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CHAIRMAN (in English):-Mr SHUM will clarify that matter too.

MR SHUM (in English):-Mr Chairman, the hawkers can only trade in the hawker permitted area and not outside of that area. Now, this area with a length of about 25 feet to be degazetted is in front of the house, but for other parts of the hawker permitted area, hawkers can still trade there.

CHAIRMAN (in English):-One moment please. Miss YEUNG, if you wish to speak you may do so.

MISS YEUNG (in English):-Thank you, not necessary now.

MR C. K. CHAN (in Cantonese):-Mr Chairman, according to the resolution of the Select Committee, that part of Tung Choi Street, that means in front of House 61, Tung Choi Street, will be degazetted. We were given the map. I wonder if Mr SHUM, as Chairman of the Street Traders Select Committee, could table the map to Members, not only to Members of the Select Com- mittee, so that Members will know exactly where the site in front of House 61 is. I hope this could be done.

CHAIRMAN (in English):-Would you likewise like to clarify that point, Mr SHUM?

MR SHUM (in English):-Mr Chairman, when we discussed this in Standing Committee, there was a sketch plan in the agenda of the Standing Committee.

CHAIRMAN (in English):-I can confirm that there was a sketch plan of the area attached to the paper issued to the Street Traders Select Committee as well as to the Standing Committee.

MRS E. ELLIOTT (in English):-Mr Chairman, I would like to ask the Chairman of this Select Committee to clarify because Tung Choi Street is a hawker permitted area, it is run on the first come first served basis, but in the motion, Mr SHUM says that hawkers using this particular area, that area in front of House No 61, may continue to carry out business in the remaining part of Tung Choi Street. Is Mr SHUM promising them a site, or is it still first come first served?

MR SHUM (in English):-Mr Chairman, according to the Council's policy, we have adopted the policy of 'first come first served, but I think there would be about 10 hawkers being affected and there is still adequate place for them to trade in Tung Choi Street.

CHAIRMAN (in English):-If there are no other points of clarification, and as the Chair has already offered Members the opportunity to speak and

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Members have not taken it up, may I then ask Mr SHUM if he wishes to exercise his right of reply now?

MR SHUM (in English):-Mr Chairman, I think many Members of the Urban Council are very much concerned with the hawker permitted areas, but if we discontinue the hawker permitted areas, we have to think where to keep the present legal hawkers. If we want to resite the legal hawkers, we should have more land available for building markets and bazaars and to induce the illegal hawkers to join other trades by Labour Department efforts and I hope with the cooperation of the other departments, we may solve the hawker problem eventually.

The question was put.

The motion was carried with 20 votes for and 1 abstention. (The Chairman did not vote.)

ADJOURNMENT--4.25pm

CHAIRMAN (in English):-Now, before we adjourn, there are two Members who will be leaving us on 31st March. First, Dr P. C. WONG, who has been a Member of this Council since April 1973. He is Vice-Chairman of the Food Hygiene Select Committee. During his period of service, he has shown un- failing courtesy to his colleagues and has proved himself a loyal Member of the Council. Mr Henry LUK has been a Member of this Council since April 1975 and, in the debates in which he has taken part, Members have appreciated his wit and his practical approach to our problems. I am sure Members will want to wish both our friends and colleagues success and happiness in all they do in the future. Council now stands adjourned until Tuesday, 10 April 1979, at 4.00pm.

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