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the Hawker Select Committee could look further into this aspect of having more bazaar roofs self-financed by the hawkers on a joint basis.

(Mr. F. K. HU left at this point.)

In any event, the proposals contained in this motion ought to be carefully considered in turn by the Hawker Select Committee, the Finance Select Committee, and the Council's Standing Committee of the Whole.

MRS. ELLIOTT (In English):-Mr. Chairman, may I ask in clarifica. tion; would Mr. Hilton CHEONG-LEEN please clarify these figures. You say $12.6 million as if it was for roofs and $330,000 for the other things. I am sure you must mean the first figure refers to all bazaars, and the second as only one. Otherwise you could not get all the bazaars paved and drained for $330,000.

MR. CHEONG-LEEN (In English): --According to the figures I have for all the bazaars with a life-expectancy of one year or more, the cost for providing water supply would be $32,000, electricity $20,000, surfac ing and drainage $278,866, and so this is in the region of $330,000.

MISS YEUNG (In Cantonese):-Mr. Chairman, I also support the Motion because, as Mr. BERNACCHI mentioned, people who have stalls outside a store are not genuine hawkers and those who need the stall have a difficult time to make their livelihood, and people who have money to open a shop, and yet occupy a stall, should not have it.

Secondly, about the supply of electricity, especially in the poor men's nightclub, if we allow them to operate at night and yet not provide them with electricity I feel this is a pitiful state of affairs and is very dangerous. As mentioned by Mrs. ELLIOTT, if they use pressure lamps it is very dangerous, or if they try to get electricity from nearby houses the wires that they themselves installed are dangerous. If they use their own generators, the danger is all the greater and there may be racketeers who buy generators and distribute electricity to hawkers and collect high rates. Therefore, why should not we let them carry out this jointly? It is better for this Council to plan for them. And if this is allowed why do we not let them erect their own lamp post?

As to water, it is essential for them to wash their wares and utensils and we should install standpipes for them. During my recent visit to Kwun Tong, I found that within the area of many hawkers they have their standpipes. But for others, they are not allowed to do so and I do not understand the reason behind this.

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MR. BERNACCHI (In English):-On a point of order, several Members have, I think, supported in general the proposal to refer the matter back to the Hawkers Select Committee, but no one has actually seconded that Motion.

CHAIRMAN (In English):-It's not really so. Mr. TSIN seconded it immediately, for all practical purposes.

MR. BERNACCHI (In English):—I think Mr. TSIN only expressed support for the proposal.

CHAIRMAN (In English):-May I say that the Chair will clarify the position after everybody, who has not spoken and who wishes to speak, has exercised his or her right to take the floor. Does anybody wish to speak who has not spoken?

MR. C. K. CHAN (In English):-Mr. Chairman, another point of clarification. A Motion has been moved, seconded and debated, and then another Motion has been moved, vaguely perhaps as disagreed by Mr. BERNACCHI, and seconded. Which motion are we going to put the vote first and decided, and then which motion are we going to speak on? There should be one motion on the floor that we speak to.

CHAIRMAN (In English):-Mr. CHAN, I am afraid that, as Chairman of Standing Orders Select Committee, you could not possibly have done homework. You would have realized, first and foremost, that Mr. your MACKENZIE's proposal is not an amendment at all. His is a procedural motion under Standing Order 20 Section (16), Sub-section (j), as I said earlier on. Now the Chairman, after giving everybody a chance to speak, will tell the Council what the position is. You must not try to conduct the meeting from the side-lines, no matter how much I may appreciate your doing so.

Before I explain the position, Mrs. ELLIOTT will naturally exercise her right to reply. Now, since no Member has indicated a wish to speak further on this motion would you please do so if you wish.

MR. C. K. CHAN (In English):-On a point of clarification, when I rose to ask about a point I was not querying the chair. I was asking for some clarification. It is not a question of querying. I think the record will show it will probably be the case and I am grateful for your pointing out that point. But it seems that there is some misunder- standing that I was querying your authority.

CHAIRMAN (In English):-The Chair accepts your explanation. Now, I would ask again, does any Member wish to speak before I

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