Mr. Chairman, the disease is called Legionnaire's Disease because in Philadelphia the veterans from the armed forces met in a convention called the American Legion Convention there. After the convention, some people died of pneumonia and since several people died because of similar cases and all of them had attended the same American Legion Convention, that is why we called it Legionnaire's Disease. Now if the disease comes to Hong Kong, Madame LI and I myself may become victims and even our Chairman, Madame YEUNG, you too may become a victim; we do not have to be veterans to get the disease. DR. HUANG (in Cantonese):-Mr. FUNG, you are indeed too modest; none of us here really knows very much about the disease, so I think I am as ignorant as you are, Mr. FUNG. That about the ventilation system in scheduled premises, I think there may be a higher occurrence of the disease in more crowded areas, for example, in cinemas or in restaurants; I do not think we need to be too worried about our air-conditioners, Mr. FUNG. MRS. MARGARET LI (in Cantonese):—Mr. Chairman, I would still like to ask more questions. Dr. HUANG, are you obtaining information not only on outbreaks but also on the legislation concerning the prevention of this disease in the U.K., since 1980? DR. HUANG (in Cantonese):-Well, Mr. Chairman, this first occurred in 1976 and at that time they thought that the occurrence was exceptional and they really did not know much about the cause, but recently we have had similar cases in the U.K. and the people all died of pneumonia and the disease was similar. I do not think the U.K. now has any particular legislation concerning the prevention of Legionnaire's Disease. If the U.K. did have this legislation, I am sure the Medical & Health Department would have obtained some copies and followed suit. As I have said, we still do not know very much about the disease and we do not have great confidence in the prevention of this disease. We must know more about the causes before we can know what preventary measures we should take. MRS. MARGARET LI (in Cantonese):--Well, Dr. HUANG, do you know that since 1980 there are already some legislations in the U.K. controlling the air-conditioning systems, for instance in hotels and hospitals, and that they have, for instance, changed the coolants within the air-conditioners and cleaned them out every 6 months? MRS. MARGARET LI (in Cantonese):---Dr. HUANG, after obtaining the concerned information, will you consider getting other departments, for example, the Fire Services Department or the Medical & Health Department to discuss and deal with the issue together? DR. HUANG (in Cantonese): Yes, I am sure that we need a joint meeting with other departments because this concerns a lot of Government departments and our department cannot take up the task on our own. So I can assure you that I will try my best to prevent you from getting the disease. MR. PETER CHAN (in Cantonese):—Mr. Chairman, I think we are all very concerned about the information; yes, we may be able to obtain the information but we do not know when we will get it. Perhaps we can urge our department's staff to help us; we will ask our staff to get the information from the Medical & Health Department or the U.K. authority as soon as possible. I think it will be best for us to discuss the information in an open meeting; if we cannot get it in the coming month, perhaps we can get it in August. DR. HUANG (in Cantonese):-Mr. Chairman, this morning, I contacted Dr. PERRY and he is responsible for public hygiene and I, out of my ignorance, asked Page 34 of 195

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Page 34 of 195 40 HONG KONG URBAN COUNCIL DR. HUANG (in Cantonese):-Mr. Chairman, about the death rate cause this disease, it is about 15 per cent and it is not true that you will die immedia after being infected. Yes, we need to take measures to prevent it. Now happened in Philadephia in 1976 and there are several cases of outbreak U.K. several months ago, we still do not know about the exact cause of disease, that is why we think we need to obtain more information before w take precautionary measures. I can assure Mr. FUNG that I will try my tent to urge the Medical & Health Department to pay close attention to the prob and to work as soon as possible. MR. LAWRENCE FUNG (in English):—Mr. Chairman, I am asking this subseq question out of my ignorance. I would like to ask through you, is an i enclosed in building included in our scheduled premises, or by scheduled premises mean restaurants and cinemas? We HONG KONG URBAN COUNCIL Page 34 of 195 41 DR. HUANG (in Cantonese):-Well, I must confess my ignorance. Firstly, I am not an expert in public hygiene and I think we need to criticize the Medical & Health Department if it did not inform me of this even if they knew about it. Dr. PERRY, the one in charge should form a working group to study the question and to see what legislation should be introduced. I am indeed MISS CECILIA YEUNG (in Cantonese):-Mr. Chairman, I would like to ask two questions. First question, well, again I am not very knowledgeable so I really do very ignorant, I really do not know what it is, and after reading the paper I not know much about the disease. Looking at the translated term, know it is caused by the air-conditioning system, so I hope that you will explain the disease to us. DR. HUANG (in Cantonese):-Mr. Chairman, the disease is called Legionnaire's Disease because in Philadephia the veterans from the armed forces met in a DR. HUANG (in Cantonese):-Mr. FUNG, you are indeed too modest, in meeting called the American Legion Convention there. After the convention, none of us here really knows very much about the disease, so I think I am ab as ignorant as you are, Mr. FUNG. That about the ventilation system scheduled premises, I think there may be higher occurrence of the disease more crowded areas, for example, in cinemas or in restaurants, I do not the we need to be too worried about our air-conditioners, Mr. FUNG. Mrs. Margaret Li (in Cantonese):—Mr. Chairman, I would still like to ask. more question. Dr. HUANG, are you obtaining information not only on outbreaks but also on the legislation concerning the prevention of this disease U.K., since 1980? DR. HUANG (in Cantonese):-Well, Mr. Chairman, this first occurred in 1 and at that time they thought that the occurrence was exceptional and th really did not know much about the cause, but recently we have similar cases: the U.K. and the people all died of pneumonia and the disease was similar.l. not think the U.K. now has any particular legislation concerning the prevent of Legionnaire's Disease. If the U.K. did have this legislation, I am sure Medical & Health Department would have obtained some copies and follow: suit. As I have said, we still do not know very much about the disease a we do not have great confidence in prevention of this disease. We must kno more about the causes before we can know what preventionary measures* should take. MRS. MARGARET LI (in Cantonese):--Well, Dr. HUANG, do you know that s 1980 there are already some legislations in U.K. controlling the air-conditione systems for instance in hotels and hospitals, and that they have for instance change the coolants within the air-conditioners and clean them out every 6 mont some people died of pneumonia and since several people died because of similar cases and all of them had attended the same American Legion Convention, that s why we called it Legionnaire's Disease. Now if the disease comes to Hong Kong, Madame Li and I myself may become victims and even our Chairman. Madame YEUNG, you too may become a victim, we do not have to be veterans to get the disease. Mrs. Margaret Li (in Cantonese):---Dr. HUANG, after obtaining the concerned information, will you consider getting other departments, for example, the Fire Services Department or the Medical & Health Department to discuss and deal with the issue together? DR. HUANG (in Cantonese): Yes, I am sure that we need a joint meeting with other departments because this concerns a lot of Government departments and our department cannot take up the task on our own. So I can assure you that I will try my best to prevent you from getting the discase. MR. PETER CHAN (in Cantonese):—Mr. Chairman, I think we are all very concerned about the information, yes, we may be able to obtain the information but we do not know when will we get it. Perhaps we can urge our department's staff to help us, we will ask our staff to get the information from the Medical & Health Department or the U.K. authority as soon as possible. I think it will be best for us to discuss the information in an open meeting, if we cannot get it in the coming month, perhaps we can get it in August. DR. HUANG (in Cantonese):-Mr. Chairman, this morning, I contacted Dr. PERRY and he is responsible for public hygiene and I, out of my ignorance, asked

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DR. HUANG (in Cantonese):-Mr. Chairman, about the death rate cause this disease, it is about 15 per cent and it is not true that you will die immedia after being infected. Yes, we need to take measures to prevent it. Now happened in Philadephia in 1976 and there are several cases of outbreak U.K. several months ago, we still do not know about the exact cause of disease, that is why we think we need to obtain more information before w take precautionary measures. I can assure Mr. FUNG that I will try my tent

to urge the Medical & Health Department to pay close attention to the prob

and to work as soon as possible.

MR. LAWRENCE FUNG (in English):—Mr. Chairman, I am asking this subseq

question out of my ignorance. I would like to ask through you, is an

i enclosed in building included in our scheduled premises, or by scheduled premises

mean restaurants and cinemas?

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DR. HUANG (in Cantonese):-Well, I must confess my ignorance. Firstly, I am not an expert in public hygiene and I think we need to criticize the Medical & Health Department if it did not inform me of this even if they knew about it. Dr. PERRY, the one in charge should form a working group to study the question and to see what legislation should be introduced.

I am indeed

MISS CECILIA YEUNG (in Cantonese):-Mr. Chairman, I would like to ask two questions. First question, well, again I am not very knowledgeable so I really do very ignorant, I really do not know what it is, and after reading the paper I not know much about the disease. Looking at the translated term, know it is caused by the air-conditioning system, so I hope that you will explain

the disease to us.

DR. HUANG (in Cantonese):-Mr. Chairman, the disease is called Legionnaire's Disease because in Philadephia the veterans from the armed forces met in a DR. HUANG (in Cantonese):-Mr. FUNG, you are indeed too modest, in meeting called the American Legion Convention there. After the convention,

none of us here really knows very much about the disease, so I think I am ab as ignorant as you are, Mr. FUNG. That about the ventilation system scheduled premises, I think there may be higher occurrence of the disease more crowded areas, for example, in cinemas or in restaurants, I do not the we need to be too worried about our air-conditioners, Mr. FUNG.

Mrs. Margaret Li (in Cantonese):—Mr. Chairman, I would still like to ask. more question. Dr. HUANG, are you obtaining information not only on outbreaks but also on the legislation concerning the prevention of this disease

U.K., since 1980?

DR. HUANG (in Cantonese):-Well, Mr. Chairman, this first occurred in 1 and at that time they thought that the occurrence was exceptional and th really did not know much about the cause, but recently we have similar cases: the U.K. and the people all died of pneumonia and the disease was similar.l. not think the U.K. now has any particular legislation concerning the prevent of Legionnaire's Disease. If the U.K. did have this legislation, I am sure Medical & Health Department would have obtained some copies and follow: suit. As I have said, we still do not know very much about the disease a we do not have great confidence in prevention of this disease. We must kno more about the causes before we can know what preventionary measures* should take.

MRS. MARGARET LI (in Cantonese):--Well, Dr. HUANG, do you know that s 1980 there are already some legislations in U.K. controlling the air-conditione systems for instance in hotels and hospitals, and that they have for instance change the coolants within the air-conditioners and clean them out every 6 mont

some people died of pneumonia and since several people died because of similar cases and all of them had attended the same American Legion Convention, that s why we called it Legionnaire's Disease. Now if the disease comes to Hong Kong, Madame Li and I myself may become victims and even our Chairman. Madame YEUNG, you too may become a victim, we do not have to be veterans to get the disease.

Mrs. Margaret Li (in Cantonese):---Dr. HUANG, after obtaining the concerned information, will you consider getting other departments, for example, the Fire Services Department or the Medical & Health Department to discuss and deal with the issue together?

MR. PETER CHAN (in Cantonese):—Mr. Chairman, I think we are all very concerned about the information, yes, we may be able to obtain the information but we do not know when will we get it. Perhaps we can urge our department's staff to help us, we will ask our staff to get the information from the Medical & Health Department or the U.K. authority as soon as possible. I think it will be best for us to discuss the information in an open meeting, if we cannot get it in the coming month, perhaps we can get it in August.

DR. HUANG (in Cantonese):-Mr. Chairman, this morning, I contacted Dr. PERRY and he is responsible for public hygiene and I, out of my ignorance, asked

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