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MR. H. M. G. FORSGATE, CHAIRMAN OF THE WORKS PLANNING SELECT COMMITTEE, replied as follows (in English):—

Under Section 25(e) of the Urban Council Ordinance, the Council may accept gifts or donations, whether of property or otherwise, or whether subject to any special trust or not.

There is no set policy on acceptance as each offer has to be considered on its merits. An offer might, for example, include conditions which cannot be met or are unacceptable.

(Mr. B. A. BERNACCHI left the meeting at this point.)

(3) MR. HILTON CHEONG-LEEN asked the following question (in English):-

To what extent is the Urban Council responsible for ensuring that Urban Council playgrounds are not under strong triad or quasi-triad influence, and what steps is the Urban Council taking to reduce any such triad or quasi-triad influence by the organizing of activities in such playgrounds, apart from what is being done by the Education Department?

MR. KENNETH T. C. LO, CHAIRMAN OF THE RECREATION AND AMENITIES SELECT COMMITTEE, replied as follows (in English):-

The Urban Council is of course interested to see that the pleasure grounds it provides for the benefit of the public are not taken over by Triad or other strong-arm gangs. Where there is any criminal offence, this is the responsibility of the Police to handle. Enforcing the Pleasure Grounds Bylaws is a matter for Urban Services Department staff, with assistance from the Police where necessary. Organizing activities in pleasure grounds is certainly one way of helping to combat Triad influence. I'm sure Mr. CHEONG-LEEN must be aware of the efforts made by the Recreation and Sports Service of the Education Department to promote activities in the Council's playgrounds and of similar work in play leadership by various voluntary agencies and the Social Welfare Department.

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MR. HILTON CHEONG-LEEN (in English):- Mr. Chairman, does the Urban Council have any organized activities in the Urban Council Playgrounds. If not, can the subject be referred to the Recreation and Amenities Select Committee for its study of such possibility, in addition to the existing activities of the Recreation and Sports Services of the Education Department and other voluntary agencies?

MR. LO (in English):- Mr. Chairman, I think I have indicated in my answer that at present the Urban Council does not provide any such organizing activities in the case of active sports, which are looked after by the Recreation and Sports Service of the Education Department. They have organized football, basket-ball and other games. In the playgrounds, there are various Play-leadership schemes organized by various voluntary agencies and the Social Welfare Department. The Urban Council, as such, does not take any part in organizing such activities. We will certainly consider and we may consider changing the policy as Mr. CHEONG-LEEN suggested.

MR. CHEONG-LEEN (in English):- In clarification I have in mind the Select Committee reviewing if there are any gaps in which the Urban Council can provide a useful service in organizing different activities. I am certainly satisfied with the replies given by Mr. Lo.

MR. PETER C. K. CHAN (in English):- Mr. Chairman, may I ask the Chairman of the Recreation and Amenities Select Committee whether the Department or the Council keeps any record on how many Play-leadership Schemes are being run in our pleasure grounds, which playgrounds have Play-leadership schemes, whether we would like to take some more interest in the not so successful Play-leadership schemes and whether some playgrounds which have not got these Play-leadership schemes should invite the voluntary agencies to establish such schemes there with our assistance?

MR. LO (in English):- Mr. Chairman, the Department has a record of various play-leadership schemes which are organized by the agencies. I do not have this record at the moment, but I am sure they are available.

MR. CHAN (in English):- Does the Chairman have any objections to collecting this information and circulating it at least to the Members of the Recreation and Amenities Select Committee so that we are aware of such arrangements in the playgrounds concerned?

MR. LO (in English):- Mr. Chairman, I will ask the Department to do this.

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HONG KONG URBAN COUNCIL MR. H. M. G. FORSGATE, CHAIRMAN OF THE WORKS PLANNING SELECT COMMITTEE, replied as follows (in English):— Under Section 25(e) of the Urban Council Ordinance, the Council may accept gifts or donations, whether of property or otherwise, or whether subject to any special trust or not. There is no set policy on acceptance as each offer has to be considered on its merits. An offer might, for example, include conditions which cannot be met or are unacceptable. (Mr. B. A. BERNACCHI left the meeting at this point.) (3) MR. HILTON CHEONG-LEEN asked the following question (in English):- To what extent is the Urban Council responsible for ensuring that Urban Council playgrounds are not under strong triad or quasi-triad influence, and what steps is the Urban Council taking to reduce any such triad or quasi-triad influence by the organizing of activities in such playgrounds, apart from what is being done by the Education Department? MR. KENNETH T. C. LO, CHAIRMAN OF THE RECREATION AND AMENITIES SELECT COMMITTEE, replied as follows (in English):- The Urban Council is of course interested to see that the pleasure grounds it provides for the benefit of the public are not taken over by Triad or other strong-arm gangs. Where there is any criminal offence, this is the responsibility of the Police to handle. Enforcing the Pleasure Grounds Bylaws is a matter for Urban Services Department staff, with assistance from the Police where necessary. Organizing activities in pleasure grounds is certainly one way of helping to combat Triad influence. I'm sure Mr. CHEONG-LEEN must be aware of the efforts made by the Recreation and Sports Service of the Education Department to promote activities in the Council's playgrounds and of similar work in play leadership by various voluntary agencies and the Social Welfare Department. HONG KONG URBAN COUNCIL Page 24 of 135 17 MR. HILTON CHEONG-LEEN (in English):- Mr. Chairman, does the Urban Council have any organized activities in the Urban Council Playgrounds. If not, can the subject be referred to the Recreation and Amenities Select Committee for its study of such possibility, in addition to the existing activities of the Recreation and Sports Services of the Education Department and other voluntary agencies? MR. LO (in English):- Mr. Chairman, I think I have indicated in my answer that at present the Urban Council does not provide any such organizing activities in the case of active sports, which are looked after by the Recreation and Sports Service of the Education Department. They have organized football, basket-ball and other games. In the playgrounds, there are various Play-leadership schemes organized by various voluntary agencies and the Social Welfare Department. The Urban Council, as such, does not take any part in organizing such activities. We will certainly consider and we may consider changing the policy as Mr. CHEONG-LEEN suggested. MR. CHEONG-LEEN (in English):- In clarification I have in mind the Select Committee reviewing if there are any gaps in which the Urban Council can provide a useful service in organizing different activities. I am certainly satisfied with the replies given by Mr. Lo. MR. PETER C. K. CHAN (in English):- Mr. Chairman, may I ask the Chairman of the Recreation and Amenities Select Committee whether the Department or the Council keeps any record on how many Play-leadership Schemes are being run in our pleasure grounds, which playgrounds have Play-leadership schemes, whether we would like to take some more interest in the not so successful Play-leadership schemes and whether some playgrounds which have not got these Play-leadership schemes should invite the voluntary agencies to establish such schemes there with our assistance? MR. LO (in English):- Mr. Chairman, the Department has a record of various play-leadership schemes which are organized by the agencies. I do not have this record at the moment, but I am sure they are available. MR. CHAN (in English):- Does the Chairman have any objections to collecting this information and circulating it at least to the Members of the Recreation and Amenities Select Committee so that we are aware of such arrangements in the playgrounds concerned? MR. LO (in English):- Mr. Chairman, I will ask the Department to do this.

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16 HONG KONG URBAN COUNCIL MR. H. M. G. FORSGATE, CHAIRMAN OF THE WORKS PLANNING Select CommITTEE, replied as follows (in English):— Under Section 25(e) of the Urban Council Ordinance, the Council may accept gifts or donations, whether of property or otherwise, or whether subject to any special trust or not. There is no set policy on acceptance as each offer has to be considered on its merits. An offer might, for example, include conditions which cannot be met or are unaccept- able. (Mr. B. A. BERNACCHI left the meeting at this point.) (3) MR. HILTON CHEONG-LEEN asked the following question (in English):- To what extent is the Urban Council responsible for ensuring that Urban Council playgrounds are not under strong triad or quasi-triad influence, and what steps is the Urban Council taking to reduce any such triad or quasi-triad influence by the organizing of activities in such play- grounds, apart from what is being done by the Education Department? MR. KENNETH T. C. Lo, CHAIRMAN OF THE RECREATION AND AMENITIES SELECT COMMITTEE, replied as follows (in English):- The Urban Council is of course interested to see that the pleasure grounds it provides for the benefit of the public are not taken over by Triad or other strong-arm gangs. Where there is any criminal offence, this is the respon- sibility of the Police to handle. Enforcing the Pleasure Grounds Bylaws is a matter for Urban Services Depart- ment staff, with assistance from the Police where necessary. Organizing activities in pleasure grounds is certainly one way of helping to combat Triad influence. I'm sure Mr. CHEONG-LEEN must be aware of the efforts made by the Recreation and Sports Service of the Educa- tion Department to promote activities in the Council's playgrounds and of similar work in playleadership by various voluntary agencies and the Social Welfare Department. HONG KONG URBAN COUNCIL Page 24 of 135 17 MR. HILTON CHEONG-LEEN (in English):-Mr. Chairman, does the Urban Council have any organized activities in the Urban Council Playgrounds. If not, can the subject be referred to the Recreation and Amenities Select Committee for its study of such possibility, in addition to the existing activities of the Recreation and Sports Services of the Education Department and other voluntary agencies? MR. LO (in English): -Mr. Chairman, I think I have indicated in my answer that at present the Urban Council does not provide any such organizing activities in the case of active sports, which are looked after by the Recreation and Sports Service of the Education Depart- ment. They have organized football, basket-ball and other games. In the playgrounds, there are various Play-leadership schemes organized by various voluntary agencies and the Social Welfare Department. The Urban Council, as such, does not take any part in organizing such activities. We will certainly consider and we may consider changing the policy as Mr. CHEONG-LEEN suggested. MR. CHEONG-LEEN (in English): —In clarification I have in mind the Select Committee reviewing if there are any gaps in which the Urban Council can provide a useful service in organizing different activities. I am certainly satisfied with the replies given by Mr. Lo. MR. PETER C. K. CHAN (in English):-Mr. Chairman, may I ask the Chairman of the Recreation and Amenities Select Committee whether the Department or the Council keeps any record on how many Play-leadership Schemes are being run in our pleasure grounds, which playgrounds have Play-leadership schemes, whether we would like to take some more interest in the not so successful Play-leadership schemes and whether some playgrounds which have not got these Play-leadership schemes should invite the voluntary agencies to establish such schemes there with our assistance? MR. LO (in English):—Mr. Chairman, the Department has a record of various play-leadership schemes which are organized by the agencies. I do not have this record at the moment, but I am sure they are available. MR. CHAN (in English):-Does the Chairman have any objections to collecting this information and circulating it at least to the Members of the Recreation and Amenities Select Committee so that we are aware of such arrangements in the playgrounds concerned? MR. Lo (in English):-Mr. Chairman, I will ask the Department to do this.

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MR. H. M. G. FORSGATE, CHAIRMAN OF THE WORKS PLANNING Select CommITTEE, replied as follows (in English):—

Under Section 25(e) of the Urban Council Ordinance, the Council may accept gifts or donations, whether of property or otherwise, or whether subject to any special trust or not.

There is no set policy on acceptance as each offer has to be considered on its merits. An offer might, for example, include conditions which cannot be met or are unaccept- able.

(Mr. B. A. BERNACCHI left the meeting at this point.)

(3) MR. HILTON CHEONG-LEEN asked the following question (in English):-

To what extent is the Urban Council responsible for ensuring that Urban Council playgrounds are not under strong triad or quasi-triad influence, and what steps is the Urban Council taking to reduce any such triad or quasi-triad influence by the organizing of activities in such play- grounds, apart from what is being done by the Education Department?

MR. KENNETH T. C. Lo, CHAIRMAN OF THE RECREATION AND AMENITIES SELECT COMMITTEE, replied as follows (in English):-

The Urban Council is of course interested to see that the pleasure grounds it provides for the benefit of the public are not taken over by Triad or other strong-arm gangs. Where there is any criminal offence, this is the respon- sibility of the Police to handle. Enforcing the Pleasure Grounds Bylaws is a matter for Urban Services Depart- ment staff, with assistance from the Police where necessary. Organizing activities in pleasure grounds is certainly one way of helping to combat Triad influence. I'm sure Mr. CHEONG-LEEN must be aware of the efforts made by the Recreation and Sports Service of the Educa- tion Department to promote activities in the Council's playgrounds and of similar work in playleadership by various voluntary agencies and the Social Welfare Department.

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MR. HILTON CHEONG-LEEN (in English):-Mr. Chairman, does the Urban Council have any organized activities in the Urban Council Playgrounds. If not, can the subject be referred to the Recreation and Amenities Select Committee for its study of such possibility, in addition to the existing activities of the Recreation and Sports Services of the Education Department and other voluntary agencies?

MR. LO (in English): -Mr. Chairman, I think I have indicated in my answer that at present the Urban Council does not provide any such organizing activities in the case of active sports, which are looked after by the Recreation and Sports Service of the Education Depart- ment. They have organized football, basket-ball and other games. In the playgrounds, there are various Play-leadership schemes organized by various voluntary agencies and the Social Welfare Department. The Urban Council, as such, does not take any part in organizing such activities. We will certainly consider and we may consider changing the policy as Mr. CHEONG-LEEN suggested.

MR. CHEONG-LEEN (in English): —In clarification I have in mind the Select Committee reviewing if there are any gaps in which the Urban Council can provide a useful service in organizing different activities. I am certainly satisfied with the replies given by Mr. Lo.

MR. PETER C. K. CHAN (in English):-Mr. Chairman, may I ask the Chairman of the Recreation and Amenities Select Committee whether the Department or the Council keeps any record on how many Play-leadership Schemes are being run in our pleasure grounds, which playgrounds have Play-leadership schemes, whether we would like to take some more interest in the not so successful Play-leadership schemes and whether some playgrounds which have not got these Play-leadership schemes should invite the voluntary agencies to establish such schemes there with our assistance?

MR. LO (in English):—Mr. Chairman, the Department has a record of various play-leadership schemes which are organized by the agencies. I do not have this record at the moment, but I am sure they are available.

MR. CHAN (in English):-Does the Chairman have any objections to collecting this information and circulating it at least to the Members of the Recreation and Amenities Select Committee so that we are aware of such arrangements in the playgrounds concerned?

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