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DR. HUANG (in Cantonese):—Mr. Chairman, Mrs. ELLIOTT mentioned in reply that the G.D. teams worked from 7.00 a.m. to 11.00 p.m. As far as Kowloon Tong is concerned, the hawkers are there from 7.00 a.m. to 9.00 a.m. and in the evening it is from 4.00 p.m. to 6.00 p.m., now why do not the G.D. teams go there everyday? My car passes by everyday and they are there all the time and in the Kowloon Tong, usually we have actually very scented trees, but now the smell created by such hawkers have given a very bad smell to the area, so could you possibly tell the G.D. teams about this, because every morning they provide breakfast and then in the late afternoon snacks, can you go there and do something?

MRS. ELLIOTT (in English): Mr. Chairman, I am just as concerned as HUANG and other members about the unruliness of the hawkers especially cooked food hawkers; sometimes they make me sick because of the mess they make. The point is that the G.D. teams are unable to cope with the situation. We would like them to do what we would like them to do, and that is why the Working Party is trying to find a solution. I just have to keep on saying that, until we find the solution and put it into operation. I do not see how we can make very great progress, however much we try in the interim period but I would assure members that the Deputy Director often says the department has got his Working Group considering what we can do. I do think it will be the final solution, but he is looking into the possibility of redeploying, re-organizing and re-instructing because at the present time, G.D. teams do not seem to have anyone who is really instructing them but I hope they will soon have.

DR. HUANG (in Cantonese):—Mr. Chairman, this reminds me of what happened about a decade ago. We have the Clean Hong Kong Campaign then, and before that we had some litter wardens and people responsible with cleansing and there was a total of about 100 to 200. They were very very efficient and every one of them have to be responsible for one arrest all day, and that is actually very easy and the rest of day they can take it easy. Now being the G.D. teams, we have over 300 people, if I am correct on figures, and we also have vehicles. There are a lot of M.T.R. stations, you do not have to take up static duty at those points, you know when they will be there so you go there at that particular time, and if you go around a number of times then they will simply disappear, so are we actually making use of our manpower? We are paying them and we are paying them through public money. There are people taking the M.T.R., when they come up they smell the nasty smell immediately and they are also taxpayers, so are we examining the situation well? Are we looking at the point and saying how we are making the best use of our resources?

MRS. ELLIOTT (in English):—Mr. Chairman, I do agree we are not making the best use of our G.D. teams; I do not think that they are being deployed in the correct way and they are not controlling as they should control. But as I have said the point is that we are looking into the possibility of changing the system, because the system of arresting of hawkers is not helping. They are just chasing them round the streets. We are suggesting some different methods of dealing with them more quickly and dealing mainly with those who cause the greatest obstruction and making the biggest mess, and not touching those who are more or less orderly.

CHAIRMAN (in English):—Perhaps it might interest members to know that on Page 7 of this month's report, i.e. the May report 1985 which has been tabled, the number of operations on Hong Kong Island is 427, in Kowloon is 4,137. The number of arrests on Hong Kong Island, this is also in connection with the hawker matters, is 2,529 and for Kowloon it was 6,098, it makes a total of 8,627 arrests. This is compared very favourably with 5,299 for May last year.

MRS. ELLIOTT (in English): Mr. Chairman, if I could just say a few words, we are not at this point particularly interested in the number of arrests, but more concerned about the situation on the ground. It does not make any difference if we have a big number of arrests and the situation remains bad and that is what we want to deal with.

DR. HUANG (in Cantonese):—Mr. Chairman, my last supplementary, right opposite my house, we have two hawkers and my friend sometimes asks me, are they licensed and when can you get rid of those two? I would like to ask Mrs. ELLIOTT a question if my friend comes up with the same question again, can I at least give him a date, 2 months later or 3 months later? Can we at least have a date for getting rid of the hawkers right in front of my door?

CHAIRMAN (in English): —So I understand that Dr. HUANG is concerned with the situation on the ground particularly in front of or nearby his house. (laughter)

MRS. ELLIOTT (in English):—Mr. Chairman, we try to remain neutral and deal with hawkers everywhere not just in front of Dr. HUANG's house.

MR. SZULKE (in English):—I would like to ask Mrs. ELLIOTT whether it is not a fact that quite often G.D. teams get hurt when they try to enforce the law?

MRS. ELLIOTT (in English):—Mr. Chairman, that is quite correct, and if you read the newspaper yesterday, you would see that the triads attacked our G.D. team members. When I said that we are not operating as we should, I am not putting the blame on the G.D. team members, we need to re-organize and we need police action on triads.

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Page 32 of 195 37 36 HONG KONG URBAN COUNCIL DR. HUANG (in Cantonese):—Mr. Chairman, Mrs. ELLIOTT mentioned in reply that the G.D. teams worked from 7.00 a.m. to 11.00 p.m. As far as Kowloon Tong is concerned, the hawkers are there from 7.00 a.m. to 9.00 a.m. and in the evening it is from 4.00 p.m. to 6.00 p.m., now why do not the G.D. teams go there everyday? My car passes by everyday and they are there all the time and in the Kowloon Tong, usually we have actually very scented trees, but now the smell created by such hawkers have given a very bad smell to the area, so could you possibly tell the G.D. teams about this, because every morning they provide breakfast and then in the late afternoon snacks, can you go there and do something? MRS. ELLIOTT (in English): Mr. Chairman, I am just as concerned as HUANG and other members about the unruliness of the hawkers especially cooked food hawkers; sometimes they make me sick because of the mess they make. The point is that the G.D. teams are unable to cope with the situation. We would like them to do what we would like them to do, and that is why the Working Party is trying to find a solution. I just have to keep on saying that, until we find the solution and put it into operation. I do not see how we can make very great progress, however much we try in the interim period but I would assure members that the Deputy Director often says the department has got his Working Group considering what we can do. I do think it will be the final solution, but he is looking into the possibility of redeploying, re-organizing and re-instructing because at the present time, G.D. teams do not seem to have anyone who is really instructing them but I hope they will soon have. DR. HUANG (in Cantonese):—Mr. Chairman, this reminds me of what happened about a decade ago. We have the Clean Hong Kong Campaign then, and before that we had some litter wardens and people responsible with cleansing and there was a total of about 100 to 200. They were very very efficient and every one of them have to be responsible for one arrest all day, and that is actually very easy and the rest of day they can take it easy. Now being the G.D. teams, we have over 300 people, if I am correct on figures, and we also have vehicles. There are a lot of M.T.R. stations, you do not have to take up static duty at those points, you know when they will be there so you go there at that particular time, and if you go around a number of times then they will simply disappear, so are we actually making use of our manpower? We are paying them and we are paying them through public money. There are people taking the M.T.R., when they come up they smell the nasty smell immediately and they are also taxpayers, so are we examining the situation well? Are we looking at the point and saying how we are making the best use of our resources? MRS. ELLIOTT (in English):—Mr. Chairman, I do agree we are not making the best use of our G.D. teams; I do not think that they are being deployed in the correct way and they are not controlling as they should control. But as I have said the point is that we are looking into the possibility of changing the system, because the system of arresting of hawkers is not helping. They are just chasing them round the streets. We are suggesting some different methods of dealing with them more quickly and dealing mainly with those who cause the greatest obstruction and making the biggest mess, and not touching those who are more or less orderly. CHAIRMAN (in English):—Perhaps it might interest members to know that on Page 7 of this month's report, i.e. the May report 1985 which has been tabled, the number of operations on Hong Kong Island is 427, in Kowloon is 4,137. The number of arrests on Hong Kong Island, this is also in connection with the hawker matters, is 2,529 and for Kowloon it was 6,098, it makes a total of 8,627 arrests. This is compared very favourably with 5,299 for May last year. MRS. ELLIOTT (in English): Mr. Chairman, if I could just say a few words, we are not at this point particularly interested in the number of arrests, but more concerned about the situation on the ground. It does not make any difference if we have a big number of arrests and the situation remains bad and that is what we want to deal with. DR. HUANG (in Cantonese):—Mr. Chairman, my last supplementary, right opposite my house, we have two hawkers and my friend sometimes asks me, are they licensed and when can you get rid of those two? I would like to ask Mrs. ELLIOTT a question if my friend comes up with the same question again, can I at least give him a date, 2 months later or 3 months later? Can we at least have a date for getting rid of the hawkers right in front of my door? CHAIRMAN (in English): —So I understand that Dr. HUANG is concerned with the situation on the ground particularly in front of or nearby his house. (laughter) MRS. ELLIOTT (in English):—Mr. Chairman, we try to remain neutral and deal with hawkers everywhere not just in front of Dr. HUANG's house. MR. SZULKE (in English):—I would like to ask Mrs. ELLIOTT whether it is not a fact that quite often G.D. teams get hurt when they try to enforce the law? MRS. ELLIOTT (in English):—Mr. Chairman, that is quite correct, and if you read the newspaper yesterday, you would see that the triads attacked our G.D. team members. When I said that we are not operating as we should, I am not putting the blame on the G.D. team members, we need to re-organize and we need police action on triads. Page 32 of 195

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We are suggesting some different methods of dealing with them more quickly and dealing mainly with those who cause the greatest obstruction and making the biggest mess, and not touching those who are more or less orderly, but I cannot leak out any evening it is from 4.00 p.m. to 6.00 p.m., now why do not the G.D. teams go the Tong is concerned, the hawkers are there from 7.00 a.m. to 9.00 a.m. and in the point is that we are looking into the possibility of changing the system, because they are there actually everyday? My car passes by everyday and they there all the time and in the Kowloon Tong, usually we have actually very scented trees, but now the smell created by such hawkers have given a very smell to the area, so could you possibly tell the G.D. teams about this, beca every morning they provide breakfast and then in the late afternoon snacks, a can you go there and do something? pes. MRS. ELLIOTT (in English): Mr. Chairman, I am just as concerned as HUANG and other members about the unruliness of the hawkers especia cooked food hawkers; sometimes they make me sick because of the mess the make. The point is that the G.D. teams are unable to cope with the situation. we would like them to do, and that is why the Working Party is trying to find solution. I just have to keep on saying that, until we find the solution and into operation. I do not see how we can make very great progress, however the interim period but I would assure members that the Deputy Director ofte department has got his Working Group considering what we can do. I do think it will be the final solution, but he is looking into the possibility redeploying, re-organizing and re-instructing because at the present time. G.D. teams do not seem to have anyone who is really instructing them but hope they will soon have. DR. HUANG (in Cantonese):-Mr. Chairman, this reminds me of what happen. about a decade ago. We have the Clean Hong Kong Campaign then, and befor that we had some litter wardens and people responsible with cleansing and the was a total of about 100 to 200. They were very very efficient and every until ». have to be responsible for one arrest all day, and that is actually very easy and u. rest of day they can take it easy. Now being the G.D. teams, we have over 3 people, if I am correct on figures, and we also have vehicles. There are a lo M.T.R. stations, you do not have to take up static duty at those points, you kn when they will be there so you go there at that particular time, and if you go arow. a number of times then they will simply disappear, so are we actually makingj use of our manpower? We are paying them and we are paying them through pub. money. There are people taking the M.T.R., when they come up they smell th nasty smell immediately and they are also taxpayers, so are we examining t situation well? Are we looking at the point and saying how we are making the br. use of our resources? MRS. ELLIOTT (in English):—Mr. Chairman, I do agree we are not making! best use of our G.D. teams; I do not think that they are being deployed in correct way and they are not controlling as they should control. But as I hav: secrets at this point. page CHAIRMAN (in English):-Perhaps it might interest members to know that on 7 of this month's report, i.e. the May report 1985 which has been tabled, the number of operations on Hong Kong Island is 427, in Kowloon is 4 137. The number of arrests on Hong Kong Island, this is also in connection with the hawker matters, is 2 529 and for Kowloon it was 6 098, it makes a total of 8 627 arrests. This is compared very favourably with 5 299 for May last year. MRS. ELLIOTT (in English): Mr. Chairman, if I could just say a few words, we are not at this point particularly interested in the number of arrests, but more concerned about the situation on the ground. It does not make any difference if we have a big number of arrests and the situation remains bad and that is what we want to deal with. DR. HUANG (in Cantonese):--Mr. Chairman, my last supplementary, right opposite my house, we have two hawkers and my friend sometimes asks me, are they licensed and when can you get rid of those two? I would like to ask Mrs. ELLIOTT a question if my friend comes up with the same question again, can I at least give him a date, 2 months later or 3 months later? Can we at least have a date for getting rid of the hawkers right in front of my door? CHAIRMAN (in English): -So I understand that Dr. HUANG is concerned with the situation on the ground particularly in front of or nearby his house. (laughter) MRS. ELLIOTT (in English):-Mr. Chairman, we try to remain neutral and deal with hawkers everywhere not just in front of Dr. HUANG's house. MR. SULKE (in English):—I would like to ask Mrs. ELLIOTT whether it is not a fact that quite often G.D. teams get hurt when they try to enforce the law? MRS. ELLIOTT (in English):-Mr. Chairman, that is quite correct, and if you read the newspaper yesterday, you would see that the triads attacked our G.D. team members. When I said that we are not operating as we should, I am not putting the blame on the G.D. team members, we need to re-organize and we need police action on triads.

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DR. HUANG (in Cantonese):—Mr. Chairman, Mrs. ELLIOTT mentioned in

reply that the G.D. teams worked from 7.00 a.m. to 11.00 p.m. As far as

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said the Deputy Director is setting up his group to try to re-instruct them. I think Dr. HUANG is right in the number of G.D. team members, but anyhow because we are certainly dissatisfied and the system of arresting of hawkers is be helping. They are just chasing them round the streets. We are suggesting some different methods of dealing with them more quickly and dealing mainly with those who cause the greatest obstruction and making the biggest mess, and not touching those who are more or less orderly, but I cannot leak out any

evening it is from 4.00 p.m. to 6.00 p.m., now why do not the G.D. teams go the Tong is concerned, the hawkers are there from 7.00 a.m. to 9.00 a.m. and in the point is that we are looking into the possibility of changing the system, because they are there actually everyday? My car passes by everyday and they there all the time and in the Kowloon Tong, usually we have actually very scented trees, but now the smell created by such hawkers have given a very smell to the area, so could you possibly tell the G.D. teams about this, beca every morning they provide breakfast and then in the late afternoon snacks, a

can you go there and do something?

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MRS. ELLIOTT (in English): Mr. Chairman, I am just as concerned as HUANG and other members about the unruliness of the hawkers especia cooked food hawkers; sometimes they make me sick because of the mess the make. The point is that the G.D. teams are unable to cope with the situation. we would like them to do, and that is why the Working Party is trying to find solution. I just have to keep on saying that, until we find the solution and into operation. I do not see how we can make very great progress, however the interim period but I would assure members that the Deputy Director ofte department has got his Working Group considering what we can do. I do think it will be the final solution, but he is looking into the possibility redeploying, re-organizing and re-instructing because at the present time. G.D. teams do not seem to have anyone who is really instructing them but hope they will soon have.

DR. HUANG (in Cantonese):-Mr. Chairman, this reminds me of what happen. about a decade ago. We have the Clean Hong Kong Campaign then, and befor that we had some litter wardens and people responsible with cleansing and the was a total of about 100 to 200. They were very very efficient and every until ». have to be responsible for one arrest all day, and that is actually very easy and u. rest of day they can take it easy. Now being the G.D. teams, we have over 3 people, if I am correct on figures, and we also have vehicles. There are a lo M.T.R. stations, you do not have to take up static duty at those points, you kn when they will be there so you go there at that particular time, and if you go arow. a number of times then they will simply disappear, so are we actually makingj use of our manpower? We are paying them and we are paying them through pub. money. There are people taking the M.T.R., when they come up they smell th nasty smell immediately and they are also taxpayers, so are we examining t situation well? Are we looking at the point and saying how we are making the br. use of our resources?

MRS. ELLIOTT (in English):—Mr. Chairman, I do agree we are not making! best use of our G.D. teams; I do not think that they are being deployed in correct way and they are not controlling as they should control. But as I hav:

secrets at this point.

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CHAIRMAN (in English):-Perhaps it might interest members to know that on 7 of this month's report, i.e. the May report 1985 which has been tabled, the number of operations on Hong Kong Island is 427, in Kowloon is 4 137. The number of arrests on Hong Kong Island, this is also in connection with the hawker matters, is 2 529 and for Kowloon it was 6 098, it makes a total of 8 627 arrests. This is compared very favourably with 5 299 for May last year.

DR. HUANG (in Cantonese):--Mr. Chairman, my last supplementary, right opposite my house, we have two hawkers and my friend sometimes asks me, are they licensed and when can you get rid of those two? I would like to ask Mrs. ELLIOTT a question if my friend comes up with the same question again, can I at least give him a date, 2 months later or 3 months later? Can we at least have a date for getting rid of the hawkers right in front of my door?

CHAIRMAN (in English): -So I understand that Dr. HUANG is concerned with the situation on the ground particularly in front of or nearby his house. (laughter)

MRS. ELLIOTT (in English):-Mr. Chairman, we try to remain neutral and deal with hawkers everywhere not just in front of Dr. HUANG's house.

MR. SULKE (in English):—I would like to ask Mrs. ELLIOTT whether it is not a fact that quite often G.D. teams get hurt when they try to enforce the law?

MRS. ELLIOTT (in English):-Mr. Chairman, that is quite correct, and if you read the newspaper yesterday, you would see that the triads attacked our G.D. team members. When I said that we are not operating as we should, I am not putting the blame on the G.D. team members, we need to re-organize and we need police action on triads.

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